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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    If you get a Sport, please, please, please take the Old Tomster's advice, and get the AAS package. For ONLY $670, you will get the 30" tires, gas shocks, the beautiful Ravine wheels, and a Dana 44 rear end with 3.73 gearing!!! That is a downright UNBELIEVABLE deal.

    If you do that, the time will come when you will thank me profusely for putting you onto that option. You will name a child after me. You will ask me for a picture of myself to hang from your rear view mirror, so that you can thank me every time you drive your Jeep. You will come to my funeral.


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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Welcome! Glad to have you with us.

    If you want a cheap way to run 33" tires, and if the Jeep will be used on the pavement only, then you could probably get by with a two inch "budget boost." These kits are just spacers that are used with your factory springs and have the same effect on ride height as longer springs.

    Rubicon express makes a BB kit for $229.95, as listed in the Quadratec catalogue. You get the spacers plus four new, longer travel shocks.

    Installation would be simple, and it would be something you could easily do yourself.

    The 2" lift would be insufficient to allow you to disconnect your sway bar for off roading. You might get some rubbing even if the sway bar is still connected, if you get into positions that flex the suspension to the max. On the street, there should be no problem.

    Yes, 31" tires can be installed with no lift of any kind needed. You can go up to 31" x 10.50" tires.


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  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Wish I could help you find a decent mechanic in SoCal, but I haven't really found one. I used to use a Firestone place in Bakersfield and had excellent luck with them - they seemed honest and would refer me to a reasonable place when I needed something they didn't do (the exhaust manifold, for one). One of their mechanics was a big off-roader and had a beautiful red lifted Wrangler, but I haven't been there in a couple of years. I think it was the Firestone shop on Stine (it's just north of White Lane and I think it's on Stine, but it be on one of the other north-south streets). The main reason I haven't been using them is that you really need an appointment for Saturdays, and I always forgot to call.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    ..............Any ideas on what he is talking about? He wants 15 bucks to tell you the secret...........

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! :P

    If you want cheap, go with a 2" budget boost (and send the $15 to Tom instead!).
  • trew123trew123 Posts: 4

    I also have had my Sport for a couple of weeks now (500 miles) and am so happy with it. After the first week, I took the hard top off and have been driving mostly with the soft-top down to work and back each day. Friggin cold some times in the morning but when I leave at 6:00, the looks I get from co-workers and other people on the road is well worth it. My Sport came with the Ravine wheels which are quite nice but I have come across new Rubicon wheels pretty cheap so I am going to swap them out this weekend and try to sell the ravines wheels. I have found a couple of weird items (noises) as well that bother me but none are deal-breakers and I am so happy with my purchase and am thankful for all of the stuff that I have read here that helped guide me in my purchase.

  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    and send the $15 to Tom instead!

    Please, no soliciting on the boards! ;)

    tidester, host
  • durability05durability05 Posts: 142
    I installed the Mopar hitch and wiring harness on my 04 Wrangler X 14 months ago. Use the Mopar wiring kit, it is just a plug and play easy install. The Mopar hitch is a class 1 hitch good for 2,000 pounds only. Also a very easy install, except around the exhaust pipe. You will need a good set of extension for your sockets. My hitch is excellent for its purpose, If I had to do it again, I would stick with the Mopar wiring kit, but probably buy a Class 2 after market hitch good for 3500 pounds
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Man, I hope you are not going to end up spending much money when all is said and done and you have sold your Ravine wheels. I have to agree that the Moabs are a little nicer looking than the Ravines, but not by very much in my book. They are both beautiful wheels.

    Don't let those Ravines go too cheap. They should bring a real nice piece of change, especially being so new.

    Glad you are enjoying that Jeep. They are more fun than you even imagined, aren't they???



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  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    How FUNNY! I used that same Firestone. The mechanic with the red CJ was the only guy I would let work on our stuff! Can't remember his first name, but his last was Cotton and he moved to Colorado Springs.

    As for lifts, Tom nailed it with the spacer budget boost. You can use these offroad, but IMO, if you are going to offroad it lifted, get heavier duty springs and shocks and lift it right. I know spacers are safe, but for some reason, a 'properly done' kit just makes more sense to me. For a good 2" suspension lift, I went with OME. Rubicon Express, Skyjacker (I think), and others make em. OME is pricier, but the ride is reported to be as good as, or better than, stock. With a lift you will never get a perfect ride, as your CG is shifted and such, but since my springs are worn, anything will be an improvement!

  • drosketerdrosketer Posts: 203
    A local fellow here has been having death wobble problems since getting a lift and in his case part of the problem was a had to do with the track bar. I don't know what was wrong with it exactly (didn't see it for myself), but replacing it has resolved some of his issues. It now appears that one of his ball joint ends may be hooped as well...
  • jefferson1964jefferson1964 Posts: 330
    I think camp jeep on the road is something new and taking the place of the jeep 101 event or whatever it was called when it was going from city to city. I have attended one camp jeep and two of these smaller events. Its basically a very much downsized camp jeep. I was able to drive all the different jeep models and took a rubicon offroad on their trail that was set up. Its fun but i was done in about 3 hours and did get a $500 coupon for a future jeep purchase. If you never gone go try it out then head to the big camp jeep, with the concerts and fireworks, trail rides etc.....
  • jefferson1964jefferson1964 Posts: 330
    Attaching the trailer hitch was simple on my 98 Grand Cher. Their were bolts already in place and i fit the hitch to these and tightened them using the nuts and washer supplied with the hitch. I used a ratchet set then torqued them down with a torque wrench it took about 30 minutes. The wiring is where i was lost and had an electrically inclined brother-in law to do the wiring which he did in about 30 minutes or less and it works great.....

    FYI I purchased a Hidden Hitch which i really like as it fits up under the bumper and just shows the reciever, it was a tad bit more but looks much better IMO......
  • jbonejbone Posts: 35
    Just rec'd this message from DCX regarding orders for 05 TJs:

    "Thank you for your recent email to DaimlerChrysler Motors regarding your
    interst in a 2005 Jeep Wrangler. Unfortunately, those orders are 'out
    for model year,' which means that they are no longer available. Orders
    for 2006 will be accepted shortly.

    Thank you again for your email."

    Wonder if that means all 06 orders will be the redesign? I hope not...

    Had a dealer tell me today he could possibly sell me an 05 Unlimited on the lot for about $21,100 not including taxes etc., and now that I cannot order an 05 exactly how I want (there are none w/in 500 miles of me) I may jump on it (if I can convince my wife that we can afford it...)

    This Jeep has been on their lot for awhile, all thru winter up north, and I noticed that much of the mechanicals are rusty underneath like the driveshafts, and much of the outer front axle (knuckles on outward). Is this something I should hesistate on or am I being too picky?
    I compared it to another that they just got in and that one looks like it rolled right off the factory floor - no rust at all. Unfortunately its not one I would consider buying.
    Thanks for the help and wish me luck with the missus!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Surface rust on underbody parts amounts to diddly squat. They don't do anything at the factory to even try to prevent it. Don't worry about it.

    Good luck in getting a Jeep just right for your wants and needs.


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  • 99tj99tj Posts: 187
    Does anyboody have an opinion or review of the factory sub-woofer they put in the console? I'm thinking of buying a used one. They look nice and small, which is my biggest concern.

  • keatskeats Posts: 412
    I have the factory 7 spkr deal, which includes the sub. I think it is OK, but I don't think I'd go to the trouble to put a used one in, the bass can be very muddy. However, I wouldn't want the factory system without it. I don't suppose I was much help at all.
  • jackpdjackpd Posts: 4
    I just came across your forum and think it's great.

    I'm buying my first Wrangler within the next week and would like to know if you folks feel that a hard top is really necessary living in New England or is a soft top OKAY? Does Ice / snow build up on the windows of the soft top and if so can it be scraped off with an ice scraper or would I destroy the plastic window removing the ice? I'll be leaving the Jeep out doors in all weather conditions. Also, does snow / ice build up on the plastic windows while driving as it does on glass?

    Thanks for your advice.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I have never had a soft top, but I don't think there is any way I would want to have a soft top on my Jeep while it was parked outside in New England winters. I think the soft top would keep you warm enough once the engine comes up to temperature, but I think you would have problems just as you suggested with ice on the plastic windows. The plastic is easily scratched.

    Welcome to the board.


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  • embeedueceembeeduece Posts: 260
    Tom, I got the AAS on my '04. Still waiting for that picture to hang from my rearview, though.

  • embeedueceembeeduece Posts: 260
    I was bummed to find that I'd waited too long to order an '03. But when I ordered my '04, I was pleasantly surprised to find they'd switched to the ravine rims. So you never know how things will work out. There are trade offs no matter what, but it all seems to balance out.

    Oh, and I spotted the undercarriage rust almost immediately after taking delivery. Was concerned, but like Tom said, it was no biggee. The Jeep that's factory new will have the same rust soon enough, so you might as well go for the vehicle you really want.

  • embeedueceembeeduece Posts: 260
    I'm from New England. Get the hardtop if you can. Though, if you're parking outdoors only, that may mean you don't have a garage or place to store said top.

    I would think you'd be hard pressed to find a cold weather dealer selling soft tops only. Then again, if you're a seasoned New Englander, the minute the mercury gets above freezing, you'll be putting the top down anyway and enjoying the weather!

    -Mike ;)
  • oldscout2oldscout2 Posts: 9
    You don't need to scrape the plastic windows of your soft top when it gets icy or snow covered. I just tap the windows from the inside and the ice and snow breaks off. You will leave coworkers scraping their windows and their heads as you pull away in seconds.......... ;)
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I'm probably not the best person to answer this question (since I live in SoCal), but we do get ice and snow up here and I spent a week in Wyoming in January, so I have an opinion on this subject.

    Do not use an ice scraper on the plastic windows - they will scratch easily. I didn't notice all that much snow and ice build-up on the windows - far less than I had expected. Most of the time the heater is enough to keep the snow and ice from building up while you are driving. I have about a 15 minute drive on rural 2 lane roads before I hit the interstate, and my windows are normally clear by the time I get there. We've gone all winter with just a soft top and been perfectly happy. I find visibility more limited because of dust/dirt/mud on the back window than ice (the hard top has the advantage there with its wiper blade).

    I actually prefer the hard top for a variety of minor reasons, but you do have to have somewhere it store it if you take it off (the Sport's hard top has never been off because of that). The soft top flaps when there's snow on the roof and you are driving about 45 mph, I don't like the bar on the back window - makes it harder to load tall things in the back, like trash cans, etc. and it lets in more wind and traffic noise than a hard top. If you crack the window (my husband smokes) the window will softly flap against the support. It's not really loud, but occasionally annoying.
  • greddengredden Posts: 30
    I am going to buy new 2005 wrangler sport. I am having trouble deciding on options. I am getting the wheel & tire group upgrade. What I'm gaving trouble deciding on is the anit-lock brakes, 4-Wheel Disc Brakes, Trac-Lok Differential Axle. I don't know much about these options. Please HELP! I would like any other suggestions too.

    thanks for the advise!
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    ABS: If you're sure no one will ever make an emergency stop in the rain in front of you, or no one will pull into your path from a side road without looking, then you don't need ABS. As you can tell, I'm a believer.

    4 wheel disc brakes: See mac24, "Jeep Wrangler" #17339, 17 May 2005 10:44 pm

    Trac-Lok: Helps give you traction in poor surface conditions, virtually invisible to the driver, cheap way to get an LSD.
  • greddengredden Posts: 30
    So, you say yes to the ABS and no to the Trac-Lok? Any other suggestions?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I'd say yes to ABS, shrug my shoulders to rear discs, and yes to Trac Lok unless I was either never going off the highway, or was intending to fit a heavier duty system later
  • greddengredden Posts: 30
    I understand that Trac Lok is then you actually lockin the the front and rear wheels and the power is trasfered to the wheels with the most traction, am I correct in thinking this? Do you have any other suggestions? By the way, I really appreciate your help.
  • thejeepthejeep Posts: 9
    I have the track lock system on my 01 Sahara, and you only get full traction in the rear. I thoroughly enjoy this feature when next to someone with a slip.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    As was said above, it's installed in the rear axle only, and it limits the amount of slip the differential allows, thereby giving you traction in situations that would normally have you just sitting there with one wheel spinning.

    It's hard to make suggestions without knowing the use you intend to put the Jeep to, both now and in the future.
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