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  • Hey guys. Haven't been in here in a while; guess I've been out enjoying my Jeep too much. Rest assured, Tom, I hug my Wrangler each and every day!


    Four things I need help with:


    1) Service. I'm at 18K miles. Been faithful to the schdule "A" maintenance, but Jeep service guys are trying to convince me I need schedule "B" (more frequent, and thus more expensive) because of the rigors of urban driving in L.A. Any thoughts?


    2) Service guys say the front brakes are down to 4mm and that I will soon need a brake job costing upwards of $300. Any reactions?


    3) My driver's side floor mat clip broke off, and the service guys claim it doesn't have its own part number making it hard to replace. Any ideas?


    4) I get a bad vibe off this particular Jeep dealership. Had a great one elsewhere, but my guy moved to a Saturn service center (traitor!). Any recommendations for service in Southern Cal?



  • have u considered the hitches that are not built into the bumper?

    i think that Class III trailer hitches all have a 3500 pound limit
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    First, there is no requirement for you to have your Jeep serviced at a dealer to keep with warranty requirements. You can use an independent shop, or do it yourself (preferred method!).


    1) Most people seem to think that you should only need schedule 'B' for driving in the desert or the jungle. Urban and city driving can be just as hard on the vehicle, especially the oil and brakes. The extra costs for fluids and filters over each year is minimal, especially compared to a repair bill.


    2) Pads or shoes that are close to the end of their life require replacing before they damage the discs or drums, or worse, fail! Wrangler rear disc pads are especially prone to rapid wear for some reason.


    3) I don't have any listing for floor mat parts but the carpet fixings are available. Let me know if you want the numbers.


    4) Can't help, sorry.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Up until I got the Unlimited I always used Schedule B (but then I drove enough on dirt roads to justify it). The Unlimited doesn't see as much off-road use (it is our daily driver - mostly freeway miles) and I've started to use Mobile 1 oil, so I've been using Schedule A for the oil changes (and usually use the quick lube places - at least I can watch from a distance). The Sport still uses schedule B.


    We replaced the brakes and rotors on the Sport (a 5 speed) at around 100,000 miles and only paid $180. Got it done at a Firestone place in Bakersfield (Bakersfield is often a bit cheaper for labor than similar places in Santa Clarita).


    I'm thinking about taking the Unlimited to a dealership for the auto-dimming mirror. It will be the first time since 1998 that I've actually used a dealership's service department - I prefer independent mechanics. It's worked well for us - the Sport has 130,000 miles on it and the Unlimited has 21,000 miles on it. Yes, I know, I need to do something about the mirror soon or else it will be beyond the 36,000 mile warranty. I'm leaning on taking it to Buerge (where I bought it and the one closest to work) but a co-worker had a bad experience with their service department once. Otherwise I might try the Jeep dealership in Santa Clarita, which is on the way home. I'm not impressed with their sales department but have no experience with their service department. I wasn't impressed with the dealership in Glendale - they are the ones that tried to tell me I had lifted my Sport (which I hadn't - just had 30 inch tires on it) rather than pay to replace the plastic fuel filler tube that cracked right after I bought it. They are also the ones that insisted that the only service interval was the Schedule A (just the opposite of what you experienced!).


    Which dealership did you use that you didn't like?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    So, does your mirror have an on/off button for the auto dimming function?
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I've still got to pull out the manual and look it up. It does have an on-off switch that changes the temp from F to C and turns off the temp/compass, but didn't seem to do anything for the auto dimming function when I tried it (and the green light at the bottom didn't go out, so I think I'm missing something). Hopefully your post, mac, will remind me to read the owners manual on the way to work tomorrow (no, I won't be trying to read while I'm driving - my other half drives into work, I drive home).
  • I bought a 2" 3500 lb bolt-on via ebay - direct from a manufacturer (located in Arizona; branded "Quality S") for about $50 or so. Very easy install, and very pleased with the quality. I don't really tow, but do use a nice bike rack and just wanted the 2" size.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Remember to read the manual re: the mirror.


    Another helpful service provided by hosts! ;-)


    tidester, host
  • davids1davids1 Posts: 411
    300 Bucks for front brakes???? Highway robbery!
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I guess you're not used to taking your vehicle into a franchised dealership for maintenance and repair?


  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    for the autodimming mirror. Press and hold one of the buttons for a bit ... can't remember which one but think it is the T/C, but the green power light for the autodim should go out.


  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Brake jobs are pretty easy, if you have some basic tools. You'll save money and learn about your car at the same time. :)


  • that is a great pic, i really like yosemite great place. I got lost on a trail there back in 2000 and was forced to spend the night around vernal falls in my shorts/tee shirt. What was supposed to be a 4 hour walk down from glacier point in the afternoon turned into an all nighter as it got dark faster than the ranger had told us (me/wife). We spent the night in a toilet area and were visited by 2 bears during the evening. Much fun now, LOL........
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Do you have a website with pics? I'd LOVE to download some of your pics. Any in particular with Jeeps that have a high enough resolution to print out say an 11x14? :)


  • Mtngal, I was using Center Jeep in Van Nuys, but as I said my guy jumped ship. Buerge is where I've gone more recently. On my 12K service, they said they didn't perform all the maintenance because it wasn't really needed (rotating tires, et al). Then, at my 18K service, they go the other way and tell me I need to be getting more frequent service (sched: b). Plus, they don't know how to order my carpet clip. Beyond that, just a badd vibe. Nothing concrete.


    Mac24, if you've got the clip number, that would help greatly! Or a link to where I can buy one online.


    Thanks all.


  • davids1davids1 Posts: 411
    That would be correct. I typically do front disc brakes myself. I don't mess with rear drum brakes. I like to keep my digits attached. I have a local shop that will put rear drum brakes (I buy the shoes) on my 95 Rio Grande for $24.00. That's a bargain. Same shop charged me $34.00 for my Tahoe. Still a bargain. I don't know why the Jeep was cheaper, but it was.
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I read the owners manual this morning. Now if I remember correctly (remember this was at 4:30 this morning) you push both the right and left buttons (the ones that operate the lights) and hold them for a couple of seconds. I'll try that this evening and see if it works.


    Mike - I once talked to someone at Frontier (the Santa Clarita dealership) several years ago who seemed really sharp. Then about 2 years ago I talked to someone else about my dash problem (the one that was common on the '98s) and the guy was really clueless.


    If I don't resolve the mirror's problem with just turning it off for a bit, I might try them, or maybe even go over to Lancaster and try the dealership there (it's probably not much further from the house than Santa Clarita or Bakersfield). On the other hand, Buerge was excellent to deal with when I bought the Unlimited.


    Have you tried Don-A-Vee? It's pretty far for me - a friend of mine who had a JGC at least 8 years ago thought they were pretty good.
  • 01r101r1 Posts: 280
    jefferson1964- That sounds like an adventure even if there weren't bears visiting in the middle of the night! At least you can laugh about it now.


  • 01r101r1 Posts: 280
    Paul- Sorry, no website for the Jeep pics. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to it. I think any of them would look good at 11x14, they were shot with a 6.3 Mpixel camera. I was going to e-mail you, but your address is private in your profile.


  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    .....I read the owners manual this morning. Now if I remember correctly (remember this was at 4:30 this morning) you push both the right and left buttons (the ones that operate the lights) and hold them for a couple of seconds. I'll try that this evening and see if it works......


    If it's like mine you may end up in the calibration mode if you do that. I just have to press the button next to the green L.E.D. (on the left) to turn it on or off.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    .......Mac24, if you've got the clip number, that would help greatly!......


    Is this for the front or rear of the carpet (not the mat)?
  • Hello. I've got a 2004 wrangler x, bought in June '04 - auto transmission. After the 1st oil change it developed a transmission type rattling noise at idle. The dealer can't find it, said they tightened everything. My friend who is knowledgeable in these thing thinks it's loose motor mounts. Sounds like it is coming from under the front dash. As soon as I give it some gas it goes away, then back again at idle. Any suggestions? Thanks/Tom
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I'd REALLY be hesitant about trying the dealership in Lancaster. They took over Jeeps from another dealership and really don't know too much. When I took my TJ there for an inspection prior to purchasing, they didn't even notice it was missing a front sway bar (and I didn't know any better at the time).


    01r1, you can email some to skimblzbvs at yahoo dot com. My email in my profile is definitely not one to give out (it's my work/hispeed one).


  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I highly doubt that it's loose motor mounts. Try using a long thin screwdriver as a stethoscope to narrow down the location. Put your ear to the handle and the blade on various parts of the vehicle, being very careful near any moving parts.
  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    Don-A-Vee did ok by when they replaced my transition. I have not had any problems with it since.


  • gman1259gman1259 Posts: 209
    I used a wooden handle for a paint roller once to find a noise in an engine. Not has good as a metal tool, but it did get the job done without putting my face close to any moving objects.
  • Mtngal, thanks for the info. I almost bought my Wrangler at Buerge. I recall thinking it funny that the salesman drove a RAV4.


    I meant to check my dimming mirror to help with your problem. I've only needed to turn it off once, and I too thought it was done by pressing both switches simultaneously. All that ended up turning on/off were the map lights. As for the other button, I thought that only turned off the temp/compass. Will check later.


    Mac24, it's the driver's side, front floor mat clip. It catches the rear of the mat (closest to the seat). Hit it funny with my heel and SNAP!


    Thanks all,

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591


    Hey, good to see you back with us! Sorry it has taken me this long to reply.


    Glad you are hugging your Jeep! They need love and attention to function properly.


    I agree with what Mac told you. City driving IS hard on an engine, so spending the extra bucks on more frequent oil changes is not a bad idea.


    Also, like Mac said, city driving can be very hard on brakes too. It would help to allow lots of following distance and to slow down so that you give the traffic light time to go green and the stopped cars to get going again. Then you wouldn't even have to use your brakes, and you would catch up to the cars ahead anyway, so you wouldn't lose any time. Bet I know what would happen if you tried that: cars would come around you and cut back in front of you, taking away that space that you are trying to leave open in front of you, right?


    Some people seem to think they need to be either heavy on the gas or heavy on the brake. They stay on the gas right up to the very last second as they approach a red light, then they jump on the brakes real hard to get stopped in time. It would make MUCH more sense to ease off the gas as they approach a red light, and maybe they could avoid using the brakes all together, if the light changes in time. At least they would not have to stand on the brakes to get stopped in time.


    Oh well, just one of my pet peeves.


    Stick around, Mike! Don't disappear on us again.




    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Tom, I'm with you on the easing up on the gas. I'm also a believer in engine/transmission braking. In my manual (and our autos), I downshift as I approach a light. My Grand Cherokee got 63,000 miles out of the ORIGINAL factory pads while living in a mountain community. The dealer has NEVER seen 63,000 on a Grand, let alone one living in the mountains (over 4,200 ft elevation).


    Gradual is a concept that REALLY extends the life of any vehicle. Sudden acceleration, braking, turning, etc all contribute, IMO, to faster wear. Sometimes is can't be avoided, but most of the time it can.


  • I have a question someone help.... what is the difference in the 87-95 wrangler full steel doors and 96-03 wrangler full steel doors. i have a 00 and i would like to put the older style doors on. i heard it was just a hinge location. does anyone have any idea
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