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  • aheckaheck Posts: 36
    Damn, that's a real bummer. I was waiting for the '04 to possibly get a Limited with both of these options. While I haven't driven a truck with the shocks, I hear they make for a nice ride driving around town. I won't be doing any off-roading. Will I really miss the X-REAS? Maybe I shouldn't even drive a truck with them so I don't know what I'm missing.

  • I haven't driven one without the X-REAS so unfortunately I can't compare. But I believe its biggest advantage is improving stability in 'sporty' driving, i.e. hard cornering. The nose doesn't dip down when I take it hard around a corner or make sudden movements. Makes the truck feel lighter than it really is.

    I don't think it really contributes to giving the truck a more cushy ride.

    Guess it depends on your driving habits. I'm coming off a sporty sedan so I enjoy that sort of driving.
  • aheckaheck Posts: 36
    Damn, that's a real bummer. I was waiting for the '04 to possibly get a Limited with both of these options. While I haven't driven a truck with the shocks, I hear they make for a nice ride driving around town. I won't be doing any off-roading. Will I really miss the X-REAS? Maybe I shouldn't even drive a truck with them so I don't know what I'm missing.

  • Are you sure about the X-Reas and 3rd row seat conflict? The way I read the 2004 e-Brochure, the Rear Height Control Air Suspension (with the X-Reas) is NOT available with the 3rd row seat. BUT, if you get X-Reas alone (w/o the air suspension control) you can definitely get that with the 3rd row seats on the Limited. I would definitely get the X-reas. You can really tell a difference on tight winding roads. I didn't get that on my '03 and I regret it.

    There is a conflict with a Navigation System and a 3rd row seat. You can't get both together. On my 2003 Limited, our Nav. system is above the right rear wheel well which probably will get in the way of the right rear 3rd row seat. That's unfortunate that they couldn't find another spot for the Nav. System.

  • PREMIUM UNLEADED IS RECOMMENDED, but all 4Runners will run quite fine on Regular Unleaded. Mileage should not vary between these two fuel types. You should not experience any knocking with either fuel type. I have noticed a slight performance boost when using Premium Unleaded, which is to be expected. Otherwise, you can save a little $$ by using Regular Unleaded. You will not harm the engine.
  • But isn't it true that the higher the octane, the better the mileage you get?
    If that's true, and regular fuel gives fewer miles per gallon, What $$ would we save?
  • I have the X-REAS system on my 2003 Sport. It wallows around corners while driving the mountain roads in Colorado. How do you know if the system is working properly?
  • Thanks yomols - I looked at katzkin's web site and they have a real good selection. Looks like I have to buy the kit first and then they will tell me who installs it in my area. Not bad price, around $1175 installed it said. The seats in the SR5 are so hard, with the aftermarket leather are the seats any softer? Thanks again.
  • No it isn't true....Premium Unleaded won't necessarily increase your mpg. You MAY notice a performance boost using Premium, but that doesn't mean that you will get better mileage.

    I've been using 87 and 89 Octane for the past 1500 miles and have averaged 23mpg on the highway and 17-18mpg in the city with a V8. MPG is most dependant on how you drive (jack rabbit starts, weather conditions, aggressive high speed driving, etc).

    There is alot of interesting facts from this site.

    From the site:

    The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline

    Are you tempted to buy a high octane gasoline for your car because you want to improve its performance? If so, take note: the recommended gasoline for most cars is regular octane. In fact, in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner’s manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won’t make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner. Your best bet: listen to your owner’s manual.

    The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel. This happens to a small percentage of cars.

    Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too. Premium gas costs 15 to 20 cents per gallon more than regular. That can add up to $100 or more a year in extra costs. Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need.

    What are octane ratings?
    Octane ratings measure a gasoline’s ability to resist engine knock, a rattling or pinging sound that results from premature ignition of the compressed fuel-air mixture in one or more cylinders. Most gas stations offer three octane grades: regular (usually 87 octane), mid-grade (usually 89 octane) and premium (usually 92 or 93). The ratings must be posted on bright yellow stickers on each gasoline pump.

    What’s the right octane level for your car?
    Check your owner’s manual to determine the right octane level for your car. Regular octane is recommended for most cars. However, some cars with high compression engines, like sports cars and certain luxury cars, need mid-grade or premium gasoline to prevent knock.

    How can you tell if you’re using the right octane level?
    Listen to your car’s engine. If it doesn’t knock when you use the recommended octane, you’re using the right grade of gasoline.

    Will higher octane gasoline clean your engine better?
    As a rule, high octane gasoline does not outperform regular octane in preventing engine deposits from forming, in removing them, or in cleaning your car’s engine. In fact, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency requires that all octane grades of all brands of gasoline contain engine cleaning detergent additives to protect against the build-up of harmful levels of engine deposits during the expected life of your car.

    Should you ever switch to a higher octane gasoline?
    A few car engines may knock or ping — even if you use the recommended octane. If this happens, try switching to the next highest octane grade. In many cases, switching to the mid-grade or premium-grade gasoline will eliminate the knock. If the knocking or pinging continues after one or two fill-ups, you may need a tune-up or some other repair. After that work is done, go back to the lowest octane grade at which your engine runs without knocking.

    Is knocking harmful?
    Occasional light knocking or pinging won’t harm your engine, and doesn’t indicate a need for higher octane. But don’t ignore severe knocking. A heavy or persistent knock can lead to engine damage.

    Is all "premium" or "regular" gasoline the same?
    The octane rating of gasoline marked "premium" or "regular" is not consistent across the country. One state may require a minimum octane rating of 92 for all premium gasoline, while another may allow 90 octane to be called premium. To make sure you know what you’re buying, check the octane rating on the yellow sticker on the gas pump instead of relying on the name "premium" or "regular."
  • gretsch,

    If you are in California, then you have no worries about the sulfur smell. California's has lower sulfur levels in their gas than any other state. Only people in like 10 or so states have commented on the sulfer problem.

  • For those of you that like the Stratosphere Mica color, indicates that 3rd row seat is not available.
  • vodgutvodgut Posts: 162
    I saw that, too. I found it interesting. There must be some weird refracting properies of that color that would cause the 3rd row seat to melt if the vehicle is in direct sunlight, otherwise they'd be able to offer the two together.
  • That information on determining when to use premium gasoline is outdated. Most engines now retard timing automatically when preignition is detected by the knock sensor. This is how many engines are able to use 87 octane gasoline without preignition. Their ignition timing will be retarded when that gasoline is used. Retarding ignition timing permits lower octane gas to be used.

    In reality, their optimum (default) ignition timing is dialed in by the computer when a higher octane gas is used. I have had a couple of cars that required 93 octane to run their best, both in performance and gas mileage. Both of these attributes suffered significantly when the owner's manual's recommendation on 87 octane fuel was followed. It was common knowledge that you needed 93 octane fuel to get the most from the engine. However, 87 was fine for undemanding driving.
  • Nick, I think the seats may be a bit more comfortable with the leather but I really didn't have a problem with the cloth seats, at least for comfort. I got em because I have dogs. Again the Katzkin is great, just check out the installer.
  • yomols -

    What color do you recommend? You probably had the same interior I did, the light grays with seats the looked like light patio furniture (sort of!) I was thinking a darker gray. I wonder if the interior guys could add more padding for leg support. Anyways, thanks again...
  • On the AVG MPH display, the average 25 MPH number never changes for my vehicle, the AVG MPG and fuel mileage range changes, has anyone notice this, or is it something I'm missing here?
  • It is outdated? I wasn't aware of that. Either way, I guess we are in agreement. I am aware of the knock sensors, which have been around for some time.

    Personal mileage will vary, but to my limited driving (1500 miles) thus far, I haven't seen any significant differences in fuel economy, but I do notice a bit more "get up and go" when using Premium Unleaded, but not enough to justify the additional 20 cents/gal. These days, with the price of gas pushing 1.99 for regular unleaded, every penny counts. :)
  • I have noticed that as well, but I don't think it's a glitch. The average mph indicator averages both highway and city driving. You can reset it at any time by pressing and holding the Mode button for a couple of seconds. The Avg MPH won't change much unless you make dramatic changes in your speed over a significant interval of time. You should experiment. For example, if you are driving on the highway, reset the display and you should see your display, for example, 55 mph (typical highway speed).
  • It is only outdated from the point of view that does not take into account variable ignition timing. In that case, you can run lower octane fuel and not get ping. Only your performance and mileage suffers. They make ping as the sign of needing higher octane (which is true) but don't admit that in some engines higher octane does give better performance. Performance (and to a lesser extent gas mileage) is a more modern indicator of your engine needing higher octane gas. The result of using low octane gas is just not as big a problem as it used to be with carbeurators with fixed ignition timing.
  • Interesting post by some regarding the pricing of Aviator closing to a 4 runner. I think if you are planning to lease the vehicle, therefore no need to worry too much about resale, It is a good idea to go with Aviator if the lease price is about the same.

    With a Ford Lease, you might be able to get some kind of loyoalty lease next time around. Plus, it is just much more luxury to drive a Aviator regardless how good Toyota quality is.
  • Had the same concern about the seat lumbar and elevation under the thighs. Presented the problem to my local upholstery shop and was told he can solve it very easily by in-filling/building up those areas to our satisfaction. Cost would be minimal.
  • mm3051 -

    I am interested in doing the same thing you are. Let me know if you get it done and how much higher the cushion is raised (and if it looks funky). These 45 minute commutes to and from work are killer on my leg, otherwise love the truck!
  • Is the ball mount included with the hitch plate or a separate purchase?

    How do you reset the maintenance light on the dash after an oil change?

  • Ah, I see. That makes sense.

    Here's a question. Has anyone out there used a product additive called "104+" or something similar? It supposedly increases octane to 104 and above.
  • 03 V6 4x4 SE

    Took it to the dealer-they milled the front rotors/pads. Dealer said "they see this alot in SUVs". This is a very hilly area, but I'm still a bit unhappy since the truck only had 3800m -and my driving style is very sedate.

    P.S. yes the ball is included with the truck-
  • This can be prevented by your driving style.
    warpage is caused by pads clamping on a hot rotor. When you come down a hill, after being on the brakes, and have to come to a full stop, the brakes are hot and we sit there and hold the brakes so the vehicle doesn't roll. Change this action to while you are stopped, let the car roll ~2', hold for a few seconds, roll another 2', repeat. This allows the pads to clamp to a different area of the rotor. Remember, the rotor is hot, the pads are cooler. When clamped, the pads cool that section of the rotor, while the other part of the rotor is still HOT. That causes warping.
    Sucks that you have to consider doing this, but that is the physics of it all.

    This was pointed out to me by being at the track and instructors warning folks to make sure when they come off the track, that they don't use their parking brakes, rather leave the car in 1st gear to keep it from rolling while parked.
  • Nick, I went with a light grey that matched the interior panels but the installer had 50 to 75 color samples including probably 5 or 6 greys. Obviously, go with the one you like. Don't know about adding padding. Good luck.
  • jbhncjbhnc Posts: 16
    Hi all,

      I have a 03 4runner. I was thinking about buying a hidden hitch tubular hitch to replace the factory. Will this give sufficient room in front of the spare tire to insert normal tongues (ie seems like most everything is too long behind the pin hole and hits the spare.)


  • thanks for the tip, i'll try it. 2.5 tons sure does roll well, so seems like im braking all the time-

    great truck, really enjoying it. smooth, quiet, great handling (XREAS).
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