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Crossover SUV Comparison



  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,992
    Our family is a lot like yours (minus one kid) and my wife too likes wagons over minivans and SUV looking vehicles. We bought a TaurusX TX (called Freestyle FS) back in Feb '05. At the time there was no Veracruz, Rondo, nor Acadia, CX-9, etc, so the TX/FS was the best choice for us at the time.

    A couple of questions. What are the ages of your 3 kids and what are you driving now that holds 3 across in the 2nd row? Any carseats involved? And when you carry more than 5 people, do you need much cargo space?

    The Rondo has a pretty good 2nd row and good cargo space behind the 2nd row with the 3rd row folded, as does the Veracruz, so I'd put the three kids back in the 2nd row of each to see how they like it, and then imagine how they'll like it as they grow bigger! Only problem with the Rondo is that when you do use the 3rd row, you're going to have to move up the 2nd row to get everyone comfortable, so it will depend on the size of the people you're carrying. The Veracruz will give you some more space.

    The TX has a good sized 2nd row with lots of legroom, and the 3rd row can handle adults easily without the need to slide up the 2nd row. Our FS has the same dimensions as the current TX. We have a 2nd row bench that can hold three adults and two more adults in the 3rd row. Our bench seat doesn't slide forward, but doesn't really need to because there's plenty of space in the 3rd row for two. Cargo space behind the 2nd row of the TX isn't bad, but the way the 3rd rwo flips and folds cuts into some height of the cargo area behind the 2nd row.

    I wouldn't consider the Pilot because to me it's more SUV that what it sounds like you're looking for.

    Another plus for the Rondo is that a fully loaded one should't cost more than $20,000 with the discounts/rebates, plus you get the 100,000 mile warranty. The TX and Veracruz will add another $5-$10,000 or more depending on options you get, but you'll find some pretty good discounts on the TX since it's not a new model nor a hot seller.

    Personally for me if I had a 3rd kid I'd go for a Sienna. It has a nice wide 2nd row "bench" with 3 individual seats, so you could easily fit three carseats across if necessary. And a huge amount of cargo space with the 3rd row folded so you'd never need to put anything on the roof. And even when you need to use the 3rd row it has twice the cargo space behind the 3rd row then any CUV.

    But since we're probably stopping with 2 kids I'll probably keep the FS a long time.
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    read their "process" and you'll find it even more difficult to take seriously.

    I'd trust the multitude of opinions here in these forums before I'd take the U.S. News rankings seriously.

    Look at the Highlander. The 2008 Hybrid (#7) scores a 4.7 for the exterior. The non-hybrid model (#9) scores a 7.7. Given that the exteriors are virtually identical, I guess certain reviewers really hate the Hybrid's unique wheels or tail lights?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Tail of the Dragon, yes, indeed.

    Would you pick an MDX or an Enclave to drive on this twisty road?


    No need to answer because the answer is quite obvious.

    I love how US News gives the Jeep Grand Cherokee such a high score for "Performance". :D
  • what happened to the edit feature for posts?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    FWIW MDX reviews I've seen say Acura did a pretty good job getting that vehicle to handle well. I haven't sampled one of the newer ones yet.

    For me the price puts it out of contention, so no matter.

    [the Edit feature is back]
  • "FWIW MDX reviews I've seen say Acura did a pretty good job getting that vehicle to handle well"

    I'm not doubting they did, I would hope so for $48k, but they all do to varying degrees for what they are, big people/stuff carriers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    C&D's lateral grip scores for this class tend to be in the high .70s, usually around 0.76-0.77g. The MD-X managed 0.87g. Pretty significant advantage compared to the average big crossover. Competitive with some sport sedans.

    So you might say it handles well, and not just "for a crossover".

    I'm not sure how well it rides with those big rims, something's gotta give, and you already mentioned the price, but I thought it was worth noting.

    I chose instead to get one big, practical family car, and a little roadster/sports car for fun commuting and errand running. The former fits more inside and the latter is more fun, especially with the top down. One was used but I spent a total of about $33k, so I think I still came out well ahead.

    I guess if a driver wants a cake-and-eat-it-too single vehicle, MDX is not a bad choice. Just be prepared to pay up.
  • jimmy2xjimmy2x Posts: 124
    I think that quoting MSRP for almost any vehicle tends to distort the actual difference in consumer actual cost.

    Current selling prices in the Mid-Atlantic area are generally as follows:

    MDX base - 38K
    MDX Tech - 41K
    MDX Tech/Entertainment - 44.5K

    These are pretty close and while certainly not inexpensive are considerably less than one might think. Pricing is, of course, before taxes, tags, etc.
  • CR released their "Top Picks" list today and the 2008 Santa Fe made it! ;)

    CR makes Santa Fe a Top Pick
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Kudos to Hyundai. A lot of us have been saying how much they've improved lately.

    Two cars I own are on that list. I guess they got that fruit basket I sent them. :D

    Hey, if the wife trades in for a Santa Fe, all 3 of our cars would be on there.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,306
    Would you pick an MDX or an Enclave to drive on this twisty road?
    I wouldn't pick either and would avoid it like the plague on a family trip. That's the type of road that would have half my passengers complaining about nausea and telling me to slow down etc etc. In my WRX....well that's a different story.
  • wonder if Vad read it???

    can't wait for that
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You leave the wife at the spa/outlet, and then make the run by yourself.

    Or take you son if he's old enough to drive, and take turns at the wheel.

    It's not just the Tail of the Dragon, it's whatever favorite road you may have. We all have one like that. At least car nuts like me tend to.

    Mine is Rock Creek, not the main trail but the alternate trails only a local would know.

    I'd tell you where, but then I'd have to kill you. ;)
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    "That's the type of road that would have half my passengers complaining about nausea and telling me to slow down etc etc."

    Yes, if you will drive like Michael Schumacher. I have drove Acadia thru the mountains on east coast, and no one had complain. Of course WRX or even better 911 Porsche will be better on twisty road.
  • let's not forget daughter's that we were equally blessed with, we don't want to be sexist around here... she's 2+ so I have a few years to go...

    mine was/is PCH south of carmel on a clear moonlit night. Now I'm in Chicago and still searching... any insight out there???
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wow, how disappointingly un-controversial. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not with my daughter, I lost that battle. Tried everything I could to get my daughter in to cars. No sale. :sick:

    About the only thing she cares about is having rooms for her to bring along as many friends as she likes. We often carpool and take 2-3 of her friends home from Hoops practice.

    My son, OTOH, is still very young, but I can see it in him. He'll be a car guy, like his dad. He's the one yelling "faster, daddy, faster".

    I did at least get my daughter to help me bleed the brakes (pumping the brake pedal). So perhaps it's not a lost cause.
  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    What kind of elevation changes are on that route? Is it hilly also, or fairly flat?
  • at 2.5 she's got a friend with a "little tyke's" car and when they get together she nudges her way into the drivers seat regardless of it being occupied or not that I have some great pictures of... I'll grasp on to every little glint of hope I can...
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,306
    Well, my daughter may be my best hope. At the age of two and 1/2, she made a beeline for a MB SLK in the show-room and climbed in. She had a screaming fit for almost an hour after we dragged her out of the driver's seat when it was time to go. At one level I was very impressed, at another I wish she had more economical tastes.

    OH and AHEM.... we were test driving the R series that day for appropriate CUV content.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    what happened to the edit feature for posts?

    You have 30 minutes to edit from the time you post a message.

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Unless a server gets out of sync -- we had one hiccup recently and some posts got made with incorrect time stamps. That could be why you didn't see the Edit button right after you posted.
  • thanks for the update on that one... that seemed to be what I saw going on today...
  • "At one level I was very impressed, at another I wish she had more economical tastes."

    actually she does instead of an SLK it could have easily been an SL...LOL

    How did you like the R???
  • findmefindme Posts: 36
    In the US News report, it was stated that the concern for the Outlook was the transmission. Since the Outlook is on the same platform as the Acadia and the Enclave, does it not share the same transmission and engine? I thought the experts could explain to me how the Outlook is having these problems, but not the Acadia and the Enclave. Thank you!
  • nxs138nxs138 Posts: 481
    This US News report is basically dated crap. All the Lambdas had transmission software issues in the 2007 and early 2008 models. New software has been out for several months now, which greatly improves shifting and hesitation issues (not completely solved, but better nonetheless). These new updates are all well known to the "real" news sources.
  • hence the fallacy of "performance" CUV's...your point sums it up with all the "enthusiast" bravado that get's thrown around. I sit back and laugh, they simply need to be safe, competant, keep up with traffic and brake, some do that better than others around here but to label them capable of any real "performance" is quite silly.

    And yet I still pass up those driving "performance cars" with great frequency.

    Perhaps it's more the driver than the car? :P

    I estimate that 90%+ of "performance vehicles" aren't used for performance. Kinda like 90%+ of SUVs aren't used off-road.
  • Would you pick an MDX or an Enclave to drive on this twisty road?

    No. :P
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    it's true.
    Owner of performace cars is more showing their wealth, than any thing else. It's like my good friend from Germany asked me why do americans buying muscle cars? Here is no autobahn, speed limit 55-75 mph, so it's pretty much useless to have one of those cars.
    I will say, you can choose a CUV by interior space you need, fuel economy (that will not be great, although it's some kind hybrid), price and equipment for this price.
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    I'm just trying to stay away from uselees argue. Like a " Mr. Schumacher" on CUV with family, on twisty road and doing about 100 mph., trying to catch a some fun, driving on MDX or CX-9.
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