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Crossover SUV Comparison



  • the Journey - stay tuned, not sure how it's going to fare.
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    Why do you think CUV should be car like? Is it because you have FS(car like)?
    I can say it can be van like or SUV like. Where did you get this statment, that the CUV is car like? I'll rather say van and SUV like.
    CUV is something between van and SUV.
  • as a few have noted, logic, rational explanation, and facts or any combination of the 3 are simply lost around here lately so in an effort to thwart the elegantly termed "loop" applying any of those three seems to be a waste of your time, i.e. a "feeding" time of sorts.

    this has more than made itself than apparant with the last round of posts before yours and barnstormers. there is simply no arguing, they are right and regardless of the facts or rational arguments otherwise it does not seem to matter. let them play in their sandbox and bask in each others insight into all things automotive as they apparantly seem to have it all figured out regardless of the many opinions and facts proving otherwise.

    As for Chrysler they are coming out with the Dodge Journey

    as has been seen in the not to distant past around here.

    it lists it there with a base 4cylinder engine, wheelbase is only an inch longer than the FS/T-reX so it will be interesting to see how that works out.
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Why is there so much time and energy being spent here arguing which "box" (SUV, CUV, station wagon) a particular model belongs in? In the overall scheme of things, does it really matter? Sorry guys, but I don't get it.
  • sort of a forum cycle thing, you hang around here long enough and if there are not enough "new" subjects to debate or "new" CUV news and you have to argue about something so it falls back to wars fought long ago just with some new and old player's.

    nothing really to get actually...
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    I agree.
    About 5 years ago I was reading magazine, where for first time I read about CUV or crossover. That time they were defined as a station wagons or 5-door hatchbacks with truck-like characteristics such as elevated suspensions and upright seating.(FS, SRX) So, then 5 years later we got CUV's more look like a SUV's. So now it more SUV then station wagon.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Apparently you've never sat in a Freestyle/Five Hundred (aka, new Taurus and Taurs X) ? I *do* sit higher in my Freestyle and Five Hundred. I used to own a Taurus and a Taurus wagon (the real Tauri, not the new ones LOL). So, I know first-hand that I'm sitting higher.

    A friend had a Montego for a company vehicle, which I sat in many times (and when he ordered his Chevy Uplander, he had the option of a Taurus X- which I did want him to get more than the van). The Volvo XC70 sits higher than a conventional sedan, yet it's not a CUV. And in most CUVs you still get a little more seating height than in a TX.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    The MDX is out - the Journey is in. Any Dodge fans out there?

    2009 Dodge Journey Crossover
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    A CUV is more than just a unibody SUV. That's why the Pilot is considered by Honda as an SUV. Nobody there is trying to call it a CUV.

    That statement makes no sense. The Pilot is a CUV. Honda just doesn't call it one because when it arrived on the market SUVs were still popular, and it was developed originally to compete with the likes of the Explorer.

    One could argue that the lambdas are not CUVs, but simply a unibody SUV, since they don't have any car-like characteristics.

    Except for carlike gas mileage and carlike driving. You just don't consider the lambdas ride as carlike because you drive what is basically a car (the FS).

    But we'll be generous and say that while the lamdas are really nothing more than a unibody SUV, we'll call them a CUV.

    And even though the TX is a wagon we will let it play because it has third row seating. ;)
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    wheelbase is only an inch longer than the FS/T-reX so it will be interesting to see how that works out.

    That's huge considering the Journey is 8 inches shorter than the FS. So third row room must not be that bad, but I know cargo space is disaml for the three row midsize CUV class.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    The MDX is out - the Journey is in. Any Dodge fans out there?

    Huh? MDX is out? And I'm a Charger/Challenger fan, but besides that(and the 300C), Chrysler has completely turned me off.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    Since there's nothing purposeful around here, I'm going to try a new discussion:

    Is the Flex a good replacement for the TX? I think the toys and gadgets are good fun and all, but I don't think I'd be willing to may 5-10g more for a TX. Also I think Fords new design language (shaving razor grille) may be too strong for some.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Huh? MDX is out?

    Well, we're easy - we could rotate out the Vue or the Acadia.... We only have 9 slots to work with in the topic categories.
  • ARE YOU CRAZY - the obvious choice is to take out the T-reX since it's OBVIOUSLY ONLY a wagon, I don't know what you guys were thinking INCLUDING it in the CUV forums, low ground clearance and lack of boat towing ability, dismiss it, stop the madness... he says with tounge firmly planted in cheek...
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Good idea.

    Since no two of us can agree on what the definition of a CUV is anyway, we can just remove all of them in the category. :P
  • ylzylz Posts: 45
    Hello all. I was interested in both the 2008 Subaru Tribeca and the 2008 Mazda CX 7 and I have test drove both several times. I just keep coming back to the Tribeca. I mean, it's not even close. The acceleration is great on both cars but the CX 7 is way too noisy even at 50 mph. The Tribeca is a smooth ride, very comfortable, predictable, and yet has sufficient passing power. The only thing the CX 7 does better is handle around curves but the Tribeca is no slouch in this either. And as far as the interior goes, I love the Tribeca's swoopy dashboard, makes me feel like I'm in a cockpit or something. I will say the CX 7 has a nice sporty interior but the leather is not as quality as I would like. And the exterior looks I would have to give to the CX7 for it's futuristic thing its got going on. But I feel that the Tribeca is a nicer and softer ride which is important to me. All and all I pick the Tribeca hands down and people are telling me that I'm nuts to not pick the CX 7. What are some of your thoughts out there. Is the CX 7 a better vehicle? Let me know.
  • we're all nuts around here, plain and simple if you haven't noticed.

    buy what YOU like as it's your money. check the tribeca and cx7 forums to see if specific problems/issues from OWNERS that come up consistently and maybe that helps sway one way or the other but short of that buy what you like and enjoy.

    the only other advice is to maybe look at all of them if you haven't as there are virtues/shortcomings to all of them but if you have done that and are focused on these, go get the best deal you can and start driving.
  • Since no two of us can agree on what the definition of a CUV is anyway

    That's easy.

    If it's clearly not a truck, and clearly not a sedan, and clearly not a minivan, and you want to make it part of the hottest growing market segment so you can sell it, you call it an SUV. :P
  • this has more than made itself than apparant with the last round of posts before yours and barnstormers. there is simply no arguing, they are right and regardless of the facts or rational arguments otherwise it does not seem to matter. let them play in their sandbox and bask in each others insight

    I'm not sure I like being thrown into the same sandbox. :P

    It's fairly clearl that he wants an SUV . . . he hasn't really shown any reason why he'd rather have a CUV over an SUV. (Maybe he just wants an SUV that's unibody?)

    I think it's rather clear, though, why the Freestyle/Five Hundred aren't just normal station wagons and sedans . . . it's that higher seating level.

    Basically, I'm going by the "first" definition of a CUV . . . which was something more car-like. Since that time, people have added the SUVs that are unibody rather than body-on-frame as another addition to CUV.

    Since mine was one first, I think it's comical that he should try to exlcude it from being called a CUV . . . it would be more rational for ME to say that his isn't a CUV . . which is what I was trying to point out . . . apparently the irony/humor didn't really come across correctly.
  • I wasn't throwing you in with "them", I thought I was being clear about that.

    I'm just not relpying to those two anymore as there is no debating rationally with them...
  • allison5allison5 Posts: 130
    I have posted before and here i am again. I am getting closer to getting the Acadia, I have a 04 GMC Yukon that it will be replacing. I am doing more research right now because I am home recovering from surgery for another week or so. Maybe i will have another car by the time i go back to work :( . I have driven Acadia 2x really liked it, was a little bothered by the fact that people have had transmission issues but 08 is better from what people say. I have 3 kids 13 -7 ages and a 90 lb dog that goes to Lake Tahoe, Ca, beaches etc. I started wondering about Ford Expedition, like the new look but am leary about fords. Have had them before, don't want another Yukon and want something different .. Anyway wondering if Acadia's gas mileage is better and do people think it has almost as much room as Expedition/Yukon? Thanks in advance
  • you'll probably get a few opinions here but your best bet may be the acadia specific forums for the info you are looking for.

    good luck
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    Good. Finally. "Fortunately Volvo and Mazda have some very talented engineers".
    It's not a Ford engineers.
    So for past years, the Ford doesn't engineered anything.

    Good grief vad!!! Did you read the rest of the post? VOLVO AND MAZDA ENGINEERS WORK FOR FORD MOTOR COMPANY!!! Therefore they ARE Ford engineers. :sick:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,229
    So you say this:

    You are somewhat right. GM did intend the Equiox to compete with the Escape, but the Equinox is bigger than even the Edge.And when it's redesigned, that's sqaurely the size Gm's aiming for.

    Then this:

    I told you already- the Equinox! And when it is redesigned (I believe soon) it will have a third row and should compete sqaurely with the likes of Pilot VC and Highlander, too.

    So I'm supposed to believe that the next Equinox is going to compete with the Escape, Edge, Pilot, VC, and Highlander? Now that is impressive! GM IS smarter than I thought. I can't wait to see how they pull this off! :P

    I don't know why you can't see that Ford has more new small CUVs than GM and GM has more new large CUVs than Ford. That's all I'm saying. Is it that hard to understand?

    No- the lambdas aren't marrked by slow sales, nor are they being replace by a different vehicle.

    Exactly what can't be said for the Lambdas? I was telling you that the Lambdas didn't exist in 2004 as neither did the Flex. Do you know something we don't?

    Look albook, I don't think Ford did the right thing in going with the FS/TX and staying faithful to the Explorer. They probably wish they had put a new large CUV to market sooner like GM did. They chose to put their new small CUVs out first and that's a fact. Why you are arguing against that fact is for you to work out yourself.

    Is Ford catching on? Barely- not nearly as fast as GM. GM gets it. They have separated their products and brands and don't put wierd unattractive grilles on everything they make.

    Since you're basing that opinion on current product I'll let it go because it is very valid. However, I've seen the future, and it looks bright.
  • cleansing breath...

    stop the feeding, it's working out quite nicely as it just doesn't matter what any of us say to offer rational response, we'll simply be "wrong" again or they'll twist/turn something around to get the ire up yet again.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    Why do you think CUV should be car like
    Try reading my post...some of each, SUV, minivan
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    The Pilot is a CUV
    Wrong...just because you call it a CUV doesn't make it so.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    It's easy to define a's whatever certain posters say it is...not the manufacturer :P
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    Good grief vad!!! Did you read the rest of the post?

    baggs...please, you're asking too much ;)
  • Like the superbowl, is there an upset in the works for our Crossover pick?

    Wow, what a week. We drove the Highlander and Enclave, each for the second time, and the Veracruz and CX9 for the first time. I must say, that they are all wonderful vehicles. Each one had its’ strengths. And depending on the needs of the purchaser, they are all good choices. The comments below describe what we liked about each vehicle as tested. All vehicles are base models priced, from 40-41 K (Canadian). I do not plan on adding many options, as I’m trying to keep the total negotiated price below 45K (including taxes, etc.).

    CX9- Best driver of the bunch. For a vehicle this big, it’s as sporty as you can get.
    Enclave- Has the most interior room and flexibility. Smoothest ride. Unbelievably quiet. A luxury vehicle.
    Highlander- 4WD in base model. Best visibility. Very competent.
    Veracruz- Probably second place in almost every category. Nice leather seats. An excellent vehicle overall.

    We have come to the conclusion that our choice will be between the CX9, Enclave, and Veracruz. The Highlander, though excellent, does not suit our particular needs as well as the others do. We will not bother to drive any other Crossovers as it is becoming too time consuming, and we feel that any of these three vehicles can meet our needs.
    We still have to go back to talk price with each salesman. We will probably drive some of the vehicles again, to fine tune our opinions. If the deals are similar, I think the Enclave has the edge. If we can get a much better deal on the Veracruz or CX9, then it’s still anyone’s game to win.
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