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  • gweilogweilo Posts: 118
    I have noticed a lot of complaints about GM paint not being durable(see Impala, Vibe forum and Does the Ion or other Saturns suffer from this?
    Is the variable transmission(Vti) on the various Saturns holding up?
  • saskheatsaskheat Posts: 12
    Saturn uses a different painting process vs GM's regular one. This is due to a water bourne process. I think its because of the plastic panels on the side body. As for durability...judge for yourself. I have never seen on old saturn with large peeled sections of paint missing like the rest of the big Four. Come to think of it I have never seen an older saturn look really crappy in the paint department ever.
    As for the Vti. They are doing miserably. Read some of the other postings in this forum. I heard the ION was delayed in implementing it because of problems with the Vti in the vues. Save yourself the headache and go for the v-6 with the traditional hydraulic tranny. Saturn Dealers are very slow to admit the Vti has problems, but if you call them on it enough they'll usually confirm "Other dealers" have had some problems.
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Posts: 233
    My wife was just in an accident with her VUE where an RV made a lane change right into her (it was in a construction zone, and the RV driver did not follow the correct path and came across the lane. All invlolved are fine).

    The impact was a side-swipe, but was enough to shatter the rear window. The amazing thing is that the paint and the Saturn side panels took it and still look like new! When I first saw it, I thought "Oh noooo", but it turns out that the paint from the RV came off and our VUE held up perfectly. So we just buffed out all the marks ourselves, and the only thing we need to do is take it in to get a new window.

    Had it been my Toyota Sienna, I'm sure the metal would have caved in. That thing gets door dings if you just look at it funny.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    carguy : Sorry to hear about the accident. Glad your wife is ok. Can it be fixed or is it a w/o?

    ketch : Glad you are enjoying the VUE. Saw quite a few of them up north in cottage country this past week. I think it may come down to a VUE, Maxx or Equinox for our next vehicle.

    saskheat : Congrats on the new VUE. I read a review of the CVT / VTi in CarGuide last month and they were very complimentary in the article. Have heard of a few issues for some early ones, but I think they are generally ok.
  • ems1ems1 Posts: 48
    Got deal I could not pass up on a '03 AWD Ecotec CVT trans. Vue. 0% interest + $1000 end of year discount + $1000 Saturn loyalty discount + $1000 GM card discount + $500 conquest discount. Total $3500 plus the 0% worth about $2400. Also, they gave me $1300 more for my 98 Venture trade-in than other dealer offers. I've been driving it for a week now and I'm really surprised by how well it performs for a small engine in a heavy vehicle. I was also shopping the 4 cyl. Highlander but the numbers worked out to about $9000 more. I can do with a bit less refinement and a inch or two here and there in the interior for $9000. I just hope Saturn has the transmission bugs worked out. I talked to the service mgr. and he claims they have never had "significant problems, a few isolated cases" with the early CVT trans. and that there are no issues now.
  • vuefor2vuefor2 Posts: 490
    I think the CVT Vues are fine. I was talking to my sales rep about them the other day and he said they have had a few small issues initially but nothing major. Typically just some "minor adjustments" he said.

    I prefer the V6 regardless though, more power is nice to have.
  • ems1ems1 Posts: 48
    Glad to hear you heard basicly the same thing about the CVT.
    Can't disagree that more power is nicer but we do 95% of our mileage in the city, rarely getting over 50 mph. So the 4 will be adequate.
    I almost bought the v6 anyway but decided on the 4 because of the good reputation that engine has and the fact that the current v6 was going to be discontinued. Also, I like to do most of maintenance on the vehicle and the 4 is just sooo much easier to work on.
  • littlovelittlove Posts: 4
    Tomorrow morning I must decide to buy either a 2003 Saturn Vue AVD 4dr w/ power package, on star communications system, ABS for $22610 w/$2250 cash back (dealer plus graduate program)


    2003 Kia Sedona LX w/ABS, roof rack, and rear spoiler for $20,700.

    Both finance at 0 percent.

    Any suggestions as to what you think is better. I can't explain simply why these two vehicles....I guess mostly because the price is in my range....and I need some room to move about but do not necessarily need a van yet (only one baby at this time)...

    Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    What a decision! I was expecting you to say that it was between the VUE and a CR-V or something. Is that VUE for $22,600 after the cash back, or will your price be $20,360? Is the VUE a 4 or 6 cyl? I assume it has the 4 cyl since you are buying the power package--isn't that standard on 6 cyl models? That is tough. How long do you keep your vehicles? If this is a short term thing, get the VUE as its resale should be higher than the Sedona. If you plan on keeping it (and a 100k mi warranty helps with that) then the Sedona may be the way to go. The space will be needed when child number 2 comes along. Either will have positives, and they both have negatives. Drive them both and get the one you are most comfortable driving. Buy the one you see as a better fit for your family down the road and you should do just fine. Good luck to you!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Don't like the Sedona because of the horrendous gas mileage and I still don't trust Kia after driving in a Sportage only 2-3 years ago. What a crap box that was. Saturn service will definitely not get matched at Kia and if you hate the VUE, you can always return it in 30 days.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Agree the service will be better for Saturn. The Sedona, though, has held up pretty well, has it not? As the owner of a new Ion, I would love to hear this guy choose the VUE; but, he must get the vehicle that will best suit his needs--not only today but in the future as well. Of course, that's my opinion, I could be wrong.
  • jamesle1jamesle1 Posts: 4
    Has anyone heard of any problems with the V-6
    to cause it to be discountinued. I know about the
    Honda 3.5 coming
  • ems1ems1 Posts: 48
    I just bought the Vue last week. I was considering the Sorento, CRV, Rav4 and Highlander.
    The Vue was the best deal for me. Unless you are going to do a lot of towing or off roading, the horrible gas mileage of the Sorento does not make any sense. The Sorento weighs nearly 1000 lbs more than the Vue and has about the same interior space. I did like the Sorento interior better though. Agreeing with Dindak, Saturn has the best the best service.
  • saskheatsaskheat Posts: 12
    Littlove: It shouldn't be much of a choice between the Saturn or Kia. Just look around at Korean quality in cars. I've seen more late model Hyundais with big blue clouds behind them then seems acceptable. The Koreans can't make a vehicle within 1/10 of the quality that the Japanese can, so don't expect it to be a Budget Honda. I'd run not walk from a Korean made vehicle dealer. Especially if you are planning to keep it past warranty.

    EMS1: WOW did you ever get a smoking deal. I wish we had the 0% financing here in Canada. I was watching the news early in the week and GM with all of its subdivisions were reporting a surplus of 300,000 new vehicles in stock over what is normal. I bet the firesale will continue when other manufacturers jump into the mele'.

    Dindak: When I was in the dealership just before committing to a Vue, the salesman was telling me that Saturn was pulling the 30-Day no hassle return policy soon. He was expecting it without notice any time. I got a 30 Day-Return policy on mine and it was in writing, but others considering a new Saturn make sure you ask for it and get it in writing. I'm positive he wasn't just trying to pressure me as the return policy wasn't an issue for me in buying the vehicle and he knew it. I researched vehicles for over 6 months (driving everything) and he knew I was willing to buy a Tribute/Escape even without a return policy. His return plan was just extra Lemon insurance for me.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Isn't Saturn using the Honda V6 for better mpg? It's kind of funny, IMO, that Honda would sell this engine to Saturn since the VUE and CR-V compete head to head.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I'm not arguing your post at all regarding Saturn vs Kia. I'm a 3 time Saturn owner myself. My whole point, though, was that this guy needs to drive and buy what he likes the most and what will best suit his family's needs--whether we would buy the same thing or not is irrelevant.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    uga91 : Honda and GM did a deal a couple of yeas ago to swap engines for transmissions. The 3.5L was suppose to go into a new Saturn vehicle which got shelved so Saturn put it into the VUE. Nothing wrong with the 3.0L at all.

    sask : I agree, Korean cars generally finish near the bottom of reliability surveys. Kia is worse that Hyundia. Odd they would pull the 30 day money back guaranty.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Which did he choose?
  • saskheatsaskheat Posts: 12
    uga91: My point is very simple. You get what you pay for. If litlove is expecting a KIA to be a Honda at a bargain price, he's going to be sadly disappointed....especially if he keeps it past warranty. I agree with Dindak Korean cars are the least reliable things on four wheels next to Ex- Soviet Block automakers...which brings me to another point. Isn't the Saturn CVT Tranny made in Hungary???
  • mmspealmmspeal Posts: 122
    Well, trip to the dealership #6 was about a month ago to have the deflector re-attached. They've completely replaced it twice - thankfully I had it installed before I took delivery so it falls under the new vehicle warranty! Don't have to worry about it coming loose anymore though - I was cruising along the QEW just outside Toronto on the weekend and it took flight - right up over my VUE and smashed all over the highway a few lanes over and behind me. Thankfully it didn't hit another car (if you've ever driven the QEW you will understand how amazing that is). The dealership still tells me I am the only one they've had problems with ... come on ... someone else out there please tell me you've had problems keeping the Saturn hood deflector on the vehicle !!!

    Anyway ... other than that, I'm at 31 000 clicks and still not an issue to speak of on the 4 cyl. 5 speed.
  • vuefor2vuefor2 Posts: 490
    Littlove ::: Stay away from Kias. From what I have seen, people get sucked in by low prices and then they pay later with replacement parts as everything is low end under the hood. As was mentioned the motor in the Sedona is very inefficient also.

    EMS1 ::: Ya, I like V6 power in an SUV. One of the reasons we went with a Vue instead of a CR-V. We bought before they had 0% so incentives were not part of our buying decision. No regrets, we love our Vue!!!!!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Anyone know if the 04's are available yet?
  • Just an update. Saturn put a motor mount in my Vue to solve the rumbling in reverse. I have not noticed it since it was put in. The motor mount is their way of solving the problem and so far so good. My hood deflector blew off a few weeks ago. The dealer told me the new style replacement will be in by the end of October. That is all for now and I can now see why Saturn service beat out every other car manufacturer.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I found the base V6 pricing in Canada will be C$28800, up C$895 (about U$640) from 2003. Looks like the 3.5L will indeed be boosting prices.
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Posts: 233
    Remember that the 3.5 is just one of a laundry list of updates for the '04, including better interior noise suppression, upgraded safety features, auto-headlamps, etc, etc.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    That's true. I wish they would make ABS standard on the V6 models though.

    If the 3.5L FWD really can do about 20/28 mileage wise, it will still be a contender for our next vehicle. Another C$900 isn't going to kill me.
  • saskheatsaskheat Posts: 12
    I heard that the Honda Power Plant was going to increase the price by a couple of thousand not a few hundred. I'd be surprised if Honda is going to make a motor for a competitor that will out power and undercut its own SUV the CRV.

    Dindak: Why would you want to see ABS standard on all v-6's. All it would mean is a base price increase for everyone. They're not going to throw it in for free. The bloated starting price of Small SUV's is attributed to the auto makers stuffing them full of expensive options as standard equipment, forcing the customer to take (And pay for) stuff they dont nessicarily want or need. Smart marketing from the automakers...selling everything and maximizing profits on every sale. I'd probabally fall over dead if I actually knew how much Saturn marked up the Vue by putting in the compass in the rear view mirror.
    I bought a Vue and it was a huge selling point that I could get it without ABS. Why would I want to get soaked $900 for something that decreases my stopping distance. The dealers argue it also comes with traction control, but this is also a useless feature, especially in an AWD or FWD vehicle for that matter. I had my dealer bring in one specifically without ABS since I don't need it. Saturn Keep doing it like you are and offer ABS as an option, actually offer more flexibility for customers to pick options. Vehicles should be a personal choice not a cookie cutter assembly.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Don't know about you , but I like stopping in shorter distances. It's can save your butt, especially in the rain, snow and ice. Traction control is not useless as you claim either. Base models should keep it an option, but typically when ABS is standard the vehicle's price is not $900 more. Options always have a higher markup than the vehicle itself.

    I would NEVER buy a vehicle with out ABS and since Saturn is a "safety conscious" company, I kind of wish they made some safety items standard on their more expensive models.
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    History of the 3.5 Honda engine going into the VUE. (As I understand it - then again I'm just a salesman for a dealership so I only know what I read on the net)

    Honda wanted to get Izusu disel technology for Europe - and had extra capacity in Ohio for building the 3.5 liter engine - so Honda approached GM and a deal was struck.

    The 3.5 was going to be used in a 7 passenger VUE built on a stretched version of the current VUE platform. I believe this was code name 318B. I know it was approved, till Lutz came in and canceled it. Seems the potential volume did not justify the cost.

    Due to the contract already in place, Honda's 3.5 goes into the 04 VUE.

    Honda has no say in what GM does with the engine as far as I know.
  • afk_xafk_x Posts: 393
    Honda Pilot - 4416 lbs
    240 HP @ 5400 RPM
    242 TQ @ 4500 RPM

    0-60 8.5 seconds
    1/4 miles - 16.5 seconds

    Saturn VUE - 3478 lbs (AWD 3630)
    250 HP @ 5800 RPM
    242 TQ @ 4500 RPM

    0-60 7 seconds (est)
    1/4 mile 15.2 (est)
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