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Subaru Forester (up to 2005)



  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    An occasional pinging under load (like when accelerating or going uphill) is okay but if it's doing it constantly you risk damaging the engine. I can't remeber, have you tried 89 octane and did the pinging go away?

    -Frank P
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    My 01 OB pings on 89 octane, mostly under load when the engine is reving low. I thought about changing the O2 sensor(s) to see if it helps. Knock sensor was changed by SOA after CEL. Not too worried about it.

  • spartspart Posts: 4
    I have tried 93 and it has gone away...I haven't tried 89 yet.
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    I visited a local Subie dealer (which shall remain nameless) this past Friday and was informed that production of the '05 Foresters had yet to begin in Japan and would not begin "for several months." No explanation or elaboration given.

    I don't place much credence in that statement given the rep's inability to elaborate. Further, that doesn't explain the red '05 Bob Holland and I saw at the Philly Flower Show earlier this year - unless that car was a pre-production prototype.

  • rwitterwitte Posts: 12
    ...or the handful of '05 LLBean Foresters I saw at a Subaru dealer (in Indy) on Sunday...

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What they're really saying is "please buy an '04 before the new ones arrive".

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    You took the words right out of my mouth! :-)

  • caperosiercaperosier Posts: 58
    OK all you auto body mavens: how does the headlight for an 01 Forester come out and be replaced.
    The "penny wise" (and yeah, "pound foolish" is assumed) aftermarket one leaked and filled w a couple of inches of water. Yes, it was kind of fun watching lamps blow from the water hitting the hot lamp. The real, live OEM Subaru headlight [non-permissible content removed]'y is ready on the rear seat.

    Anyone with experience removing this and replacing the same ? This hack would enjoy some graphics if available. Any offical manual instructions ? Please, very specific directions. There're many bolts, screws, tabs. A grill. A parking/signal light. Whew ! Those plastic tabs look easy to break.
    Thanks. Downeast thanks you.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I can only offer that the grill comes off pretty easily. IIRC, there's four tabs holding it on at the top. If this mechanically challenged person can get it off without breaking any of the tabs then I'm confident that you can!

  • zmanzman Posts: 200
    A salesman at Van Bortel Subaru told me the first allocations of regular '05 Foresters are slated for mid-July, ostensibly to be in the dealerships around early to mid August. The LL Beans apparently will be distributed earlier, if they haven't already been released (sounds like they have in some parts of the country).

    He's always been a pretty reliable source, and he's one of the few salesmen I've met who really knows and has a passion for the vehicles!

    Well, maybe I can coax one more summer in Maine out of my Volvo--we live at the end of a pretty long and bumpy dirt road. It will give me just that much more time to try to convince my wife that we should get the XT rather than the XS (at least I talked her out of the Honda Element).

    Finally, what is ETC (new on the '05 2.5i) and what exactly does it do?

  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Thanks, Zman!

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    ETC = Electronic Throttle Control (no more throttle cable)

    By the way, do you have a brother named Karl? There's someone posting in the Future Models whose user ID is Zman3. It'd be quite the coincidence if you're not related ;-)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    One new Town Hall member works at a dealer and I think he said he saw an LL Bean model, if you had specific questions for him. He's lurking around in several topics, and if I "see" him I'll refer him to this thread.

    To get to the headlight remove the grille first, as Frank said. I think it's bolted down in 3 places IIRC. Removing the grille reveals a bolt at the bottom, I think.

    Sorry, it's been about 3 years since I did it and I took no pics (and I usually do).

  • zmanzman Posts: 200
    Thanks for the info on the ETC.

    Karl and I have chatted from time to time, but no, we're not related. Nevertheless, we both have asked the same question online: where are Zmen 1 & 2?

    What are folks getting for mpg on the XS-MT?

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mine is a '98 L, but I average 25 mpg with it. Best is 30.4mpg, worst was 17.3 mpg while towing.

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I averaged 26.5 mpg with my 01 S but that was with an 80% hwy commute. Best was just over 30 and worse was in the low 20s (like Juice I was towing).

    The XT gets about 15% less mpg across the board (best, worst & avg).

  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    XS 5MT 80/20 highway city, typically about 27.5. As low as 25.5, as high as 31 (all highway). My summer mpg are 1-2 mpg lower than the winter (ac factor--I had 29 mpg when I sweated a week to find out why my mpg had dipped so low). 21k on car now.

  • caperosiercaperosier Posts: 58
    Success...w muchissimo words at/for/on the engineers.
    Grill does come off w some fussing. Those tabs or snaps are worth the design engineer going to a warm hell.
    Then the parking light [non-permissible content removed]'y slips (sic) off. Then the headlight [non-permissible content removed]'y with the tabs and bolts.
    BTW: that same engineer designs those tabs in a dark room: no two are the same.
    Appreciate the assist guys. But count on more than the "book" time for a first run.
  • bblachabblacha Posts: 160
    Thanks for the 05 info zman.

    ETC is supposed to improve fuel economy. I think I read somewhere it accomplishes that by preventing a wider throttle opening than is warranted by the RPM and other factors. Subaru claims that it has a MORE natural response than direct-link (I haven't tried it yet.)
  • spikeitspikeit Posts: 2
    04 XS MT - getting about 23 mpg. Probably 90/10 city/hwy. I only have about 5700 miles on it though and the mpg has been creeping up since I bought it last October. My best has been about 28 mpg.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    Car and Driver, in the latest issue, did reviews of both the '05 Outback XT and the SAAB 9-2X a.k.a. Impreza WRX.
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    the 9-2X Arc is when loaded up it hits STi terrirory. Id still rather a WRX wagon anyway. Leather is not comfortable to me in the weather extremes I experience in PA (hot in summer cold in winter) I'd rather a cloth interior anyway. One thing I would like to know is if the 9-2X can have a sunroof why cant the WRX wagon? I mean they are basically the same car as far as I can tell.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the '03 got throttle-by-wire, they just reprogrammed it for '05. If mileage improves for the XT, fantastic. I'd love to see the X and XS improve as well, as the Outback has.

    GM probably strong armed FHI into that moonroof (and all-weather package) deal for Saab.

  • rsay777rsay777 Posts: 100
    I've always liked the idea of amber turn signals (Suby norm?) as opposed to red. I think they are more noticeable. I was behind a Baja the other day and noticed that the rear turn signals are red. Why would Subaru make the Baja different? Bob L.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 857
    ..fuel costs, their upward spiral, et al - -
      It is refreshing to note the range 26 - 31 MPG for an (altho uniquely small) SUV..........

    Now (using all the techniques (roof rack purge, tire pressure up, cruise, highway, reasonable speed) anyone crack 32.

    The adjusted for the masses EPA highway figure (were the truth to be known) is really only .78X

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    IIRC I think one or two owners have attained 31 mpg but don't recall anyone hitting 32. However I'm sure under ideal conditions and using all the techniques you described, 32 is reachable.

  • 10years10years Posts: 48
    Don't forget the synthetic oil component. I started with MOBIL l about 2,000 miles ago and believe I'm getting 1-2 mpg better. Since the switch I'm averaging 27.7 mpg (80% highway/20% city) on the 03 X with AT at 17,000 miles. Roof Rack Intact. :o)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Why is Baja different? Maybe they thought truck buyers were more accustomed to the common-on-domestics red lights?

    ez: FWIW I got my 30.4 mpg best-ever with the roof rack cross bars in place.

    What's also interesting is that I have bigger than stock tires, so when I say I average 25 mpg, I'm actually traveling about 1.3% farther than my odometer reading.

    Of course that's presuming the odo is accurate in the first place...

    I actually recall someone once reported mileage in the 33s, but only once.

  • leo2633leo2633 Posts: 589
    I hit that once. Exactly 32.00 MPG, but that was when my '01 S 5 speed was new, and I was babying it during the first 1000 mile break-in period. I cracked 30 MPG twice shortly thereafter, but never again since then. Of course, I don't baby it anymore (93K miles and counting). I average 26-27 MPG nowadays during summer driving, and only 22-24 during winter months, when we're forced to use the "winter blend" of gas here in New Jersey.

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