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  • riche1riche1 Posts: 1
    What happened to County Line Lexus in North Miami? This once great dealership has relocated and is TERRIBLE, RUDE, and just doesn't seem to get it.I've been going to County Line Lexus for 14 years. The service used to be great. I'll never go back after today. After never making a damage claim in all 14 years on my car I pulled in and the lady who approached my car started getting on her hands and looking at the car at every possible angle. At first I laughed until about 10 minutes later when she still was "crawling" around the car and marking almost non existant specks on her sheet. My car is almost perfect. Yeah perhaps a scuff or two but this lady was on a mission. Finally, I had enough. What the hell kind of treatment is this. I brought the car in for a major service -- thousands easily. But these folks were hell bent and making an enemy out of this old customer. How dumb. I finally just jumped in the car and said adios to my old friends at County Line Lexus. What a horrible new way of doing business!!! Don't make the same mistake. Dollars never were an issue with me, decent treatment always shows class. R. Evans
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  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,860
    Why was she inspecting the car in such a way? Just curious, as I haven`t ever had that happen anywhere with any type of car...Tony
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 875
    they just had to pay a claim for damage that was suspicious at best. The management puts in a rule that every vehicle must be thoroughly inspected for prior damage. Anyone caught not doing a thorough prior damage check will be terminated immediately. She was just doing her job. No reason to get offended.
    When management calms down from having to pay claims, the rules will slack a bit. That's how business goes.
  • Part of the Tonkin group, dealer was officially opened today. Huge dealership, possibly one of the largest in Oregon. We had mayor of Wilsonville (he cut the red ribbon), chamber of Commerce, Ron Tonkin and his brother, and several heads of Audi divisions including president of Audi USA attending. 500+ people, full catering one guitar group, one DJ, almost all the models parked in the brand new service department. Sales people all over the place. Had opportunity to chat with Audi's president and associates, praised them for engineering, politely suggested they reconsider offering Quattro with Diesel engines for the NW states. Liked the Q5 the best.
    A pity Audi currently ranks 2nd from bottom for reliability on Consumer Report's latest auto survey. I didn't bring that up :-).
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  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 2,556
    What happened to this board (wind blowing through broken/boarded-up windows, tumbleweed blowing across the path)?'s deserted here......(owl hooting, shutters flapping).
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    The Recession Gang rode through town. All the good folks left.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,299
    All the good folks left.

    Along with the rest of us, many are over discussing their conquests in the stock market.

    Cars, who needs stinkin' luxury cars?

    Apparently, not this group.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Posts: 5,095
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  • What specifically makes diesel fuel "dirty" as many posts contained herein state? Diesel fuel in the U. S. and Canada and Europe no longer has any more than 15 parts per million (virtually zero) of sulfur in the fuel. It's illegal for any U.S. refining and marketing company to produce diesel fuel containing more than that. Diesel fuel about 5 to 10 years ago had anywhere from 1,000 to 5,000 ppm. Every refinery in the U. S. has converted to ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel. Unless I'm missing something, I would like to know what remains in diesel fuel that would make people still consider it "dirty". Perhaps one of the chemical engineers from a refining company can enlighten us more.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    It does make more of a mess if you happen to drip some on your hands or shoes because it is closer to oil and less volatile. Other than that, many people still remember driving behind a truck or bus and nearly choking on the black cloud. True, that normally doesn't happen anymore, but memories are long. I truely wish more of the top performing diesel engines available elsewhere made it to the USA...I waited over a year for a promised BMW model to find it is likely still at least 18-months (or more) away. Broke down and bought the gasoline version.
  • tmakogontmakogon Posts: 74
    The diesel engines work at higher pressures. Gasoline engine pre-ignition compression is 150-200 psi. Diesel compression is 350-600 psi. Working under higher pressure, diesels are noisier and slower. This higher pressure also requires a heavier and stronger diesel engine block. That's why you don't see diesels in Formula or luxury cars - too heavy, lower RPMs, and more contaminants. Diesel is mainly used in tractors, boats and locomotives, where weight and emissions are not a key issue. Diesels do though generate more power from the same mass of fuel.

    Besides the higher pressure there's a different combuston cycle and release from diesel of nitrogen oxides NOx, which are toxic and reportedly linked to sudden infant death syndrome. NOx emissions led Benz to use urea injection to get diesel exhaust to pass emissions regulations, marketed as Bluetec. BMW responded with Advanced Diesel. I think I only saw one or two Bluetecs on the streets. This different combustion often leads to soot, smoke and contaminants in the exhaust and deposits buildup in the engine.

    Other than that a gasoline engine burning oil can smoke even more.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    I've been looking at a bunch of cars and I need some help. Maybe even a shrink. I live non-metro (ie. West of I495) New England and have the itch to buy a Euro sedan. I need some room to stretch on a trip to Maine or Western New York and AWD to handle winter. My present fleet has the bases covered (a late model pickup for snow days; a Porsche Cayenne for putzing around town) but I'd like to get a snazzier set of wheels for long trips and maybe nights on the town. Here are some of the cars I've been looking at. I'd welcome your feedback.

    1) S550: too much baggage, trying too hard
    2) E Class: a little boring, a little steriotypical
    3) A8: bland exterior styling
    4) A6: good pricing, last year for V8
    5) Porsche Pamamera: good pricing, a little small for a trip to Buffalo
    6) LR4 : the Section 179 makes it a very good deal for a biz owner
    7) 7 Series: not that pricey if you order with 'minimal options" , OK handling with short wheel base and ARS , but long term reliability?
    8) Lexus: Yawn
    9) Jag: no AWD means I don't get home at night
    8) 5 Series: OK but can get pricey if you check the boxes like "leather" (imagine a car for this MSRP with leather as an extra cost option!)
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    edited April 2011
    1, 2, 7, 8 BMW and Mercedes are great but ooze "new money"/trying to impress all the wrong people.

    Audi makes one good car. And it's hideously expensive. Not good for trips, really.

    The Panamera is missing something. You want to love it. But it's missing something that you can't quite put your finger on. It lacks that "awesome" factor that say, an Aston Martin has.

    Lexus is prozac on 4 wheels. It's what you drive when you can't drive anything else because of your failing reflexes. Well, that or a Buick. There's a reason that it's called the "Japanese Buick".

    - The Cadillac CTS is designed in Germany, so it's kind of a nice spot as it's "American" but drives like a 5 series, or darn close to it. The CTS wagon is also a nice option.

    - Infiniti's upper end sedan is quite nice - the only thing out of Japan that I'd recommend in fact in this segment. The EX is basically a wagon version of the G. It's very nice and one of the few crossovers that I can stomach. Infiniti is neck and neck with Toyota in reliability, which is rare for most premium brands. And the red they offer for it has to be seen to be believed as it's just the right shade to look classy. If you're sick of tan, white, and beige, it's a nice alternative. There's also the G37 sedan.

    All you really need is the Journey AWD of the G or EX plus nav - forget the rest of the options. $40K and it looks and drives fantastic. The same applies to the CTS - get the Luxury AWD version with nav and that's it.

    If all of that is too small, the M56x is better than the S class IMO. It's a real sleeper, though - most people simply don't know how good it is. And it's tons cheaper as year-end discounts are quite a bit steeper than Mercedes ever offers. You have Mercedes fit and finish, Japanese reliability, and the road feel of a big Jaguar or similar. It impressed me a lot and made me wish I was a LOT richer so I could afford one ;) (test drove a CPO one and was amazed it's on nobody's radar) - niti-m56x-no-one-s-second-fiddle
    Not Edmunds, (heh) but a great review. The best part is that the AWD is rear wheel biased, so it gets out of your way when the roads are good.

    EDIT - note - as much as I went on about the M, I still would personally get the CTS as it's plenty fast and is much sportier when you want it to be.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,636
    Interesting you would choose the CTS. I agree the Infinity would be an excellent choice for BIG. My personal choice would be the G but would be tempted for the bigger brother as well.

    I wouldn't do the Caddy just because of the bailout. Not until all accounts are settled do I ever even think about a GM. The history still bristles the back of my neck and it's going on 2 years since Government Motors was born. :mad:

    Anyway, good luck BIG. I would also choose the A8 (CPO to save cash) because it is understated but capable just because the fit and finish is top class and the interior is a nice place to be on long rides.

  • dssxxxxdssxxxx Posts: 69
    I thought this was "luxury" lounge.

    CTS does not even make the list.

    You all have your opinions but I have owned at least 1/2 the above and presently have 2009 A8L. Best car (even over the S550) I have ever owned.

    Would buy another in a year but they have lowered the height and being 6'4" my head brushes the roof. Looks like S600 for me.

    Now back to the want something in the same class but roomy and all the other BS..........ES350. Owned 2 - LS430's and 1 - 460. The ES surprised me when I bought the SC-430 in for service.

    Again, just MHO.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The ES350 is FWD, though, and so it is just a fancy Buick. It's nice and all, but "nice" is a word I never hope to have to use to describe anything that I own.

    I think the upper-end CTS with the direct injection engine squeaks into the same league as the E class and the 5 series. It's not real "luxury", but neither are they, really. There is some overlap.

    It's just that most everything large and luxury just puts me to sleep or is stupidly expensive. The M is an exception.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 2,556
    edited April 2011
    If I were to get a new "M", I'd only lease it, not buy it. The resale on Infinitis are poor (I've taken a beating on each I've owned), and one tires of Infinitis quickly. Keep in mind that in these times of rising oil prices, Infinitis burn a lot of gasoline.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,636
    The poor economy and resale (in comparison with their equals) are concerns with Infinity.

    But the A8 also is marginally worse in resale vs. Merc and Bimmer.

    The thing is, I keep liking that understated presentation with the A8. But the A-7 might be worth the wait...



  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Cool. An Audi 5 Series ;)

    Of course, if money is an issue, just get a CPO one. You can get a new S550 4Matic (as an example) for $85K and a CPO one 3 years old with less than 30K on it for $55K. Mercedes has one of the best CPO programs as well, so it's really a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

    I also hear word that Porsche will have a coupe version of the Panamera. The bits and pieces that have been leaked and the mock-ups and drawings that people have come across suggest that it will be a very beautiful car. They'll probably resurrect the 928 name as well.
    (I just got everyone reading this a bit excited - heh)

    I guess it would be like making a 4 door Mustang. Certain cars just look wrong with 4 doors.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    I have a 2006 M35x and am replacing it with a BMW 535ix GT this month (pick it up in Munich the end of this month). I found the M noisy on a long trip even after I spent nearly $1k on a shop to install Dynamat all over the interior. The 2011 models supposedly have active noise cancellation, and that may help. I didn't look at them since the old one just had enough headroom, and the new ones are lower. The newer ones have more gears in the tranny, so may also rev lower at cruise, but mine ran over 3000rpm at 70mph, which may be fine on a short trip, but got really old on a long one.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Thanks for your thoughtful comments. You are right. The Audi lineup doesn't appeal much to the new money crowd which is fine with me.

    The A7 is now on the ground and looks gorgeous. Idon't think that the gold chain crowd will ever want to drive one. Now if Audi can get their residuals up, a biz lease on an A7 would be just the thing: a little style, AWD to get home with in January, a hatch back to throw my gymn bag into in the AM, etc. All without teeing off the troops.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    That A7 is going to finally give the BMW 5 series something to have bad drams about at night ;)

    It looks fantastic, the interior, well, it's Audi - enough said, and it's getting rave reviews. I expect Top Gear or Fifth Gear to review it very shortly.
  • dssxxxxdssxxxx Posts: 69
    Looks great..............exactly the same as my A8 except the volume control is on the right instead of the left.............:-)

    Too bad they lowered the height 3".
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    edited April 2011
    Perhaps a better comparison would be kind of like how the Jaguar XK is essentially essentially a upper-middle class man's Aston Martin. ie - This shares a lot of DNA with the Panamera. But for less money, less snobbish factor, and without the hideous rear end. It's a win-win-win situation.

    If you think of it in this light, it's clear why it's 3 inches lower and looks like it does. Now Audi has two world-class cars - and this one isn't priced at stupidly high levels like the R8 is.

    Oh - Top Gear's review of it says that the ride is pretty much not a factor. In a good way, that is. It does everything except for make you excited on track days/have that supercar rush. Myself, I love that sort of understated and yet supremely confident feel that you get from cars like this. Volvo used to be the epitome of this type of ride years ago, and for me, that's the right balance between performance and luxury. But I suspect that a slightly louder exhaust kit would solve it if you really want to make some noise. :P
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Those 3" are exactly the reason why I ended up with a BMW 535 GT, it was one of the few cars that actually had some decent headroom. I'll put up with that rather than having to cock my head into the sunroof well!
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    edited April 2011
    Of course, given the seating angles (it's quite low in the Panamera) your head won't touch the ceiling anyways. For anyone under 6'2", it'll be fine. And a lot cheaper than the base Panamera.

    Plus, what's not to like about a V6 with a big supercharger on it? Thank you thank you thank you for not putting a whiny little turbo on it, Audi. Since it has a better transmission than the base Panamera (8 vs 7 gears), and weighs a bit less, it gets to 60mph in about half a second quicker as well. IMO, there's no reason to actually buy the base Panamera instead of this.
  • james27james27 Posts: 433
    Ah, but I am taller than 6' 2", and don't like to sit leaning way back, which makes it even worse!
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,164
    Those 3" are exactly the reason why I ended up with a BMW 535 GT, it was one of the few cars that actually had some decent headroom.

    I hear the Scion xB has a lot of headroom, too. :shades:
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