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  • normisnormis Posts: 9

    Your number appears to be correct, but remember that there's a $2,000 incentive out there now ($1,000 of which you get only if you finance through Chrysler).

    To give you an idea, I just bought an '05 Unlimited, E Package, 7 Speakers, Side Steps, Leather wrapped steering wheel, floor mats and dual tops, and was out the door (including taxes and tags of roughly $1,500) for $24,200. This is with a "friends and family" type discount (which is 1% below invoice). I think I may have even paid a few hundred too much.

    If you use the "TMV" calculator on, you can get the invoice for the E package and each option. I'd go into the dealer armed with that next time.
  • oldscout2oldscout2 Posts: 9
    The dealer is going to review there pricing and give me a call. Lets see where they land. Thanks for your help.

    Also they would not take any new orders for 2005, only 2006 model year. They did not know anything about changes for 2006 like new colors etc....
  • norcalwhlrnorcalwhlr Posts: 3
    Thanks, I actually haven't decided if I want to do the swap. Right now I'm thinking I'll just keep it as is and like you say trade it in for a 6 sometime in the future
  • koolbreeze2koolbreeze2 Posts: 252
    Tom, it sounds like love to me. John
  • redrocker15redrocker15 Posts: 102
    I just tallied up my overall mileage numbers from the trip to NM. Going there, I averaged 19 mpg. Return trip (more tailwinds), I averaged just over 21 mpg. Combined distance was about 1800 miles. I've got roughly 80k miles, and the BFG 31x10.5 tires. Can't complain, plus gas prices here in OK are typically as low as almost anywhere in the country.">
  • mtgeepmtgeep Posts: 1
    Dear forum member,
    I am considering purchasing the Bestop Sunrider, noticed you had a few things to say about it. Do you have any regrets or any advise. I am purching a top this coming week and like to do my homework first.


  • fatkatfatkat Posts: 3
    Hi Folks,

    I've ordered an 05 Unlimited which is due in sometime this weekend. I'm planning to take the $1000 financing incentive from Chrysler and then pay off the note. This incentive expires in a couple of days (May 31) and I'm thinking it will increase after that to get the 05's off the lot. Has anyone watched how DC has historically handled the incentives to know if this might be true... or should I just take the current rebate and be happy with it.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    As soon as I say this, they will make a liar out of me, I guess, but DC has NOT historically done much of anything to move left over Wranglers from previous model years, even when the current model year Wranglers have been on the lots for a long time.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?


    Welcome! Congrats on the Unlimited!
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I just purchased a 97 TJ with 124k on it with the 2.5.... I knew the girl who owned it and basically didn't change the oil very often... Finally after all the miles, she started having a knock, sounding like a collapsed lifter.. I purchased it anyhow since it was only 500 bucks

    Yup, she really saved big time by skipping those oil changes!

    ANYHOW, I'm having an oil pressure problem which is probably going to lead me to pulling the oil pan and checking/replacing the pump....

    You might want to check the actual pressure with a mechanical gauge as you may have a sender problem (if you're lucky). However, you'll often find with a badly sludged engine that you're forever chasing oil related problems. Considering the mileage, and the low purchase price, I think you could fully justify fitting a remanufactured 'long block'.
  • ravagerravager Posts: 20
    I just scored a silver '04 Unlimited with 144 miles for around 18 grand. I don't think I could be happier with any other vehicle!

    Right off the bat, my daughter and I are geeking off the other Jeepers waving to us when the top is down. The day I drove it off the lot I read the "Rules of the Jeep Wave" from some website and had kiddingly warned my daughter that since we were driving a cherry jeep that we'd have to show all the other jeepers respect first. Next thing we know, we're getting waves left and right and we're giggling like kindergartners. Jeepers are dorks.

    I was kinda worried about the "rough" ride, but I can assure anyone that the ride is smoother than even in my '95 S-10. I love the power of the I-6 and am digging that when the a/c is on the jeep doesn't notice even while on the long grade near my home.

    I like how customizable this vehicle is. I haven't really started yet but I sold my stock tires for $500 and bought some rubicon 31's for $500 so my net price was $26 for installation. The 31's look MUCH bigger but there is no rub. I do plan a budget 2.5" lift to increase the wow factor.

    I use this idea for my hardtop Rachet strap hoist

    Anyway this forum rocks, it's great to see so many fans of the jeep here
  • ap70ap70 Posts: 2
    Picking up our new Wrangler X tomorrow! I'm interested in testing it's off-road capabilities. How do I find out where I can drive off-road or hook up with a local club?

    We have a dealer-installed lift and tire upgrade package and the factory tow hooks. Do I need anything else to get started?
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  • barnz_69barnz_69 Posts: 75
    Hello everyone! I bought my first jeep about a month ago, and couldn't be happier! I'm just about to turn just 24, but I've always wanted a jeep, as it is my dream car, as it seems to be for everyone here as well! I got a great deal on it ($8500 here in Ontario, perfect body and only 90 000 kms), and I'm pumped for a summer of cruisin' and even perhaps some off-roading!

    Anyhow, I just wanted to introduce myself, and say that I am extremely grateful for some of the tips/hints I have already found on this forum (getting those doors off for the first time on a used jeep was quite the adventure!), and with any luck, I will be able to provide my own to fellow jeepers for many years to come! Happy Jeepin', to everyone, and I'm thrilled to finally become part of this awesome community!

    PS: tsjay, i've read many of your tips and posts, and it seems you know you're jeep stuff...looking forward to 'absorbing' some of your knowledge! ;)

    1997 TJ 4cyl
    5 speed
  • scott919scott919 Posts: 17
    Removed the hard top for the summer off my 05 unlimited and this is the first time putting on the soft top. I watched the video knowing that this top is much different than my 95 yj. My problem is that I believe that the door frames that came with it are not correct, I think they are for a standard wrangler. The part of the latch just behind the door that holds the top in place when using the sunrider option is not there, but the upper half of the latch is on the top itself. Am I missing something??? Any help would be appreciated and Ill call the dealer tuesday.
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    You should be able to find a local club via the internet.

    You don't need much else to get started, but I'd take a strap to fit those tow hooks (one with loops), a first aid kit, a gallon of drinking water (I doubt you'd starve to death, but it's not that hard to get dehydrated), and a cell phone.

    Other than that, don't do as I do, do as I say, and go with a buddy! ;)
  • justjoe1justjoe1 Posts: 3
    OK everone after lurking here for awhile (and not really knowing why) I find myself at 50 buying a '94 Wrangler, 4.0l auto softop 1/2 door 95000miles,must be a special model as its a blue/green (kinda like moms old bathroom aauquamarinf only a bit darker). Anyway its all preetied up with chrome nose and is in very nice shape. First I want to thank you all for showing me the error of my ways and starting me on the path to Wrangler fandom!
    So the first question (of many I am sure) the only real glitch on this baby is the paint on the windshield frame is getting bubbly, I assume the window was replaced at one time and probably not sealed properly which has cause moisture under the paint and thus some rust. my question then is I have heard horror storys about dropping the windshield, do You recomend I pull the frame completely to sand prime and paint or try it on the truck?
    Thanks and P.S. my wife probably curses you guys right about now ;)
  • fatkatfatkat Posts: 3

    thanks for the info. Last month DC increased the incentive from $750 to $1000 so it looked like they were trying to clear the lots of 05's. The sales manager today said that he doubted there would be any increase, more likely stay the same or a decrease next month. But what does he know :)

    And by the way, I wish I could have hugged my Jeep today but it still
    isn't here yet. Maybe tomorrow????
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    You picked a good one for your first question. Normally I'd say pull the frame to do it, but if it's only minor bubbling and there are no leaks from under the frame I think I'd leave it in place. When it's that old the hinges will probably be seized and disturbing the seal between the frame and the cowl will probably damage it.

    However, the frame is hollow, and if it's rusting through from the inside out then replacement is the only realistic solution unless the damage is very localized.
  • embeedueceembeeduece Posts: 260
    I'm hesitant to say anything cuz I don't want to screw you up, but going back to 2003, I noticed that the "limited time only" incentives lasted pretty much all year, beginning to end, holidays and non-holidays. For Wranglers that year they offered 0.9/1.9/2.9 percent financing or $1500.00 cash back. Dealers always told me, "Well, you better buy now 'cause you don't know how long you'll be getting that deal..." Hogwash. But that was then....

  • I hate to post with a problem, but I have a question for all you Jeep owners. I have a brand-new SE 4-cyl. 6sp. with 264 miles on it. The last few days, I've noticed that there's a ringing (think disc brake wear warning ringing, but more muffled) in all gears and neutral from 0-2000 rpms. I can make the ringing stop by very lightly putting pressure on the clutch pedal OR by revving the transmission over 2000-2200 rpms. The vehicle shifts fine, does not stall, or otherwise misbehave with regard to the mechanics.

    Is this a break-in thing that I shouldn't worry about, or should I really worry?

    The vehicle is going to the dealer this week to get the locking center console installed, so perhaps I'll ask then. I just don't want to 'borrow any trouble' so to speak.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Welcome to this forum, and CONGRATS on that Unlimited! It sure seems like most folks who have just bought Jeeps and come to this board have bought the Unlimited rather than the short wheel base Wranglers. Must be that extra cargo room is all that was needed for some folks to pull the trigger. I would definitely have to consider the Unlimited, if I were in the market right now.

    Stick around and keep us posted on how you and that new Jeep are getting along.

    Once again, congratulations.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Congratulations on your new Jeep! Welcome to this forum.

    I'm glad to hear that you are interested in off roading that Jeep, and if you happen to live close enough to come to Turkey Bay with me, I would be happy to take you out on the trails and help you get started in the wonderful sport of off roading. Turkey Bay is in Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area in western Kentucky.

    Check out my website for some advice on how to get started with your off roading. Feel free to contact me with any questions, or just post 'em here. My email is public in my profile, if you need to communicate with me off the board.

    Here's a link to my website. This link takes you to the section of the website that pertains to newbies getting started in their off roading, but please check out the whole thing.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • denmasterdenmaster Posts: 8
    Well guys, Steve told me I can count on you motor heads to point me in the right direction. I purchased this Jeep for $500 bucks with what I thought was a single valve train tap. (by the way, other than that, it's in excellent shape - new top wouldn't hurt.) SO ANYHOW, she told me before i purchased it, the oil changes had beed skipped from time to time...... I pulled the valve cover off to begin the journey and I found just what I thought.....massive coking / sludge. Ran her at idle, possibly one push rod - I was trying to isolate possibly which lifter may have been collapsed- couldn't pin point it down. SO, pulled the rockers out, push-rods out, removed all lifters for replacement, and last while I had all that apart - went ahead and replaced the valve guide stem seals......... cleaned everything up, installed the above in reverse and basically have the same noise but not quite as loud... Now i have a oil pressure problem as well which may have been the original problem even though it displayed good pressure at the time. IF i'm pointed upward on a sloped drive, the JEEP maintains 40-50 psi. Take her down the road for two miles and first mile plus, good pressure.... I return home with zero indication, yet pull up in to the drive way and shortly i have normal oil pressure....... let the JEEP COOL DOWN "on level ground" oil quantity is right at the top hash mark................HELP............. HELP................HELP.............. thanks for any help, DENMASTER
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    That's a beautiful Jeep, blue_jepp_wrangler! Congratulations!

    Be sure and post about your first impressions.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    This is Mac24's area, not mine, but one thought is that maybe you have the wrong type of oil filter on that Jeep??? Probably not the case, but it is something easy to check out. The wrong filter or an improperly functioning filter could cause pressure fluctuations.

    I guess someting in the oil pan that intermittently blocks the oil inlet screen for the suction side of the oil pump might be the culprit. Maybe some of that sludge broke loose and a chunk of it blocks the oil flow until the Jeep is parked headed uphill?


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Welcome to Edmunds Jeep Wrangler! Congrats on your first Jeep!!!

    Thanks for the kind words, and you are very welcome for any help I might have been. I'll accept your thanks on behalf of Mac24 and others here who post good, reliable information also. We are all proud that this place is a source of ACCURATE info, unlike so many places you might find on the Net.

    It's good to have you with us, Ryan, and I am very happy that you got your "dream vehicle." Wish I had realized the extreme coolness of Jeeps at your age. :(

    Stick with us and be an active member. Let us hear about your good times with that Jeep.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591


    Hey, I didn't get Wrangler Fever until age 51, so you are actually ahead of me there.

    I am certainly not the one to answer your question on body work or painting. I have no experience in that area. Bet you'll get a good answer from someone here, though.

    Congratulations on finally "seeing the light." Keep us posted on how things are going. It's good to have you with us, Joe.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?


    I see that Good Ole Mac came through for ya with a good answer to your question. I had somehow missed his post when I wrote the above.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591

    Hopefully, someone will have an answer for ya.

    I have no experience with the new 6 speed manual tranny, but the old NV3550 five speed had a quirky noise when the engine was at idle and the tranny was in neutral with the clutch out. It sounded like marbles rolling around in a tin can. You could push the clutch in, and the noise would go away instantly. This noise was just a quirk of the NV3550, and it did not indicate a problem.

    Maybe there is some particular noise associated with the new six speed tranny?


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • fatkatfatkat Posts: 3
    Where did you sell your "slightly used" stock tires? Did the dealership buy them back or you just sold them locally?
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my answer to you yesterday mac24, "Jeep Wrangler" #17590, 29 May 2005 10:39 am, but a high mileage heavily sludged engine is going to be an ongoing source of problems.

    Without hot tanking and pressure cleaning the oil galleries, you'll always have intermittent pressure problems as the sludge moves around. It's likely that the knocking you have is either a main or rod end bearing. If you strip the engine to try to clean it you'll probably find that at 124K the crank needs regrinding, the bores need honing (at least), the camshaft and followers need replacing, and on, and on, and on.

    Which is why I recommended yesterday that you just install a 'long block' and save yourself a lot of grief. Having paid $500 for the Jeep you can easily justify the cost of fixing the engine properly. So, the answer is still the same today as it was then (unless you have skills and tools to strip, clean, machine, and rebuild the existing engine with the appropriate new parts).

    Edit: A 'long block' is a completely assembled block and head without any ancilliary items like starter or alternator. A 'short block' is an assembled block only. Finally a 'crate motor' is a new fully assembled complete engine ready to drop right in.
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