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GMC Yukon / Yukon Denali



  • It is not that I (speaking for myself) don’t know where the air-to-oil tranny cooler “SHOULD” be located. I am stating that my option list (in the glove box) shows “RPO-KNP” otherwise known as air-to-oil tranny cooler; however, in my visual inspection it does not exist. For the record, the only place I have NOT looked for the cooler is up in the area where the spare tire is stored. Should it be there…unless there is a design needed to keep the spare from over heating…I don’t think so.

    Therefore…I ask…How many people on the board have 2004 Denali (shorty) with RPO-KNP in their glove box yet have no cooler. By the way, I had my salesman (all the time him bragging that he knows everything about Yukons) show me that the A/C condenser is the tranny cooler. Idiot.

    Thanks for your help!
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    may be built into the radiator. Compare a 1500 std vehicle radiator to a Denali and look for extra tubes running into the Denali radiator.
  • lobsenza, not sure what you are getting at. Supposedly (according to the brochure that I read) BOTH Yukon and Denali have the tranny cooler as standard.

    FWIW, the aftermarket (maybe B & M Transmissions) sells not only super duty tranny coolers but nice external, spin on tranny filter kits. I think if one were to pull a horse trailer or a large boat regularly this would be worth adding on. If just $150 worth of a filter kit and filter changes prolonged the tranny life by 15K that would be well worth it. (And you probably would no longer own it at that point.)
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    I get mixed up. The engine oil cooler or trans cooler is part of the radiator. It is on the Denali and 2500 series. Look at the radiators and you will see a difference (at least there was one when I bought in 2001).
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Can come built a couple of ways. If designed in the mfr will take advantage of the coolant radiator by running the tranny lines into a separate section taking advantage of the existing radiator fins etc... They can also "add it" by placing a second (smaller) radiator usually in front of the coolant radiator. The ones who integrate them usually expect that their rigs will be used for a lot of towing etc. so in the long run its cheaper to integrate with the coolant radiator.
    I've had both styles.
    Rigs often have both tranny and oil coolers integrated into the single radiator.
  • Can I get some help understanding the concept of deleting the "Locking Rear End" and replacing with "Stabilitrac". Why can the vehicle have both. The way I see it, they serve two different functions! Yes?

  • I'm interpreting your comment to mean 'why not have both a locking differential and stabilitrac'?. In theory, Stabilitrac performs the same function as the locking differential by controlling torque distribution to the wheel with traction. This is the same purpose a limited/locking differential serves, so having both would duplicate this effort and add an unnecessary expense.
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    will help in any kind of slide situation, not just from a stop. I tested a car on a wet closed track with a stability control system. First with it in and then with it off. It is unbelievable how much stability control helps. It clearly can assist in avoiding accidents.
  • I just compared Edmunds TMV on a used 2002 Denali and a 2002 Yukon SLT. Wow! There is a 6K spread which is close to the maybe 8K-9K spread between a typical 2004 SLT and a Denali when new.

    If my quick look at Edmunds TMV is correct, it looks like the Denali holds its value well and the used market isn't valuing it as a tarted up Tahoe/Yukon. Or, am I preaching to the choir?
  • When I traded my 2001 Denali for the 2003 Denali, I got money back on the trade. Getting money back from a dealer trade is something that frankly, I had not expected. (In fact, the truck was pre-sold - the dealer called me to enquire if I could bring in the 2001 before the scheduled date that the 2003 would be ready. Go figure....) It would seem that the Denali does in fact hold its value.
  • huma1huma1 Posts: 5
    hi all, its helpful reading the posts on this board. i am thinking of buying a 2001 denali with 36k on it for $30,000 edmunds says it is worth 32,500 from a dealer. its in great shape has 2 tvs and i spoke to the previous owner who said it was a great car no problems with it. i am buying it from a dealer. how do the numbers sound, any advice , t should i get the extended warranty, how do they hold up over time? thanks in advance for the help
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    The newer SUVs have an additional position on the headlight switch that my 2001 does not have. What is it for?
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Price is very reasonable. I sold my 2001 for $32k with 40k miles.
  • csi35csi35 Posts: 28
    Go to and pick your vehicle and year. Then click on view online order guide and then select New for 200X.
  • Take a look at the 2004 Edmunds TMV for Denali, Tahoe, Yukon, and E B Expy. Edmunds presents data based on actual retail transactions that adjusts the TMV by body color. Sure, we all know that green cars have a lower resale, but Edmunds puts a number on it and says that even when new a Denali in green is worth $128 less (than what?)and a Tahoe/Yukon in green is worth about $25 less.

    Now here is where it gets interesting. A silver Denali is worth $120 less while a silver Tahoe/Yukon is worth about $20 more. What, the presumably lower income Tahoe/Yukon buyers like silver more? In black it is reversed: a black Denali is worth $44 more and a black Tahoe/Yukon is worth $40 less. The Eddie Bauer Expy color-adjusted transactional prices track better with the Tahoe/Yukon than the Denali. This probably isn't a surprise because the sale prices are similar and presumably the buyer's income, education, etc.

    While numbers usually don't lie, I see a lot of silver cars in rental fleets and those guys buy with resale in mind.
  • There is no true "silver" offered on the Denali. Yes, I know "Quicksilver" was added in '04, but it is more pewter than gray. In fact, this is what replaced the pewter metallic offered in previous years. A possible explanation is that a "silver" Denali is worth less because it was re-painted.
  • They tend to generalize the colors (Toreador Red and the bright Red, quite different colors on Ford pickups, just became "Red" in the ratings), so I would guess that anything silverish to gray becomes "silver." If they didn't, then the ratings would be useless from the endless categories of colors and color names as manufacturers monkey with the available choices.

    BTW, are you an Ivy League Filipino? Just curious as my wife is from Mindanao (thus the flag choice).
  • cornellpinoy, yes, in 04 Denali is available in "Silver Birch Metallic" which to my eyes is as silver as silver gets.

    I"m suprised though that no one commented that the (presumably) lower income Tahoe/Yukon/Expy buyers preferred the silver not the black, red and not the white compared to the Denali buyers. There's got to be a Master's Thesis is these data for someone.
  • 4burb4burb Posts: 55
    I agree, the new SBM color GM has is almost just as pewter as last years.
    Not trying to start an argument, to each their own but why would you say that buyers of the Tahoe/Yukon/Expy make less income (presumably)? Maybe they just have other things they would rather spend it whatever they tow or the place next to the lake or in the mountains they tow it to. Just curious. By the way, I choose a 4WD Burb w/locking diff over the Denali. My uncle has the Denali XL in the family.
  • 4burb asks the right question. You cannot assume much about economic status by the vehicles folks drive. Think about how many luxury cars sit in apartment complex lots.

    Some people, like myself, might value a home over vehicles (we put more of our available money into our home and have so far lived with only one vehicle for our 4-person family - 2 drivers).

    My neighbor owns a maybe $300,000 home (this is Texas so the value is really good!) and has probably $120,000+ in original-cost vehicles for his 3-person household (3 vehicles for 2 drivers).

    You will find some very wise investment folks with resources way beyond what I will ever accumulate who drive 10-year-old cars because they aren't unduly influenced by status vehicles' allures.

    I would also hazard a guess that far too many people are "upside down" in their vehicles perhaps in foolishly trying to drive beyond their means.

    It all makes me remember what Mom said the word "assume" breaks down into.... ;-)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    A $300,000 home in Texas has about the same square footage as a $600,000 home in Denver area. Worse still is that same $300,000 mansion in Texas would cost at least 2 or 3 million in most of California.
         Hard to understand as Texas is a nice place to live.
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    assuming that we live in a world with budgets. In that world, certain guys are going to buy a tahoe to fit their ways and means. An upscale guy might indeed choose a denali or Escalde for status and to have a higher optioned vehicle. This might even be a socio-economic fact, but there are exceptions. I am an exception. I wanted the bigger Denali engine for fun. Plus, my wife, who makes much more than me, (a humble teacher) drives a yukon SLT.
  • Hey guys, you are all right. The world is full of the all-flash, no-cash guy who is over his head and upside down in (probably leased) vehicles. On the other hand, for another perspective look at the New York Times best seller, The Millionaire Next Door. The people with real net worth tend to invest, not spend, and often are going to work in pickup trucks.

    Having said that, there is a significant correlation between income level and which car you drive. We know that there is a relationship between which area of the country you live in and the color car you prefer. We also know that some cars sell predominantly in a few specific colors (e.g., a lot of S Class Mercedes seem to be black; E and other Class Mercedes seem to be in silver; lots of Navigators seem to be in Black, etc.). What I didn't realize was that for quite similar (except for transaction price) SUVs there would be a systematic difference in color preference.
  • I agree. Certainly it is true that some general conclusions can be drawn wrt vehicle choice. If there weren't, then ad agencies are only selling the illusion that they know how to target an appropriate audience. Oh wait! That is what they are selling!?! Ok, well, never mind that....

    But, of course, assumptions about a specific person's economic state based on what vehicle s/he drives or attempting to predict what a specific individual might choose if you know their socio-economic status are bound to be wrong with fair regularity.

    Another thing that complicates things is that these associations tend to change over time. For instance, when I first moved to the Dallas area (from overseas) almost 6 years ago, I noticed that white seemed to be the single most dominant color of vehicles on the roadways. That made sense to me since that color would do best in staving off the relentless Texas summer heat. Perhaps significantly (or perhaps not!), that was the last year of a string of hotter-than-average Summers.

    The last few years have been somewhat cooler. Whether for that reason or changing tastes, I have since noticed that white no longer is so dominate here and other colors are vying for the top spot (though they seem more evenly distributed amongst more colors).

    OK then, class, what are the sociological implications to the Denali (that being the topic)? ;-)
  • mtm13mtm13 Posts: 9
    I did some researching back into previous postings and most extended warranty discussions was from middle of last year. I have a '02 Denali that unfortunately has been racking up the miles - although it has performed flawlessly. I want to get an extended warranty before the factory is up and what my local GMC dealer is quoting is absurd.

    Has anyone else bought either the GM Major Guard plan or other non-GM extended warranties lately?

    I would also be curious to see if there are specific plans that have better item coverage than others? If anyone has researched this lately, I could really benefit from some hands on advice.

  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    I purchased a Chrysler extended warranty on my 01 Denali. GM warranty was too high and I was concerned about aftermarket warranty companies, so this was a good compromise.
  • On the other hand, I went with the GM Protection Plan. Yes, it was more expensive than other plans. However, the one thing that sold me on the GMPP was the short list of excluded wear and tear items - if it ain't specifically excluded, it is covered. I had a bad experience with another plan (the identity of which will be withheld - it was a very large company, however) that denied coverage on an alternator bearing that was failing, but had not completely failed. I was not willing to roll the dice on getting stranded when the bearing finally decided to go on holiday and had the bearing replaced - at a cost of $250 (!!!). (Labor rates in the S.F. Bay area are so high....)
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Shop the GM dealers, I've bought several and they can offer different discounts. The last one I bought was a 6 year/100k $0 deductible for about 50% off their original offer. I noticed some dealers use it as incentive and others as a money maker.
    I also tried a "Non-automanufcturer" warranty about 12 years ago and had to fight for every claim.
    I never had to use the GM policy I purchased on my 2001 Denali and I got probably 75% of it refunded when I sold the vehicle. (you can also pay a fee to transfer it to the new owner.)
  • ezraponezrapon Posts: 348
    I don't know if its a by-product of drive by wire or transmission programing, but, my downshift or passing gear seems to have a mind of its own. One day when I really nail it under 30, it kicks down and pulls like a vette. The next time absolutely nothing happens but more gas. Same scenario at hiway speeds. One day it drops a gear or two and I make a smooth merge, the next time... nothing, just bogs down with more throttle. It is actually kind of dangerous when its unpredictable. This is on dry roads. I don't believe the traction control is a factor.
  • avolvofan, wow! Throwing in a rebuilt Delco small case, single wire alternator should be a 30 minute job plus $45 for the alternator.
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