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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I second akirby's advice. Try another dealer. Take the service manager for a ride, or let him drive it. Get him to admit this isn't normal.....

    I had a similar experience on my new 03 Navigator. The A/C would blow cold, then hot intermittantly. The dealer said, no codes, nothing wrong. So, I got the service manager to go for a ride. In less than a mile, he admitted, this is just not acceptable, and agreed to find out what was wrong. It was a bad expansion valve. No codes were thrown, but they fixed it. No future issues.

    Try another dealer. I know it's a pain, but you have to.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    ...and boy was I WRONG!!!

    Pictures don't do this truck justice. The interior upgrades are so amazing they have to be SEEN and FELT in person in order to be appreciated.

    The new leather is so soft and supple -- a HUGE upgrade for my tastes. The new captains chairs feel better than my lounge chair at home!

    The new wood trim looks VERY classy. All the doors and trays open smoothly and with a luxurious touch.

    Even my biggest gripe about this redesign (the teenager-with-a-mouth-full-of-braces-look of the new front end) looks MUCH classier in person.

    I've just GOT to add this beast to my test drive list for next year. Overall, this truck was the one vehicle that surprised me the most at the Miami Beach car show.

    I guess the Ford designers DO know what they're doing after all!!!!! :)

    Take a look at this car inside and out in person guys -- I think you will be very pleasantly surprised!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Agree, gteach completely. Saw it in person for the first time today, and I'm amazed!
  • Yeah, except for the fact that the gauges came straight from a florida retirenment home. Whose Idea was this?

    Also, in this class 300hp is not enough anymore, end of story.

    Meybe the quality of marterials is better than before, but the design of the interrior looks like Lincoln took a step BACK, not forward. The previous interrior was, IMO, the best Ive seen on any vehicle, in terms of design and layout. The only thing was the small nav sreen and a few missing features.

    This truck does look better than what they had at the show, it looks classier. Honestly though, I wish the ford team good luck trying to sell it.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,437
    It will sell. Just not in the same numbers as the Slade...which is more expensive. Too bad Lincoln gave over its lead to someone else. There was no need to do it, except for the overpaid dummies who made the product decisions putting the Navigator from best to also-ran (see October Car and Driver).
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Exactly.... I think though, the Expy/Nav is due for a complete redesign sometime soon, based upon the next F-150 that comes out. They're buying time for now.

    I also don't know what happened to the Hurricane Engine project, that would make Lincoln competitive with Caddy again. Probably budget cuts....

    Sometimes I think this company would be better off without the Ford family input. May be time to sell it.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,018
    The Hurricane was cancelled last year, then reinstated this year right after Fields took over. No word on when it will debut or in which vehicle, but it's definitely back on the table.

    Fields was also responsible for making side curtain airbags standard on the Fusion/Milan. His mantra is to stop decontenting and cutting costs and start adding features and options instead to get more profit.

    Now that Bill Ford has stepped aside and is letting Fields and Mullaly run things Ford will be fine. I think they'll be profitable in 2 years and start gaining back some of the lost market share.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    The new square gauges do seem like they just don't "fit" well in the truck. Seems a bit old-school.

    The new seats as well as the center stack improvements in the look/feel department really did impress me, though.

    The little chrome "Navigator" accents on the door pulls were a nice touch, too.

    I can certainly see this truck continuing to be a "love it or hate it" product. Me, I'm all over the place, at first I hated it, now I love it, tomorrow....???

    Still want to test drive though to see if they made it quieter and smoother than the 03 I once had.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Completely agree on the "79 F-150 Instrument Cluster". It should go. My dealer died, I have no connections at the LIncoln store anymore, so if you drive one, please let me know what you think. As you may remember, I also had an 03, which, I still miss, by the way.
  • Anyone familiar with this problem? I have an '04 Navigator with all the options possible. I have had this happen three times, this morning was the 3rd. I'll be driving and all the sudden my front end basically collapses onto my tires. You can immediately feel that the front is is down and you can hear/feel the wheel wells rubbing on the tires. The first two times after pulling the vehicle over and letting it sit for a few minutes, the compressor will kick on it will reset itself, basically raising the vehicle back up. I've taken it to the dealer both times and they've done everything but call me crazy. I got an apology from the dealerships manager after my first visit. My reciept read that "customer must have impaired vision and not clearly seeing the clearance on the tires". I don't know, something like that. Anyway both times they sent me home, saying they ran tests and can't find a problem, therefore can't fix it. I just picked it up yesterday at the dealership and when I left the house in it this morning at 5AM it fell again. I parked it and it's being towed there now. I get frustrated b/c the dealership doesn't seem and "friendly" now that I'm working off an extended warranty, which by the way they sold me. But it's not a "Ford" warranty, which they like to keep pointing out to me. I just want them to fix the flippin problem.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,018
    There is a TSB for the front air suspension - make sure the dealer reads it.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Right out of the dealership my 03 kept saying "check suspension" or something similar to that on the display and the truck was bouncing around quite a bit.

    It stayed at the dealer a week while they changed the "suspension module". It was smooth sailing after that.

    Is the truck giving you any warnings on the instrument panel? The warning might only come on when you experience the trouble so keep a look out for one. Does the problem happen at a specific time (speeding up, slowing down, after a speed bump, etc)?

    Generally, the mechanics have to be able to duplicate the problem or at least get the computer to spit out an error, otherwise they have "nothing" to fix.

    I'm surprised they wrote the "visual impairment" thing on the invoice. Even if it's true, a simple "no problem was found" would have sufficed.

    Have them check the TSB (technical service bulletin)like akirby suggested. Document when the problem happens and how often.

    This problem sounds serious enough that you may want to let the dealership keep the truck a few days so they can drive it themselves. Perhaps you can work out a deal to get a free loaner for those days? A Lincoln dealer will usually go to great lengths to keep you happy.

    Good luck!
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
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  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Well, I'm sure you all missed me, but I'm back. Took a 3 week business/charity fund-raising trip and returned last night. Why is this relevant? Because I took the trip in my 2004 Navigator. Drove from Santa Cruz, California to Louisville, Kentucky on a straight line and then meandered back. Total of 6000 miles in 3 weeks. I honestly don't know if I could have done it without the Nav. It is so comfortable. ANd it rides real quiet (mine does anyway) The navigation system was indispensible, the heated and cooled front seat buttons both got plenty of use, the moonroof, the rear vents, the beautiful white LED guages, etc etc, make this a wonderful vehicle to drive on a long trip.

    Oh, and did I mention I was towing an appx 8000 pound toy-hauler RV the whole way? Zero problems with the Navigator, though the toy hauler blew 3 tires over the course of 6000 miles. THat was fun. My total expenditure for lodging over the 3 weeks was $30.04, thanks to the RV. My total expenditure for gasoline was too much to talk about. With the 8000 lbs on the back, 10 mpg is a lofty goal. Gasoline costs across the country are just too screwy to understand. Here in Cal where much of the gas is refined etc, premium was close to $3.00/gallon when I left. It stayed in the $2.75-3.00 range until I got to Kansas, IIRC, when it dropped below $2.50. In the southern states like KY and TENN it was down to $2.25 or so. I think the least I paid was $2.08 in KY.

    I really love this truck. Unfortunately unless I get a job soon, it HAS to go.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    So, you folks are going to "improve" the site again are ya? Keep on improvong it and no one will be around anymore.

    You're going to *be shutting down the general make/model discussions and work exclusively with specific issues* ?? And this is supposed to HELP? After all this time you have been jumping on posters for starting new topics which do nothing but clutter up the selection menus, now you are telling us to do exactly that - clutter it all up- AND you're going to remove the individual vehicle discussions? So now instead of going to a "Lincoln Navigator" discussion, I must choose from tens to hundreds of topics like "Lincoln Navigator guages - pre 2007" or "Lincoln Navigator guages 2003-2006" or "Lincoln Navigator cup holder locations" as examples??? THis will truly be a mess. Well, this site has gone straight downhill since it first began so I'm not surprised. It used to be easy and informative. Now it is a nightmare to get information about a vehicle without jumping from one page to another, (and don't forget to select a COLOR or we won't tell u any more about the car) being inundated with ads and links to competitive vehicles etc. But at least the discusson boards have been helpful and easy-to-use. Until now. What took you all so long to get around to screwing these up anyway?

    All IMHO of course.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
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  • I ust bought an 04 on Dec 1st to replace my 00 Navigator. The morning of the 2nd and teh 3rd the very same thing happened to me. What did you do to fix the problem?
  • I had no trouble with my navigator until yesterday I stopped at a stop sign and when I started again the vehicle shook like crazy when I let off the gas it quit. It done it for a while then stopped. It does it on occasion. Especially pulling a hill. Anyone else have this problem?
  • I just replaced the suspension module so that my compressor would start on its own and we replaced a part that broke on the hose, but the back of my truck still will not come up. At one time we were manually running the compressor to the battery because the module was bad and my compressor is really loud. Does anyone have any ideal what could be wrong?
  • What is the largest size tire that will fit without changing rims and without them rubbing when turning?
  • rshakrshak Posts: 3
    ok here is my situation...I have a 2001 lincoln navigator w/some 24 inch as i was pulling out in reverse (wheels turned mind you) my truck just shut that. well it was still in gear so i tried to crank it up no luck, put in park tried to crank it up no luck the gears were locked...everything works but the truck wont crank. it is like it starts to crank but will not catch to crank up...PLEASE HELP!! lady in distress.... my freaking truck is at the dealership now and they are draining my pockets b/c they cant figure out what is wrong with my truck. they tried a new key but that did not work either.
  • rshakrshak Posts: 3
    i have some 24 inch 305/35/24 tires on my truck...not that much of a problem till today--GO FIGURE!!
  • tyler10tyler10 Posts: 4
    i have an 2002 navigator and i was wondering if i could get a keyless entry remote for my car? how do i program it?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,018
    Your owner's manual should have instructions on how to program all of the remotes at the same time. You can buy the remotes from the dealer or ebay. Just make sure it's the right one - there are some differences in the various remotes.
  • When mom turned on her 2000 nav this morning, it turned on for about 5 seconds then turned off. After that it would not start again. It doesn't seem to be a battery problem. There was a hose not connected to teh back of the air filter cover, but we re-connected it, tapped on some random wires, and were able to get it to start again for about 5 seconds before it again turned off. The tach needle is all the way past the 6, and the speedometer needle is past the 100. Even when teh key is off.

    Apparently the check engine light came on while mom was out of town, and she called our local dealer, who told her it would probably be fine to drive back home (over 700 miles). That was the beginning of last week, and it has only been driven a little since she got home before it wouldn't start this morning.

    Any ideas on what could cause it not to start? Any ideas would be appreciated.
  • My 1998 Lincoln Navigator air bag light on the dash is on, after I was randomly pulling 10 and 15 amp fuses trying to clear a misfire code from a bad coil. How do I get the airbag light out
  • Does anybody know if you can swap out the THX premium 6CD radio with the Sirus in the 2007 Navigator / Expedition and replace it with the Navigation unit or has done it before?

    SUV comes with DVD, Satellite, Premium Sound and THX so if the CAN-bus does not have problems, the connectors are there and you can also swap the rear view mirror for the one with the mic it should work. Any Ford tech's out there...looking through the shop manuals, but want to make sure. Found a great deal on a used one, but it is missing this option only. I am better with transmission repairs.

  • I have a 2006 navigator that has the stock HID's low beams. I'll like to put HID's on my fog lights that would match with the stock HID color. Does anyone knows what color HID the factory head lights are?
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