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Ford Expedition



  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I have one of those in the Eddie Bauer trim that lives and parks across the street from me. They are sharp...
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    Greetings everyone,

    I was faced with the choice of a 2004 or 2005 Expedition and in the process the 260 hp, or the 300 hp engine. I ended up going with the 04 for a couple of reasons.

    1. A late build 04 is likely to have fewer bugs than an early build 05 with tweaks and changes.

    2. The Limited Editions for 05 are likely an excuse for a price bump to bolster Fords bottom line. Can't blame them for this, I just don't want to exceed 40K.

    3. The 3v 5.4 IS NOT what you would expect. The older motors have a better acceleration off the line without question. Ask the people who own them - the new F-150 owners who've driven and owned the older 260hp version. Only when the new motor gets into the upper RPMs does the extra 40hp become apparent. This may have something to do with the new throttle-by-wire system, I don't know. I DO know that you're buying a 3 ton SUV - NOT a sports car here people. The older motor will get the job done without question - and in some cases do a better job than the new version.

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Let me weigh in here on this old motor as well.

    The 260hp 5.4 Triton was the engine in my 99 Navigator also. About a minute and a half after I bought mine, they brought out the 5.4L Intech engine, with 4V DOHC, but I missed it.

    I never lacked for power, even towing, even towing up long grades and hills. Never. And that engine performed flawlessly for the 65,000 miles that I owned the car. I loved that engine.

    Frankly, I don't notice the increased power much. This is an equally good engine, and maybe under load, it would be stronger. But the 260hp engine was always plenty for me too.
  • nckracernckracer Posts: 7
    My lease is up on my '03 Expy, so I ordered an '05 Eddie Bauer 4X4 with all options except for second row captains chairs. The only reason I didn't go with the limited is the monotone paint scheme. I still like the two tone, just looks a little nicer. I ordered it on the 24th of May. I have a vehicle order confirmation but no build date yet. No pricing has been released yet, but dealer guaranteed me invoice price plus any available rebates. I've been told to expect delivery after the first of August.
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    It'll be a miracle if you take delivery in August. You should plan on delivery some time in the first half of September. Job 1 for 05 Expeditions is August 2.

    The order for my 04 took about 8 weeks and they tell you to plan on 6 to 8. You can't count on 6 to 8 starting until job 1 for the 05 production run I would guess. Maybe this is a question for your dealer.

    Also, I'd want the invoice - incentives in writing. Unless you have it in black and white, it doesn't matter what they said.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Our '03 Eddie-B XP only has squealing brakes out of the 1-2-3 problems recently discussed. We now have 32K on it and at least 10K of that was in traffic so I would expect to have to replace pads now. I find it odd that they just make a slight noise that is probably the wear indicators, not like any I've heard before.

    What would one expect to pay for pad replacement with ceramic Raysbestos, or as they probably call it here, Bubba-sbestos or my-other-brother-ray's-doing-asbestos-he-can?

    Welcome back to gas, oil, heck even anti-freeze as I'm not fluid prejudice.
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    Cost on the replacements with the new Ford ceramic pads will run you between $300 and $400. These are prices I've seen thrown around the net.

    Now, a set of decent ceramic pads from will run you about $90 plus say $100-$110 for installation you can do it for $100-$200 cheaper by going with aftermarket pads and having the installation done at a mom-and-pop shop near you.

    Whether or not you want to do this is a decision you have to make. Some folks have to have their work done at the dealership in order to be happy.

  • I am trying to add / check the R-134a in the A/C system in my 2001 Expedition ED with rear a/c. I can't find the low pressure value to check the system pressure / level of freon. I have found the high side right in front of the battery on the passenger side. Any idea where the low side valve is located?

  • jeff88jeff88 Posts: 94
    Just bought the 2004 and love it. However, I did notice a couple of items on the '05 that I might miss a little:

    raised roof rails -- I like these better than the current rack; am going to use the thule from the old explorer we had with longer bars.

    power folding mirrors -- had those added to my '04 from navigator parts. it ran me another grand to have done. Looks like the EB doesn't get them and I'd have gone with the eb over the ltd anyway.

    Not sure the engine would have made a lot of difference to me. the '04 is pretty studly as it is. would have liked a 5 sp tranny tho, one more gear between 1st and 3rd would have been nice.
  • lauroblaurob Posts: 9
    Looking for an Expy to replace lemon Honda Odyssey...
    Been reading these forums for info & have come across a few mentions of "X-Plan" for better prices. Would someone kindly explain & give info on where to find this plan?
    Thank You
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    is only available to Ford Motor Co. employees, or relatives of same. It gives you the car at essentially the dealer cost.
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    X-Plan is available to anyone now nvbanker. All you need to do is find someone who is willing to part with one of their pins. I should know because my wife's uncle hooked us up on our 04 Expedition.

    X-Plan pricing is MSRP * .87 or about $200 less than invoice. This essentially worked out to about a $1500 price difference from our best negotiated price.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Wow..... But your Uncle is a relative.... What you're saying though, is they don't have to be a relative anymore, a friend could hook you up? Are pins limited?
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    No kidding. Here's the kicker - my wife's uncle knows the person who hooked us up with the pin. So in actual fact, we got the pin from a family friend. This worked great and there were no problems along the way. So X-Plan is now open, not just to relatives and family, but "friends" as well. This essentially means that anyone can access the program.

    I do think the pins are still limited to a certain number each person can use each year. I think 2 is the number if I remember right.

    X-Plan is a good deal and is the only one available to the general public, but A or D Plan (essentially the same thing) rule them all. These are only available to employees of dealerships, or employees of Ford. This brings the price in ~$1500 under X-Plan.
  • alwaysfords2alwaysfords2 Posts: 339
    I think there is a big difference between "X plan is open to the public" and people who are giving out their pins. Your family seems to have opened it up to the public, not Ford.
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    "I think there is a big difference between "X plan is open to the public" and people who are giving out their pins. Your family seems to have opened it up to the public, not Ford. "

    No sir. X-Plan is now open to anyone who can obtain a pin - even you. There is no longer any requirement by Ford to prove a familial connection in order for the discount to apply. This means that if you can find someone who is willing to part with one of their allocated pins each year, you can receive the discount too. I never said "X-Plan is open to the public" - go check the posts.

    Have a nice day always.
  • alwaysfords2alwaysfords2 Posts: 339
    You are correct, you didn'y say "public", you said "general public".

    Post 1314 - "X-Plan is a good deal and is the only one available to the general public..."

    Ford must have recently changed their position on this, the last two times I've used the X discount they were pretty dilligent about verifying where the pin came from. The last time I used it was in September. The more the merrier if they are getting looser with the policy, but I would imagine it could have also been at your dealer level rather than corporate policy.
  • tourguidetourguide Posts: 190
    I think the shift in position on this discount program is probably due to Ford wanting to do everything it can to maximize market share. It makes sense when you think about it. Why would Ford want to put barriers up for people to own their vehicles? I could understand still being picky about A or D plans.
  • sbspencesbspence Posts: 16
    We have a chance to pick up a 1997 Eddie Bauer with only 30 k on the clock from the original owner. Were these good units? What areas should we look into for possible problems. .. ? THANKS!
  • davantdavant Posts: 294

    I'd look elsewhere because it sounds like someone tinkered with the odometer and moved it to the clock. A 1997 model actually should have about 3.7 million ticks (minutes) on the clock regardless of how far it's been driven, LOL. Seriously though, reliability has been average, 3 on a 5 scale. It's plenty big, more trucklike than todays models, a bit weak on power maybe except with the 5.4L. I had a 97 truck and it went through several ball joints, not sure if that was a trend or just mine. If you like the price and it's been maintained well, go for it. This site has some excellent reviews and comparisons not to mention good price guides, no I don't work for them. One of the factors that would weigh heavily here is MPG. Think about life with mileage in the low teens or worse (you didn't say if it was 2 or 4WD) and that gas isn't getting any cheaper. These factors could be used as bargaining chits. For instance, you're doing the owner a favor by paying all their 7 y/o gas-hog is worth considering the uncertainty of world fuel markets. At that age you can expect alot more things to start going wrong. Best guess here is pay no more than 40 percent of original purchase price despite the very low mileage.

    Fuel prices are the only thing that separates us from complete joy with our '03 Expie 2WD 5.4L Eddie-B, best of luck.
  • jeff88jeff88 Posts: 94
    My company participates in this plan as we also use ford for company cars (as well as gm). All I needed at the time of the transaction was the x-plan #; there was no verifiation process so it seems that this number would be easily transferrable. The x-plan # populated a pricing sheet that was below invoice but did not deter the dealer(s) from attempting to add their usual list of add-on fees; well, you can't blame them for trying...

    Am concerned about the posts on the advance trac issues and since I have that option on our '04, what were the early signs of trouble? did you have to be in 4x4 mode, or did this occur in 2wd as well?

    BTW, with 6k on the truck, we still love it. It is really a nice family ride!
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    Not much point in discussing Ford X-Plan pricing with so much 2004 Expedition inventory (many built in early fall of 2003)on hand. Dealers are throwing in nearly all of their hold back money just to move the units off their lots in anticipation of the 2005 Expy with 5.4 3V. Pricing is way under any X-Plan right now with just a minor amount of the proverbial haggling. Dealers still come out on 1% Blue Oval money and may salvage 0.5% holdback money. If you trade they have your trade-in to sell that has been "booked" at dead wholesale. Still making a profit.

    Aren't A & Z Plan purchases an early in the model year happening? I never have had the chance so I don't know-inside deals are a turn off (much like dealer employee demos)since someone has to pay for Ford and the dealers to turn their meager profits. Ha!
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    What do you mean by "dead wholesale" on a trade. I'm assuming it's the lowest possible trade-in figure they can reasonably ask for but how do they arrive at that "dead wholesale" cost?

  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Spence; if you're sure of the original owner and mileage, it may be a good deal. You didn't give us much in details, 4WD/2WD, engine size, etc; but here are some pointers. The 4.6L is pretty anemic IMO for that size truck, especially if 4WD. If it has the 5.4L, that would be ok, but even that engine only gives you 230hp in that year. In 99, it was boosted to 260, which was plenty of power. 97 was the first year out, but even so, they were pretty good units with few chronic problems.
  • fx4fx4 Posts: 72
    Just an expression of mine. Just say wholesale.

    Here in the Eastern Tennessee, the price of gasoline has created a bit of buyers market for new 2004 Expedition. The dealers still will not admit that they are selling below "invoice" which is right around 89% of MSRP for the Expedition model. The actual dealer cost is 4% less than invoice, that being 3% holdback and 1% Blue Oval money. The dealers just will not admit that they are throwing in all or even part of the holdback. But, they are really are
    selling at 86 to 87% of MSRP before rebates just to move the remaining inventory.

    My new 2004 Expedition NBX is smooth and drives better than my 2003 FX4 and the new 4R75W tranny is a nice upgrade from previous 4R70W. But, I am just sick and tired of the OEM tires (Continental ContiTrac TR). The right front it a good 1/16" out of round and they pull to the right or the left as you rotate the front tires. This Detroit cheapo tire thing for high priced vehicles is totally out of hand. Lead weight makers should be happy given how much is used by the Michigan Truck factory trying to get the above ContiTrac TRs out the door. My brothers' new 2002 or maybe 2003 Suburbans have those cheap Firestone Wilderness (or something). They too just shake their heads in disgust.

    Ford doesn't bother to provide a spare for new a Expedition that matches the tires on the ground. In my case TRs on the ground and Conttrac SUV on the spare rack. Must save Ford $6-8.

    ..oh well I'll just drive the wheels off what is now my 11th new Ford Suv ...enjoy the trusty 5.4L..there's always a brighter side..
  • I have an 04 Expedition with Sirius Sat installed. I am unable to play Sat radio in dual mode while DVD is playing. AM/FM/CD work fine. Anyone know if this is normal and if so, is there a fix?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Interesting about the spare. My new 04 Mountaineer not only has a matching spare tire, but also a matching aluminum wheel under the truck. AND, Goodrich tires, which seem to be pretty good. I don't know what it is with the Continental thing. My last Mountaineer had Goodyears and my Navigator had Michelins.
  • alwaysfords2alwaysfords2 Posts: 339
    I think Ford is offering a michelin upgrade for $150 (at purchase) if you want to get away from the Conti's.
  • slotoyslotoy Posts: 14
    A friend just bought a new 4WD Eddie Bauer Expedition. He swears it does not have external temp display. Ford specs show that it is standard equipment. Where is the display located?
  • gheimurgheimur Posts: 88
    He needs to push the display button on the heater/ac control. It can
    either display the outside temp or the a/c heater temp settings. The
    dual display will display both zone settings passenger and driver
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