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-Paul
Me too.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I think when they made the JK model... it meant ..JUST KIDDING!... Because this is seriously some kind of terrible joke. I am the owner of a 2007 Wrangler Sahara. It has 40k on it and has had the Death Wobble for the last 15k. To tell everyone what the death wobble is ...it a a random violent shaking of the truck. The first time it happened I thought for sure a tire had come completely off the Jeep. I pulled off to the side of the road only to find all the tires were on and intact. This was just the beginning of the long still unresolved road with this truck. I have worked with an amazing Chrysler dealership that has done all that they can do. I have spent hours in the phone trying to find someone who just speaks english to help me with my completely unsafe truck. After months of phone calls and no help I gave up. Now I own a truck that has a large loan left on it and is worth about half...i can't knowingly sell of trade an unsafe vehicle. So I ask... Chrysler...who is going to bail me out? The larger issue is there is no fix if your lucky you may get one of the many suggestions to work but it is likely temporary. This is the truck I HAD to have...and now I cannot even drive it. I am a hazard on the road in this thing.
-Paul
I am in the same exact situation as you...Have you found a solution?
I just picked up my Jeep after the 5th time this week. The dealership has re checked EVERYTHING and nothing is wrong. They have no idea what to do. They have a call in to the Chrystler star team for help again. I would like to try a new set of tires to see if that is the issue. I am trying to work on making that happen. Customer service is useless so be prepared but call to get a case # set up. To let you know where I am at with all this I this week have mailed out individual letters to the entire leadership team of Chrysler Corp. I was also able to obtain the direct fax # and phone # to the fablous CEO Robert Nardelli. So I am working it the best I can and will keep up with the updates.
I have had this replaced and even have a RANCHO ( not Chrysler) heavy duty off road stabilizer put in a few months ago. Issue still exists. The Chrysler stabilizer is defective and you will need to continue to have it replaced. The Chrystler star team is aware that the Rancho ones seem to work in most so far and yes the warranty WILL pay for it even though it is not a Chrysler part. Make sure your dealership is working with Chrysler directly.
-Paul
Danny
It is the last "Jeep". I mean with two doors, regular length and straight 4 or 6 cylinder engine. I think the engine in the 06 and earlier is better then the current engine that is from their Van.AFAIK. By better I mean longer lasting. I was glad that I bought mine when I did. Any thoughts?
tidester, host
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Clearly this is a defect in the product that Jeep has not figured out yet.
Good luck!
EBC Yellowstuff brakepads will be all the pad your TJ will need unless you really build up your Jeep.
-Paul
For a vehicle that is meant to be driven "rough" it is a joke to have them go bad so often.
If you run larger tires with a lift, the TJ brakes quickly become inadequate. Vanco makes a brake upgrade kit that uses dual piston calipers vs the single caliper on the TJ's. Better rotors and grippier pads, combined with that brake upgrade make for an incredible setup.
Also note, if you ride your brakes a lot or tap them any time you need to slow down, you increase your chances of warping. I saw that a LOT on the California highway/parking lots. Yet I managed to get over 66,000 miles from stock Jeep brakes on my Grand Cherokee (WJ) when they were known to warp even easier than the TJ's will.
Sure the brakes could be better, but driving habits will dictate SOME of it (though it doesn't really apply if they warp w/in 2 weeks of vehicle delivery).
-Paul
Ordered an aftermarket steering stabilizer and bracket from the 'Lizard as preventative maintenance. Almost got tboned on passenger side thankfully no passenger. Made it through the intersection before their brakes stopped them in the middle as seen in my rearview. Moving up the frame mounted step idea, leaving rubi rail on, to increase the side protection (airbags can only do so much). Was asking the 'Lizard to custom make some but investigating a frame mounted step now. Yes, I spent way too much time reading about the ins and outs of body/frame/combo rails. Want frame mounted and the body mount locations look good for now but want something soon. While better_half likes her H3 it really runs great now redline everywhere and smoother tires, the wrangler truly is an enjoyable sport car 4x4 and she wants to pry the key out of my hand every chance she can take.
Rockhard cannister cover-didn't relocate. Mirror drain holes after second hand washing. Redline in dif's. Steering stabilizer coming. Steps coming. Should've been in Bridgeport yesterday-Oh well October then.
first i thought it had something to do with my ABS brakes and the recalls they had for the computer software
the first time Chrysler told me it was the tires with out even looking at it
the second time they couldn't duplicate the problem
I am now going on 6 times
I fear bridges and tunnels because if it happens there I am certainly getting rear ended
any suggestions on what to do after reading this forum it seems there is no solution
Wranglers up the '06 sometimes have this problem too, and in those cases it's almost always a combination of worn steering joints and a suspension lift.
However, from '07 onward it seems to have become a design issue occurring on even brand new vehicles. What makes it harder for the customer is that it doesn't occur on all vehicles, and even on those that suffer it doesn't occur consistently.
AFAIK there's no official fix, but some people have had dealers fit aftermarket steering stabilizers under warranty, which is the route I'd follow if it were mine.
Try to get a pair of the beefiest stabilizers installed that you can find, even if you have to pay for it yourself.
It will mask rather than fix I'm afraid, but until Jeep publicly recognize the problem and design a fix it's the best I can offer.
Personally, I think that Jeep will ignore it, just as they have with the leaking hardtop issue.
To all who have this.... Chrysler IS AWARE of the Death Wobble.... their engineers know all about it and have NO IDEA what the issue is. The 2010 parts for the steering stabilizer seem to resolve the issue which was their hope. My jeep is the first with these parts to resolve the issue ... and so far so good. Forget going through customer service... waste of time and the speak little English... Call corporate office if necessary.
Rubi is first sfa and read before buying it and keep reading asking learning.
Epilogue is the prologue.
Continue reading only if bored. Bought a new jack w/jackstands for a van. Believe a petersens kit from pepboys years ago. Got a one year subscription to their mag. Got emails for dirt cheap mags (not full versions as in stores) but have been paid for with the 20% harbor freight coupons inside. Swimming with coupons.
Three mags came yesterday. Petersen's 4Wheel & Off-Road December issue has a good Ford "DEATH WOBBLE" story in the Technical column by Rick Péwé. Seems to support a lot of what I have read and been told about sfa.
As an aside the Motor Trend article liked the new 2010 4Runner. Test drove a 2009 before the Rubicon purchase. The Toyota did everything it was supposed to do but didn't like the mushy brake pedal, reminded me of those Ford vans (cure supposedly was to replace the master cylinder with a stronger truck model. Guess it was to keep from throwing passengers with a quick stop). 2009 Toyota seemed homogenized and tall and narrow. No regrets about the rubi and looking forward to custom frame mounted sliders/steps from the 'lizard.
I noticed your post was in 2007. Can you tell me what ever happened with your situation? I have been reading tons of posts about this flaw and it doesn't look very promising as far as finding a quick fix....or any fix at all.
Any suggestions you may have would be really helpful.
My complaint was entered as: Customer states steering shakes excessively when hitting bumps
The dealership replaced The Damper, steering
Customer states loud clunk in rear end when shifting into drive after backing up
Cause: Spider gears teeth broken and clutch noisy
The dealership replaced the rear differential pumpkin assembly and bearing S. replaced fluids and added additives
Parts included:
Seal-Drive Pinion
Bearing -Drive Pinion
Bearing-Differential side
Spacer-Drive Pinion Bearing
Case Kit-Differential
Bearing-Drive Pinion
Sealer
Lubricant
Lubricant
Adhessive-Stud and Bearing
Trac-lock equipped
Rear Disc BrakesEquipped-both sides
Bearings, Pinion-All Axles-Replaced
It took them 12 days and now it's making a clanging sound when I ecellerate????????????
I am so frustrated Ihad a 2001 Jeep Wrangler and had no major problems
I have had to replace the front brakes within 10 months and believe all these other issues were what caused my brakes to wear so fast, but had to pay another $300 again within a year on front brakes and $359. for the back. The Dealership I brought the Jeep to was in Kingwood, Texas and because I bought an extended Warrenty I got a free rental that I drove off the lot with then every morning tire was low so i put air in then brought it back to them to fix and I had to buy a $100. tire because there was a nail in the side (which was miost likely there when I rented) they also charged me $20. labor to put a new tire on their PT cruiser even though if I had been in my realitivly new Jeep it would have been covered cuz I purchased the road hazard warrenty they PUSH on you when buying tires even though apparently they don't find it nessasary on their own vehicles :sick: :mad: :lemon: DEERBROOK FOREST JEEP
Why would they go to the expense of buying it for their own vehicles when they can get the customer to pay for any tire damage?
As the economy gets tougher some businesses will reduce spending on items that they believe will reduce their profits.
Other businesses will increase spending on the same items, believing that an increase in happy customers will add to their profits.
I believe your dealer falls into the first group.
Yesterday, bought the daystars from the four wheel parts store nearby. Ignored their instruction sheets to remove the latches and break apart in a vise. Just carefully hack sawed off the passenger side lower pin at the front and popped the rest of the pin out towards the back. New pin bigger than hole in the bracket. Called the store about return and they also had me call daystar. At the store I offered the clerk to see what I was telling them. Got my refund.
Several ideas on the net about these darn latches-just give us a normal hood like everybody else has had for years. Hood flutter on our previa and one of our e150 vans was cured by turning those stupid plastic or rubber hood stops.
Some say use the daystars (not for 09 or 10 yet), others use the cable tie over the weak rubber, and another says to remove the hood spring. Nobody ever posts why they did what they did. The spring wants to push up the hood the latch rubber bands want to hold it down and that little piece of rubber on the latch protects against hood metal meeting fender metal. I'll stick with the weak factory rubber, which might last longer, now that the hood spring is removed.
Trying to pass a truck (wish more people wouldn't ride the truck rear bumper but better yet pass that truck and quit riding along side them for miles), doing the 70 speed limit ( thankfully didn't have to respond to anybody that yes slow down and follow or take 10 miles by not exceeding the speed limit to pass a truck) punched the throttle and rpms go to 5500 then 5000 and nothing. What good was all that gas if the response was that bad. Did it drop to 2nd? Did the pressure in the tc get limited and wasted, did the clutch pack burn up, did the sw fail to unlock and and let the rpms pull with fourth at that speed was 3rd even necessary and 2nd would've been totally stupid.
Years ago a post here and possibly by a woman seemed to be dismissed about not being able to back uphill with her jeep. I tried doing just that in the crd with the 545 after that post. I don't like to dismiss the internet as a bunch of idiots and that don't believe those internet idiots. Dex-cool, 5 speed automatics, etc.
Posts here and elsewhere talk about this issue. In our 06 h3 at about 60 with a punch ours, confirmed by dealer heavy line mechanic thru obd, downshifts to 2nd per design - that is baloney design give me the old tranny from that deuce and a quarter or that 472 deville and keep your modern learning garbage.
Mentioning that to a parts store manager his first thought was torque converter. Lost members looked to suncoast and trans go to fix their CRD. Never did that with our crd. modern diesel ptooey as the say about gassers. Think I remember a post from Caribou sometime back that Europe was loosing its' love affair with modern diesels - fuel, high pressure pumps, or cheap parts - why don't know.
Talked to a famous Ft. Worth high performance shop owner who said it wasn't the torque converter or transmission and that I didn't know what it was (and presumedly what I was talking about). Got their tranny rebuilder's name west of Ft. Worth. Told him my story including the crd getting the wrangler diesel tc - all you get is stronger spring for the clutch pack. lost members still go to suncoast. He said it wasn't my tc and goodby I have another call coming in. And keep getting that it is a brick going down the highway-baloney again. Both conversion vans e-150's one with the 351 and one with the 5.4 (speed limited), when at speed took that throttle to keep up with the herd.
I have a Jeep Wrangler 2008 and have had the same problem. It started about 35,000 miles so I guess I consider myself lucky?
I have had endless conversations with Chrysler Senior Resolutions and my local dealer. They have replaced my transmission twice and have now determined that there is a synchronization problem between 1st and 2nd. As of the writing of this they are creating a technical service bulletin for the problem which should be out in the next 2 weeks. They assure me that the steps are being taken to make the parts to solve this problem, they don't exist at this point. As soon as the parts are manufactured they believe it will solve the problem.
Keep your figures crossed. I'm remaining optimistic this will work.
Scott2008