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  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Oh okay... gotcha now. :)

    My first thought was OOOH, he got reamed.

    10,000 with repairs/mods is not bad. I bought mine for about 6k, and I've probably put that much into suspension, tires, gears, lockers, accessories, winch, etc so I probably have about 12k in mine. :)

    My 2.5L is at 112k now and still running strong. With a good tranny and clutch, it should be good for a lot longer. Was your tranny the AX-5 or the Puegot/Renault transmission? THOSE are notorious for failure and I'm surprised if one of them got 102k on it. THAT is pretty good.

    With proper searching on the net, you can find some good mods/accessories w/o braking the bank. A 4.0 or a V8 could fit in there quite well, but you'd REALLY want to swap the transmission for something much stronger if you did that. So an engine swap would entail a lot more than just the engine.

  • oldyjoldyj Posts: 5
    glad to hear I didn't get reamed to bad. Thanks
  • 4 banger mileage vs 6 cyl mileage isn't THAT much different.

    On the highway, no, but in the city, I get almost 25 mpg with my 4 cylinder.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Specs on changes? Bigger tires? Different gears? Hard/soft top?

    I have 33's on mine and I was concerned about mileage/speed so I tracked exactly 1 mile on my GPS and found my odo was a tiny bit off (less than .1), so I know my mileage is accurate.

    If you have put different size tires on your Jeep and not installed the proper speedo gear that corresponds to tire size and differential gears, your mileage numbers may be a bit off.

    I've never seen a TJ (4 or 6) pull 25 in town.

  • I've never seen a TJ (4 or 6) pull 25 in town.

    I get about 350 miles(more or less)/15 gallon tank fill up. 25 mile round trip to work and back on city streets, that's about the use it gets; and the occasional longer summer drive (on and off road )and fun in the snow. :D On the highway, it's about 20 mpg.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735

    I've never seen that... I'd like to know what tips you have for getting that mileage. I know I will never see that. With my 33's, doors off, armored bumpers, rockers, sliders, underside armor, etc... I am WAY to heavy to get that. :)

  • I am WAY to heavy to get that

    I just have the basic, factory setup: soft top all year, Goodyear Wrangler MT/R Tires. Take the doors off all summer, and have a tune up every other year. If I put armor on it, that would obviously make it worse, but I only go off roading in the summer a few times, so it's not a basic necessity for me. So far, very reliable, the only thing gone bad was the power steering fluid leaking a few years ago.
  • yjbobyjbob Posts: 56
    In my 95 YJ (2.5L I-4), I often get 22 - 24 MPG. I have small (stock) tires). I usually drive at 50 - 55 MPH (the grand daddy MB's redlined at 60). In town, I get closer to 20 MPG, and faster than 55 tanks the mileage quickly. Definitely drive with a feather on the foot, with the tach between 2000 and 2500. Shift at 3000 - 3200 going uphill, but much lower going downhill. Still going strong at 116k miles. Enjoy reading all your comments.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Think I found my problem. :) On the highway I try to keep it at 70... more for safety's sake so I don't get a car wanting to meld with my rear bumper. :)

  • oldyjoldyj Posts: 5
    recently bought yj (see post # 22997) have read first 20000 posts so far. Thanks to Tom, Mac, and Eric, you guys have saved me a bunch. As an old Harley guy I was going to put high flow air, different pipes, etc. like we used to do on bikes until I read your info. This board should be required reading for all new jeep owners...appreciate all the knowledge
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    So where is the mayor and all the old schoolers?
  • wheelsdownwheelsdown Posts: 250
    You know, I don't know where they are. I peek in here almost every day. My TJ is stock and my every day transportation. I can't add much about modifying or off roading but I miss the adventures and advice of those guys.

  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    I guess some of us still look in from time to time........... :shades:
  • jeeplyonjeeplyon Posts: 3
    I just purchased an '04 Wrangler Sport. I am new to Jeeps and 4 wheelers in general. The Jeep came with stock 215/75 R15 tires. I would like to add a set of 31x10.5x15 tires. My question is what do I need to do, in the way of lifts, to insure there is no trouble. Rubbing,Death Wobble, etc. Also, will these tires fit on stock rims? Thanks for the help.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,287
    You can run 31s without a lift, but you will probably have to put some washers under the steering stops to prevent rubbing at full lock(some TJs rub, others don't, my 1999 Sahara only rubbed on left full lock). Its a very simple procedure; here is the how-to.
    As for the wheels, the minimum rim width for most all 31s is 7 inches, although 8-8.5 inches is the optimum width.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • jeeplyonjeeplyon Posts: 3
    Thanks for the info. You have been a big help. One more question. I may add some lift anyway, just to improve the look. Do you have any advise on how to choose how much and the best way to accomplish? Thanks Again.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,287
    I'll have to let erickpl or Mac answer that question; with the exception of Bilstein shocks I've kept the suspension of my TJ stock.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    Good to see you Mac and Terry. I hope all is well.

    Still some MIA. I may have to track them down.
  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    Several different routes you can take.
    I would recommend a spring spacer lift. You can also go with a small body lift or a suspension lift.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I'm an old timer now???? :)

    I've only been on here since 2001. hehehe

    If you are wanting to add a lift simply for looks, the budget boost is a good option for you - low cost, easy enough to do.

    Basically, the budget boost is some spacers that go on TOP of the coil springs. You remove the shocks, lower the axle, pop the spring out, install spacer on body end (on top), then reinstall the spring and a longer shock. Do that for all 4 corners. It is much simpler than it may sound here.

    If you want to get new, longer springs and shocks, you can go with a package from Old Man Emu (OME) or Rubicon Express (RE). When you lift your rig, your axles will shift a bit to the side due to the track bar (which keeps it centered side to side normally). A longer track bar will usually solve this, but most go with an adjustable trackbar from JKS or Rubicon Express. So these package lifts will have springs, shocks, adjustable trackbars, and sometimes sway bar disconnects (to give better articulation to the front axles offroad).

    I, Tom, and Mac all run OME suspensions and I LOVE how it rides on and offroad. My 97's springs were worn anyway so a complete setup was a better option for me. Your 04 may still have good springs and the budget boost may be a good way to go. For daily drive use, lifts between 2-4" is common (I have 3" lift and 1.25" body lift). With a 2" lift you could run 32x11.5" tires no problem as long as the wheel's backspacing was lower than the factory wheels which are 5.5".

    If you have stock wheels, you CAN add wheel spacers, which I did, but you can also put on some wheels with backspacing in the 4.25" range (American Racing 767 AR767 black steel wheels are popular) and run those wider tires.

    With a 4" lift you could run 33's easily.

    Ideally, you'll want to keep your SUSPENSION lift (budget or package) under 4" to avoid steering and driveline angle complications. But a 2.5" lift like OME with a 1" body lift (which raises the body off the frame a bit) is a VERY popular and reliable setup with minimal complications.

    Any other questions, just ask.

    Here is my TJ with the OME lift, JKS body lift and 33x12.5" tires on stock wheels (I used SpiderTrax 1.25" spacers to move the wheels out a bit to avoid rub).



  • jeeplyonjeeplyon Posts: 3
    Thanks for the advise. I learned more in that one posting than I did searching the internet for days. Great Looking Jeep. That's what I'm shooting for.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Hehehe too funny.

    Just let us know if you have any other questions. The way I did it worked well for me, but there are a LOT of options out there. I'll naturally recommend what I've done as I can relay what worked well in my situation, but others have done things that I would LIKE to do, but didn't really fit with my budget or my intended Jeep use.

  • tool58tool58 Posts: 1
    I have a 4cyl auto trans Wrangler runs fine until engine is hot [not overheating] then it will miss a couple of times and shut down it will then start and run maybe 20 miles or so and repeat process nobody locally seems to be able to find the problem
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Do you get any codes displayed or the check engine light? May be worth taking it to auto parts store.

    When was the last time you swapped plugs or changed the wires? When I got my 97, replacing the plugs and wires was one of the first things I did and it has run pretty smoothly until I ruined a throttle position sensor while in the mud. :D THAT threw the check engine light.

  • Hi folks. I just ordered an '08 JK Sahara Unlimited with hard top, auto trans, and a 3.73:1 rear axle. I would like to swap out the factory wheels and tires with the 17 inch JK Rubicon wheels and Firestone Destination M/T LT285/70R17 tires. I really don't want to go too large and I realize that these will not be that much bigger than the factory 18 inch wheels and P255/70R18 tires that come standard. Just a different look and slightly bigger. I intend to also add the Warn Rock Crawler Bumper with the Warn Power Plant HP winch mounted on it (front) and the Rampage Recovery bumper (rear). I then want to slightly "spacer" lift the Jeep to give it "that look." Given the wheel/tire size and the additional weight of the bumpers/winch, and so as not to make the wheel/tire combo look small in the opening, any thoughts on what size spacers I should use? 3/4 inch? 1-3/4 inch? 2 inch? Different size front and rear? Any recommendations on replacing shocks? How soon is the tax rebate coming?

    Any help, advice, or guidance is appreciated.

    Thanks. Steve

    And remember, let's be careful out there...
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    Chinese copy er
  • karlw90karlw90 Posts: 59
    Hey all, it's been a while since I posted here. I have been on here since I've owned my 2005 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. I'm finally making some changes that I've been putting off for a while.

    First off, any opinions on lift kits? I am working with a local mechanic to do the actual work, he recommended Skyjacker, he said in his work with installing suspension lifts, Skyjacker always fits the best. I found a few quotes for the 2.5" Skyjacker lift at around $750. Note that even with the lift I will be doing little off-roading, so I don't think OME is necessary, even though from what I read it's the best. He's quoting me around $375 for labor, which includes adjusting the turn stops for larger tires. I am doing a 2.5" lift so I can fit 32x11.5 tires. I've read several people running Pro Comp lifts, which seem to be on the cheaper end in terms of cost, but they don't have 2.5" inch lift - just 2" or 4", from what I could find. Plus I question why they are so much cheaper than the other lift kits.

    I'll be going with BFG A/T tires. I'm debating whether to buy 4 or 5 - at this point, I can't afford to get the rear bumper/spare tire holder replaced to be able to fit a 32" tire. So in the near future, if I get a flat, I'll be calling a tow truck. I've read that running the spare stock 29" with a 32" is a very big no-no.

    As always, thanks in advance with any info.
  • karlw90karlw90 Posts: 59
    I own a 2005 2-door Unlimited. There are a lot of Jeeps in the Chicago area, but I see VERY few 2-door Unlimiteds. I like the fact that I own a model of Jeep that very few others seem to have went with.

    I am kind of surprised, actually, that so few bought it. I think it's the perfect combination of getting some extra cargo/seating space in back without having to drive a 4-door vehicle. I love how it looks with the top down and the doors off.

    Oh well, just my opinion. I guess we're in the minority - which I like!
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Personally, I'd stay away from both Skyjacker and Procomp. Experiences I've heard from owners talks about rougher rides, joints not lasting, etc.

    I personally would recommend either a Rubicon Express or OME lift. I personally have OME (Old Man Emu - partnered with ARB here in the US), and I've been thrilled with how it handles on AND offroad. Traintracks, turns with bumps, are MUCH better with the OME and JKS parts I have installed. has OME 'kits' with JKS parts as well and are a GREAT match for your TJ. Dirk Sanders runs the place (I personally think DPG stands for Dirk the Parts Guy) and will help you set something up.

    Their Ultimate kit includes springs, shocks, JKS trackbars to help keep axles centered, JKS sway bar disconnects, bump stops, body lift, motor lift, and it a pretty darn complete setup. Though I bought mine over time, those are the parts I run. Been VERY happy with it thus far.

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