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Toyota 4Runner



  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    ...does anyone know of any other good car audio/video forums...

    We don't promote other forums in the Town Hall. Try a Google search.

    tidester, host
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I found that the bar that holds the upper level of the two level cargo system can be easily removed. It works like a toilet paper roll holder. It can be removed by pushing in on one side and pulling in the spring loaded other side. (I don't remember this in the owner's manual.)
     Mine now lives in a closet.
     With the head rests removed, and the rear seats folded, and with the cargo holder rod removed, there is some real cargo space in the rear.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    I'd wager that is aftermarket leather put on by the dealer.

    Go back to Toyota's web site and select Vehicles/SUV/4Runner. Now select Models and Prices, then hit the Interior tab. In the table, you will see that leather seats are standard on the Limited and not an option on SR5 nor SE.

    There are aftermarket shops that put leather covers on seats and quite a few dealers will add aftermarket leather to vehicles.
  • You have to remove the headrests?
    My seats fold down with headrests on.
    My cargo cover also resides in the closet!
  • I recently bought a 2003 Toyota 4Runner Limited. I would like to know if anyone has solved the issue with the rear view mirrors being blurred. It seems to me at higher speeds it becomes even more of an issue. I will tell you gets real annoying. I am going to take it in but was wondering if anyone has discovered the fix. I have read on this board that Toyota says this seems to be a characteristic of the heated mirrors having the #8220;Rain Clearing Coating& #8221; (From The Factory) on the mirrors. Any suggestions would be great.

  • my keyless entry battery was dead and i replaced the battery, now the remote won't work...and i dont know why... the battery models are the same and everything....i put back the old battery and it still doesnt work...does anyone have a solution?

    maybe the remote signal is reseted when the battery is taken out and is operating at a different freq. than the car?...please help
  • Myself, I would AVOID any "finish protection package", and I would urge you to apply Zaino products yourself at the earliest opportunity. If you opt for Zaino, I would also urge you to carefully read the info. and FAQ at Zaino's web site before ordering products and proceeding. It may at first seem inconvenient to shell-out some $$ for the white Fieldcrest (or Cannon) towels, but it's worth it in the long run. Otherwise, Zaino products are really very easy to use, and also quite enjoyable for those who like weekend projects. In my opinion, the most common error one can make with Zaino products is to not trust their directions on how SPARINGLY their products should be applied, and to then apply too much. Remember, a little goes a long way, and if you apply too much, you're just wasting it, and the excess on your truck's finish will take much longer to dry. At any rate, take your time, follow the directions, and above all, have fun and enjoy the results!
  • You must be thinking of flying. ;0)
    The parameters are outside temp, AVG. MPG, Mileage range, and AVG. MPH.

    <Does the Toyota system give you an altitude and mph reading?>
  • Although I'm a flatlander, my older brother lives in the Blue Ridge Mtns., and I can tell you that ALTIMETERS (both analog and digital) are quite popular among those who live in, or occasionally travel to mountainous areas. (Highlander7's handle suggests that he might just live in such an area, don't you think?) These relatively inexpensive devices (when properly calibrated) give a good estimate of your elevation or altitude relative to sea level, and I do believe they basically work by measuring atmospheric pressure. So, smartypants, altimeters aren't just found in aircraft, they're also used in other applications (including driving, hiking, bicycling, and camping, to name a few) and Highlander7's question is perfectly reasonable in my opinion. Indeed, it would be pretty nifty if the 4Runner's digital information center contained a digital altimeter, as well as if it would then also include that same altitude data into the GPS Nav. display, since SUVs are (as you obviously know) popular among many avid outdoor enthusiasts.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    So, smartypants, altimeters aren't just found in aircraft, they're also used in other applications...

    Yes, but you weren't discussing altimeters. You were asking about altitude which is most commonly used as an aviation term as opposed to elevation which relates to terrain! :-)

    And, yes, a lot of people use altimeters to measure elevation!

    tidester, host
  • Tidester:

    *I* wasn't ASKING about altimeters; rather, I was DISCUSSING and describing them. Highlander7 asked about altitude, not me. Furthermore, my exerpted comment reads as follows: "...These relatively inexpensive devices (when properly calibrated) give a good estimate of your elevation or altitude relative to sea level..." Note the word "ELEVATION" here. (I included the word "altitude" because these devices are called "altimeters" and not "elevometers".) So there, smartypants!
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    LoL! You got me - I WAS just being a smarty pants!

    tidester, host
  • Galileo757 and Kheintz1,

    Thank you both for your responses, you have answered one of my questions. This is a great forum, you will get your answer and often share humor with all.

    Altitude, Height, Depth, Elevation, Rise, Height above Sea Level, Height above the ground, Loftiness ... just need to use the right choice of words.

    Both Garmin's Streetpilot III and eTrex Summit use the GPS 3D technology to give you an altitude reading. This would be a great option (elevation) for the folks that have the need for this. I have the type that uses barometric pressure, needs frequent calibration.
    And yes, I use this from the beach to the mountains. And in places like New Orleans and Death Valley you will get that DEPTH reading, below sea level.

    A GPS receiver must be locked on to the signal of at least three satellites to calculate a 2D position (latitude and longitude) and track movement. With four or more satellites in view, the receiver can determine the user's 3D position (latitude, longitude and altitude). Once the user's position has been determined, the GPS unit can calculate other information, such as speed, bearing, track, trip distance, distance to destination, sunrise and sunset time and more.


    My other question. Has anyone seen or used the backup camera?

  • I was trying to inject some humor into the answer, was not trying to be a smartypants. I have a backup camera in my 2003 4 runner, call it my 2nd seat passenger which will not work if its very cold or raining.
  • Galileo,

    I understand and really do appreciate your response, you answered my question. And thank you for the humor, it livens up the forum from time to time.

    When I asked this question to the salesperson and then the manager at my local Toyota dealership they had no idea of what I was asking. They probably thought to themselves why would anyone want this feature.

    Your contributions to this forum are excellent. Appreciate the input that this would be worthwhile using the GPS technology. I'm sure some folks would like other values like barometric pressure, relative humidity, dew point and severe weather alerts to be displayed on the GPS monitor. Maybe the next generation of these devices will offer more options. Of course watching the (in motion) radar of an approaching severe thunderstorm would be one more distraction the driver does not need. But I would like it!!
  • I live in Western New York and ordered an 04 SE 4 Runner about a month ago. I was wondering if anyone else has placed an order for an 04 (any model) and received an ETA. I've noticed that some 04's are scattered throughout the country, but haven't heard of any in the NorthEast yet.
  • vodgutvodgut Posts: 162
    Not sure if Toyota is the same way, but on my Audi taking the battery out of the keyless entry caused it to reset, and the dealer had to reprogram the remote before it would work. So the dealer had to do the battery change. Kind of annoying and expensive. Toyota's remotes probably behave the same way. Maybe there's something in the owner's manual about it. I think to replace the batteries in my Audi remote and have it reprogrammed was $34.
  • Whats the best combo for a non show car like 4runner? Can you apply Z2 by itself and get good results? Or do you have to prep with ZFX first? Also whats the diiference between Z1,Z2,Z3 etc.?
  • If you broke a keyless remote or lost your remote and transponder keys or just want extras, check out these links:

    For replacement keyless remotes:

    Pricing for 2003: SR5:
    2003 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Sport Utility 4D
    Remote and Programming

    List Price: $54.00
    Dealership Price: $190.00*
    You Save: $136.00 (72% off!)

    For replacement transponder keys: or 1-866-BUY-KEYS

    A search for 2003 SR5 yielded the following prices:

    Description: Master Key for your 2003 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Sport Utility 4D
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    Please choose a service level for your key.

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      No Service - Keys Only
    I would NOT like to purchase the key cutting and activation services of a local Street Keys Affiliate. I understand that the key blank will not operate the vehicle until it is cut and activated.
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  • Go to I think their website includes a explanation how/when to use each of their prodcuts.
  • Hmm, according to the manual, it should be a painless proceedure. You just need to remove the old battery and replace it with a new one with the (+) side up. If it still doesn't operate, you need to visit your helpul Toyota dealer and plead for mercy :)
  • The information at Zaino's web site will give you the best overview of their products and the synergistic "system" of these products. I first began using these products several years ago, well before the new ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator was available, so at this time I'm more comfortable using Zaino's system with their older Z-1 Polish Lok, simply because I'm already familiar with this approach. That said, I might try the ZFX next time I detail my truck in the spring, but then again I'm lazy, and I might not want to get into all of the pre-mixing, measuring, and other tasks that ZFX requires. (Also, the info. at Zaino's web site says that any unused mixtures of their products suitable with ZFX must be discarded and can't be stored for long after the products are mixed and the project is completed, since once they're mixed, the chemical reaction clock starts ticking.) At any rate, ZFX is reportedly a great addition to the Zaino line, so it's your decision as to which route you feel most comfortable with, since I don't think you can go wrong either way.

    "...Whats the best combo for a non show car like 4runner? Can you apply Z2 by itself and get good results..?" This is a very good question, and although I'm certainly no expert here, I would offer the following thoughts (in addition to those I've recently posted at this forum, regarding my experiences with Zaino products.)...

    I believe that Zaino products were originally conceived and painstakingly developed with an eye towards the demands of "show car" enthusiasts, but these products have subsequently been recognized as the gold standard among a growing and ever wider variety of car, truck, SUV, motorcycle (etc.) owners/enthusiasts who, who simply want the best finish protection combined with a lustrous, gorgeous finish for their vehicles, regardless of whether those vehicles are "everyday" rides on the one hand, or exotic show pieces on the other hand. Either way, these are phenomenal products, and by the way, I have no special interest in these products other than being a very satisfied and amazed consumer.

    "...Can you apply Z2 by itself and get good results? Or do you have to prep with...?" My suggestion here would be that whether you decide to use ZFX or not, you should still follow Zaino's web site recommendations for whichever path you select (e.g., using ZFX or not). For a new vehicle that has not had any "waxes", or "protection packages" or other gunk applied to the finish (and if the finish is otherwise pristine) then first wash/rinse/dry with Zaino
    Z-7 wash, and then proceed as follows: 1) Unless there is a really compelling reason to use the "clay bar", forget about this step; 2) Apply Z-1 Polish Lok according to the directions, and allow to dry to a faint haze as directed. (Of course, the good news here is that you should NOT wipe-off Z-1, so quit moaning and belly-aching, will ya?!) Z-1 is said to greatly help to prep. and facilitate bonding of the subsequent Zaino polishes to the underlying vehicle finish, so skipping the Z-1 step is probably not a good idea; 3) Using Z-6 Gloss Enhancer Spray to keep your applicator moist throughout the detailing process (not sure whether this is needed when using ZFX), you might next proceed to applying/wiping-off a coat of Z-5 for filling-in any minor and often inevitable clear-coat defects, or you can skip Z-5 and proceed to applying/wiping off Z-2 (for clear-coated finishes if applicable.); 4) Regardless of whether you choose to use Z-5 as a first polish step, I have found that *two* successive applications of Z-2 is a good idea if you want better protection and luster; if you're feeling really energetic (I'm not), then go for three or more coats of Z-2, but unless you're living next to a steel mill or other source of heavy acid rain or other nasties, two coats of Z-2 should be fine; 5) Apply Z-16 Tire Gloss, Z-10 Leather conditioner, Z-9 Leather Cleaner, and any other Zaino products that interest you, as indicated and needed; 6) As always, take your time, follow directions, have fun, and enjoy your results.
  • Thank you for those kind words of encouragement and humor!
    We have a magnificent truck here, as well as a fine discussion forum.
  • I'm about to special order a Sport with side air bags (and some other modest goodies). Can't decide between the V6 and the V8. I'll not be towing. I've driven both, but I can't much tell the difference (but I'm not sure how in tune I am to these things). The 8 was quieter but the 6 was not noisy. Maybe the 8 had more pick-up. I really don't know. The specs say it should.

    Any advice? Is the sulfur really more problematic with the 8? Thanks.
  • tangmantangman Posts: 127
    I just ordered a V8 sport and went through many of your thoughts in selecting the engine. So far I asked many people on the gas milage. They all claimed roughly the same for the v8 and v6 (16-19mpg). The oil filter is much easier to change on the V6 verses the v8. I understand that the V8 has a timing belt verses the v6 chain, which means mainteance costs on the v8 will be greater since it needs to be changed. In the end, I selected the V8 simply because it is a proven engine over time in many Toyota products including the Tundra. The V8 felt more solid to me, most likely because it is heavier. If you search through the posts on this board you will see a lot of views on engine selection.

  • I choose the V8. I test drove both engines back-to-back on same models. It was not a giant difference but there definitely is a difference. The V6 has more than enough power off the line, but the V8 was ridiculous--lots of punch. The V8 was also more quiet and deeper, throatier. The biggest difference was when accelerating. The V6 sort of whined, with a bit of a strained high pitch, just like most any vehicle on the road. The V8 had more of a "quiet roar". It has been a couple months since my test drives, though, and I am probably exaggerating the distinction by now, but that is the way I remember feeling about it at the time. I sure the V6 will work fine, but the V8 is exceptional.
  • 1. Mgabel2, I am really glad you decided side air bags are worth the wait. I will do the same thing when it comes time for me to get a 4-Runner. Do us a favor and let us know how long it took from the date of your order to the date you could pick up your new 4-Runner. Thanks.

    2. I really don't like remote keyless entry, although I am sure I am in the minority. I am used to just locking my Z the "old way" and every time I drive my mother's Camry with remote keyless entry, I end up creating a nightmare. My question is this...with the new 4-Runner, does one have the option to just lock the remote up somewhere and just rely on the door locks and key to lock/unlock the vehicle?
  • Yes, I'd be happy to let you know the timetable between when I order and when I get. Indeed, in my view, side air bags are worth the wait. It boggles my mind why they are not standard. I assume that safety sells and surely the public understands the idea of an air bag better than VSC, for example. And the logic that a "Sport" model does not need side air bags but the other models do - again, strange.

    I've not signed any papers yet, so I'm not sure what the dealer will promise, but I think it will be around 4 months. But I've already been warned it could take 6 and even maybe 2. I was told that, maybe, if I got a V8 it might come faster, as apparently not so long ago someone got a Sport V8 with side air bags accepted from my area (Central Atlantic). Not sure about the logic there, either.
  • jcliffro, yes you can just put the keyless entry transmitters in a drawer and use your keys. There are key slots in the driver's door and rear hatch, but not in the passenger's door. I suspect, though, that if you use the keyless system for a day or two you'll be comfortable with it and may prefer to use it.

    As for the problem with the remote going brain dead after a battery change, one might try just pressing the lock or unlock button a bunch of times in sequence after the battery change, when near the vehicle. It's rather tedious to explain in any detail here (people have got to be dreading my too-long posts by now!), but the remote has probably started its pseudorandom sequence in a different spot and it will take a number of samples for the vehicle's immobilizer computer to recognize it. I don't think these remote transmitters actually have a memory that needs to be reset, but I could be wrong. It's possible that the transmitter itself has gone bad, and that the battery isn't actually dead.

    As for the Zaino application and ZFX or the polish lock, I've heard from several sources that you do actually need to use one of them, along with the Z2. Otherwise the Z2 just won't cure. These aren't traditional waxes, where a solvent evaporates and leaves the wax compound behind. They seem a little more like epoxy, where you need something to facilitate a chemical reaction. I like the ZFX because it's really easy to mix and to apply, and cures quickly and reliably. You've got hours and hours to use the mixture before it cures in the bottle, and you only mix up 2-3 oz. each time (to do the entire vehicle with 1-2 coats) so you're not throwing any real $ away if you toss part of an oz. of mixture.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Forget the clay? I love the clay!

    Lots more here:

    Zaino Car Polishes/Products--Your Experiences (Part 2)

    and for the rest of us:

    Store Bought Waxes Part II (No Zaino Posts)

    Steve, Host
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