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What Keeps You Loyal To A Brand?



  • THe CX-9 is on an even larger version of the Edge platform. They are both loosely based on the Mazda 6 Platform but the CX-9 is stretched even more then the edge.

    So really the CX-9 is a Mazda 6 after it can into contact with some Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Ooze...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,929
    check out the stats for minivan comparison.

    2006 minivans
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    and as we all know, TMNT ooze weighs a goodly amount, close to a half ton in fact. :sick:

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Oh yes very dense stuff. Probably weighs half a ton per gallon or so. :surprise:
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Perfect car for Martians. ;)

  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,124
    to Ford for now. Having owned Ford products since I was 16 years old and never having any really bad issues, I'll keep buying Ford. Kind of funny how Ford has this reputation of "Fix or repair Daily". Even though Fords have better reliability than most Euro brands, GM, Subaru and I believe Nissan. I am not totally loyal, I look at the Passat and think...Hmmm.... :shades:
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Yea but the passat is a VW and their reliability is down at the bottom of the pile. Stick with the Ford!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    to be considered "eccentric" when they break, as opposed to plain old "unreliable". Y'know, how like when a Jag, Benz, Rolls, BMW, etc gets cranky, it's being "eccentric" or "that's part of its personality", but when it happens to a Ford or Plymouth or Chevy, it's simply a piece of junk? :P

    BTW, are Passats really that bad? I thought the only really bad V-dubs were the Jettas and Golfs or whatever it was they were building in Mexico?

    A buddy of mine has a 2001.5 Passat (that mid-year changeover model), and I'd imagine he has about 150,000 miles or more on it. It went through a cranky period of about a year, where sometimes it would refuse to start. The dealer tried everything under the sun to get it to run. It turned out to be some sensor that detected the thing as being in gear when he tried to start it, instead of neutral. In the old days, I think that thing was called a "Neutral Safety Switch"? Probably something more complex these days! Anyway, other than that, I don't think he's had any problems with it, and that problem time was more a result of the dealer not fixing it right, than VW muffing it up to begin with.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    I always had good luck with my Ford products. I was pretty much raised in a Ford family. In fact, my first car was an original 1986 Taurus that I drove till about 130 thousand miles with no issues. That car ended up getting sold to my mom's co-worker who was still driving it in (I believe) 2003 with 300k on it. I had a 93' Probe GT for 100 thousand miles that needed a couple of wheel bearings and an O2 sensor over the years but nothing but OTB otherwise.

    My parents for some time actually had (2) Borncos, on was an original 1984 XLT that I remember them buying it brand new. The other, which they still have is a 1996 EB, loaded with the 351. Unfortunately, my mom hit a tree with the 84' a few years back which totalled it (230k miles) and the 96' is still going strong with 170k on it. They don't drive it much with the current gas prices, but it has been very good to them.

    I'd buy a Ford if I were looking. :shades:
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    Their dealer service is some of the worst and their sales tactics are wretched here in MA. That has been my experience at three different dealerships. I don;t think the cars are THAT bad as I know a few people who've had them for years. Older ones are a common sight around here.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You'll hate VWs.....because they are nothing like each other. VW has great driving dynamics, if you can get them on the road for a sustained length of time. Ford has average performance, but better than average repair records - up to 150,000 or so generally. Then they tend to start breaking down a bit more. Like a VW does from day one.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Before 1991, I had owned mostly Chevys, and some Fords. My father owned a couple of Chryslers. I found that after about 5-8 years these cars seemed to be showing their age (engines would start to loose power, and parts would become loose, or stop working all together). In 91 I bought my first Accord, and quickly found out that all cars are not created equal. The car just seemed to fit like it was made for me. Great driving feel, a great 4cylinder engine, and never seemed to get old and worn out. When I finally decided to get a new one (after 12 years) there was no doubt in my mind, it was going to be an Accord. Even if it looked like an Aztec.
    Well, maybe not if it looked like an Aztec, we have to draw the line somewhere. :D
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    And another one here. They have just lasted forever and have been fine driving experiences. They also tend to be leaders on environmental issues dating back as far as they have made cars.

    Um. er, Ford.... I was the owner of the notorious Windstall so I will admit to having that bias. You've no doubt heard all the stories of what those things were prone to - popping engine seals, melting transmissions, electrical glitches, etc. Well, all you have to do is mention something those pieces of (insert your expletive here) were prone to and mine had it. It was OK, not great but not awful, on reliability until it hit 80K. Then things started popping like mad.

    In a tiny bit of fairness to the vehicle the dealer was an idiot, which is to say that when teh first engine seal popped my intuition said replace all the seals because you've got the engine out and seals are a known issue. No such thing. "No they tested fine." And popped weeks later. Then the tranny melted to the tune of $1800.

    So on to corporate Ford since the dealer was offering no relief. They treated us like lepers! Arrogant, snotty people. They got me in a screaming match and my wife says "You're getting too worked up. Let me talk to them." Within two minutes they had her screaming louder than me. The last thing I remember her saying was "It's a good thing these things have such a good safety rating because I don't know when the next time it's gonna die in teh middle of the road with a couple of kids in it!"

    Until I start hearing something that says corporate Ford has changed their attitude they'll be getting my dollar. too abd because they've made, and still make, some attractive cars.

    On contrast, I had the Ody transmission crash. With virtually no discussion they paid for the entire replacement and rented me a vehicle while they did it. Ironically they rented me an Explorer....
    2013 Mazda 5 Grand Touring, 2010 Toyota Prius IV. 2007 Toyota Camry XLE, 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999 Mazda Miata
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Bought a Ridgeline RTL with Navigation for a friend Friday. Drove it home from the auction - have to say, the Air Conditioning was inadequate for the Southwest climate, even in May. Would hate to have to deal with it in August. Drove ok otherwise, but would not give it a pass as a truck. As a Minivan, it was fine. Except for the air. I have owned a Honda before, and it was great. This one disappointed me though, in design. :mad:
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 720
    I can't say that I'm "loyal" to a particular brand, the most vehicles of one manufacturer that I've had is 4 (Honda) followed by 3 Mazda and 2 Nissan/Datsun.

    I would say that I have a brand preference (Honda) but that does not hold sway if they do not offer the best vehicle for my needs at the time that I'm ready to buy. On point, I recently Purchased my first Subaru since none of the brands that I have owned offer a vehicle that is both suitable as a daily driver as well as utility use, including modest towing. Honda's smallest vehicle with a tow rating is the CRV which is too large for commuting and has an automatic transmission only. "Loyalty" can only go so far.

    Since I've owned 12 Japanese vehicles (of 6 manufacturers) vs 2 British, one German and one Italian (Vespa), It appears that I also have a national preference, but that is only because Japan has offered the most reliable vehicles over the past 35+ years. The VW GTI is an enticing choice today but I can't accept the risk that VW's reliability history suggests. Unfortunately, my own country has lead neither in automotive product reliability nor suitability. Pity!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I had a 1980 Mustang that wasn't so great (to be fair, nearly all cars of that vintage were poor) and then a 1991 Escort GT, also so-so.

    The latter had a good powertrain (Mazda sourced), but the interior fell apart bit by bit. It was OK for cheap wheels at the time, but I don't miss it.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294 Cadillac and Buick:

    1968 Buick Special Deluxe
    1979 Buick Park Avenue
    1988 Buick Park Avenuw
    2005 Buick LaCrosse

    1975 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
    1989 Cadillac Brougham
    1994 Cadillac DeVille
    2002 Cadillac Seville STS

    ALL have been extremely reliable and a pleasure to drive. I need to look nowhere else for my automotive purchases.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    I had a 4-way tie between Chevy (1980 Malibu, 1986 Monte Carlo, 1985 Silverado), Dodge (1969 Dart, 1968 Dart, 2000 Intrepid), Pontiac (1969 Bonneville, 1967 Catalina, 1976 LeMans) and Chrysler (1979 Newport, 1967 Newport, 1979 NYer 5th Ave).

    But, another 1979 New Yorker followed me home on Saturday, so that was the tie-breaker. :)
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Are you going to be bringing your new acquisition to the Carlisle Mopar show in July?

    For me the others were:

    1979 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight Regency
    1979 Ford LTD
    1985 Chrysler Fifth Avenue
    1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
    1988 Ford LTD Crown Victoria LX
    1989 Mercury Grand Marquis LS
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    I want to bring the "new" NYer to Carlisle because, if nothing else, its radio works, whereas the one in the "old" one is broken! The only thing I really want to do to it though, to be safe, is change the hoses. The lower radiator hose looked a bit iffy, and the heater hoses weren't the best looking things in the world, either! Oh, and it really does need a good wash and wax/buff job.

    Oh yeah, I forgot about my '88 LeBaron, which I bought off my uncle when I was married, and gave to the ex-wife when we split as part of the settlement. So of all the brands I've had, looks like Chrysler was in the lead, anyway. Actually, I think I mentally blocked out that LeBaron on purpose! :P
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Hmmm, I think for me it's Ford:

    1997 Escort
    1999 Expedition
    2002 Explorer
    2003 Focus

    We've had 3 Saturns ('03 L300, '04 VUE and '06 ION), 1 Honda and 1 VW in the past 10 years, along with the Fords.
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Well, sure, but don't you have all 3 Saturns currently?
    2013 Mazda 5 Grand Touring, 2010 Toyota Prius IV. 2007 Toyota Camry XLE, 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999 Mazda Miata
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Correct .. all the Saturns are our current cars .. plus, my stepson has an '01 L200 that he bought and currently drives, so that makes us a 4 Saturn family.

    So, at the moment, we are loyal to Saturn for the following reasons:

    1) we qualify for the GM Supplier discount
    2) the plastic side panels .. which are going away with the new models
    3) the dealership experience .. cannot afford a Lexus; this is the best customer service I've ever had from a dealer

    (Gee, you'd think I could qualify for a 'frequent buyer' discount or something!)
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    Absolutely! You should get the fleet rate!
    2013 Mazda 5 Grand Touring, 2010 Toyota Prius IV. 2007 Toyota Camry XLE, 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999 Mazda Miata
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    For me it's Buick:

    1965 Wildcat conv.
    1975 Apollo
    1988 Regal
    1979 Electra 225 coupe
    1999 P/A Ultra
    2004 Ranier
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Now THAT was a car, and THAT was a name for a car!!!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    Now THAT was a car, and THAT was a name for a car!!!

    Yeah, I always liked those too. I think my favorite Electras are the mammoth '75-76 4-door hardtops, but I like the downsized '77-79 models too. Preferably with a 403. I think the '80-84 is a sharp looking car too, but by that time they killed all the good engines. You could get an Olds 350 in 1980 as an option (307 was standard), but from '81-84 you were limited to the 252 V-6, 307 V-8, or the Diesel 350.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Shouldn't they have quit calling it a "225" after GM sold the Buick chop-block to Kaiser-Frazier?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    Actually they should've quit calling it 225 once it got longer than 225". That's what the 225 denoted originally. I'm not sure when they finally went over 225", though. I think for awhile in the 60's they actually shrunk up just a bit. I think the '71-76 models were about 230", and then the '77-84 models were 221".

    In 1985, when the little FWD model came out, they initially called them Electra 300 and Electra 380, in relation to engine size (3.0 or 3.8 V-6)
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