Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

kyfdx

I think all of us know people who work with their hands, that can no longer do it.

Barbers, dental hygienists, etc, etc..

A lot of my co-workers were virtual cripples, by the time they made it to retirement age.

jmonroe1

tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

@nyccarguy said:

I’m currently at a plumbing supply conference in Scottsdale, AZ. Good lord, the vehicular eye candy is unreal:

Remind me to never tip my plumber

Some of the most well off people I know are in the trades and construction.

I would recommend any younger person not interested in college to learn a trade. Plumbing, HVAC and electrical is always needed.

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Now you tell me. Where were you 60 years ago? Never mind, I know what you’re going to say.

jmonroe

stickguy

That’s why JM is making so much flipping he had to buy extra coffee cans to keep up

venture

tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

@nyccarguy said:

I’m currently at a plumbing supply conference in Scottsdale, AZ. Good lord, the vehicular eye candy is unreal:

Remind me to never tip my plumber

Some of the most well off people I know are in the trades and construction.

I would recommend any younger person not interested in college to learn a trade. Plumbing, HVAC and electrical is always needed.

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My grandson went to Penn State for one term. He couldn't stand it.

He applied and was accepted into the electrical union. Right now he is working at Beaver Stadium at Penn State on their $700 million renovation.

He sent a video from on top of the scoreboard.

Sandman6472

Love that black GTO and the alloys fit it perfectly! I've always thought the right alloy wheels can make or break a vehicle that's why I'll only buy something with alloys that look good to me. Did give the VW store a bit of a hassle when I got the Golf as I hated the OEM alloys that the SE version came with. After a few tries and eventually getting the correct 17" wheels selected, they gave me 5 minutes to make a final decision. Talks about a tough decision. It was either the 10-spoke wheels or the 15-spoke ones both coming off a couple of Jetta's. Eventually chose the "SEL" 17" alloys but whenever I see the other choice on another VW product, I question myself about the decision I made. The thing about VW 17" alloys, they have many styles that will fit and so many look really great. Saw a nice 5-spoke set from a Passat that would've looked great also on OfferUp but the total cost of swapping wheels was just way too much to justify. For an even swap...maybe worth it but the cost of everything was just crazy. I thought I was just plum crazy for even considering such a swap but knew folks in here would get it. The correct alloy wheels really make a vehicle look that much better!

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

That’s why JM is making so much flipping he had to buy extra coffee cans to keep up

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I think you can say I had the best of the both worlds. Started off as an Industrial Electrician Grade ‘B’ (glorified name for a helper) at the company i eventually retired from as an EE after graduating from night school. I really liked that first job, i learned quite a bit about hands on stuff, but even at my youngest age I knew I didn’t want to be doing that when I was 45. So, after gaining some weight sitting behind a desk for over 45 years, when my son decided to try his hand at flipping I got to use those hands on skills again. I know that saved us a lot of money. I also know flipping wouldn’t be as profitable if we had to pay for everything and just installed kitchen cabinets (done poorly) and swung a paint brush like a lot of flippers do.

FWIW, when I had my hands on job there were plumbers in our group that showed me how to do some of that trade. As a result, sweating copper tubing doesn’t scare me and I was happy to show off that skill until PEX came along and ruined that. However, doing a lot of your own plumbing saves quite a bit there too.

I’m just glad I can buy coffees cans online at a good price.

jmonroe

roadburner

I might have mentioned that the judge’s secretary also has a Sahara 4xe. Well get this; she took it to a Jeep Jamboree but she definitely won't do that again- because her husband insisted on thoroughly washing the Jeep after every trail run...

laurasdada

But rationally

nyccarguy said:

Last but not least

Reminds me of my first couple of visits to LA (Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades) to visit my father and brother. Head on a swivel with all the car eye-candy! Bro, who could likely afford most of 'em, drove a Honda Odyssey; not a car guy. His wife, however, drove a Land Rover; she wouldn't touch anything domestic in her home or garage!

qbrozen

@venture said:

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My grandson went to Penn State for one term. He couldn't stand it.

He applied and was accepted into the electrical union. Right now he is working at Beaver Stadium at Penn State on their $700 million renovation.

He sent a video from on top of the scoreboard.

Didn’t he need some training to get in?

Michaell

qbrozen said:

@venture said:

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My grandson went to Penn State for one term. He couldn't stand it.

He applied and was accepted into the electrical union. Right now he is working at Beaver Stadium at Penn State on their $700 million renovation.

He sent a video from on top of the scoreboard.

Didn’t he need some training to get in?

Unless they offer some sort of apprenticeship?

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

@venture said:

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My grandson went to Penn State for one term. He couldn't stand it.

He applied and was accepted into the electrical union. Right now he is working at Beaver Stadium at Penn State on their $700 million renovation.

He sent a video from on top of the scoreboard.

Didn’t he need some training to get in?

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Where I come from the only training you need to get into the local union here is to have a father or an uncle in that union and it’s been that way since that union started. Years ago I heard stories about how much it would cost you to buy your way in if you didn’t meet the first requirement. You could have bought a nice used car for that amount. And the buyers were more than happy to spend it.

jmonroe

corvette

Years ago, I dated a single mother, and she casually mentioned that her ex paid something like $15/month for having their kid on his health insurance, which made no sense at all to me, because I've looked at benefits packages for every job I've applied to. I asked how it was so cheap, and her response was "union."

venture

qbrozen said:

@venture said:

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My grandson went to Penn State for one term. He couldn't stand it.

He applied and was accepted into the electrical union. Right now he is working at Beaver Stadium at Penn State on their $700 million renovation.

He sent a video from on top of the scoreboard.

Didn’t he need some training to get in?

Like Michael said. He started as an apprentice. He's smart...and they knew it.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

nyccarguy said:

I’m currently at a plumbing supply conference in Scottsdale, AZ. Good lord, the vehicular eye candy is unreal:

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And no rust. @oldfarmer50 has to be salivating.

BTW, if you have the time get me a 14 inch Ridgid pipe wrench. My old one is almost worn out. Has to be over 60 years old. As good as Ridgid is/used to be they can’t still make them like that.

jmonroe

Anybody who would let cars like that rust, should lose their license.

Michaell

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

tifighter

@Michaell said:
From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

“No changes to MSRP, but we can’t guarantee that your local friendly Hyundai dealer won’t slap ADM on everything…”

kyfdx

tifighter said:

@Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

“No changes to MSRP, but we can’t guarantee that your local friendly Hyundai dealer won’t slap ADM on everything…”

Or, that the wholesale price to the dealer won't go up... resulting in higher offer prices.

stickguy

To cover the tariffs invoice would be higher than sticker.

Michaell

Just read that Audi will stop shipping vehicles to the US, as well.

Starting to look like COVID 2.0.

tifighter

Punch achieved. Film at 11.

tifighter

We’ve replaced my wife’s Y with this-

Seemingly the last NX450h+ in the Seattle area. MSRP, no tariffs. Okay, I had to take an $800 ceramic coating. 38 miles EV range. F sport. Area dealers next round of shipments showing June, although I’ve read Toyota is pausing shipments from Japan. So who knows when more will be available.

I figured we’d try it out for her. If she doesn’t like it , we should be able to get out of it pretty easily.

kyfdx

Nice!

tjc78

Congrats. Great color

stickguy

Nice color. Works ok with that grill

oldfarmer50

tifighter said:

@Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

“No changes to MSRP, but we can’t guarantee that your local friendly Hyundai dealer won’t slap ADM on everything…”

I think you can be sure of that.

carnaught

@tifighter, congrats. Like the two tone.

tifighter

I wanted to drive it off of the showroom floor but they wouldn’t let me.

stickguy

looks like the Acura from that angle.

explorerx4

What happened with the Model Y?

tifighter

Traded it. We had it for 4.5 years, now out warranty, and it was time for something different.

qbrozen

Don't see this every day

explorerx4

@tifighter,
So around a 75% hit on Yesla but probably worth it to not expose your wife to those anti Tesla lunatics.

nyccarguy

@qbrozen said:
Don't see this every day

You’ve looked at that once before, I think.

tifighter

explorerx4 said:

@tifighter,
So around a 75% hit on Yesla but probably worth it to not expose your wife to those anti Tesla lunatics.

After 4.5 years, it retained 38% of its original cost, if we base this on the trade in value. Which is always lower. That's pretty average depreciation.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

You’ve looked at that once before, I think.

don't believe I have ever looked at a Grand Vitara

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Don't see this every day

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What’s your guess as to how many times that thing has seen 25K miles?

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Don't see this every day

Can’t beat that mileage but what about parts? You used to be able to service them at GM dealers but now I expect you’d have to ship them from Japan.

qbrozen

I don’t see a reason to doubt the miles. Look at that underside.

28firefighter

@qbrozen said:
I don’t see a reason to doubt the miles. Look at that underside.

That’s what she said?

nyccarguy

@tifighter said:
Traded it. We had it for 4.5 years, now out warranty, and it was time for something different.

@tifighter - congrats on the new Lexus! It looks great in Red! Enjoy!

I was in Scottsdale for work and took a few Ubers & Lyfts since Saturday. Everything from a ‘17 Elantra with 200K miles to a guy an a G35 who was not afraid to step on it. The driver that picked me up to go to the airport this morning had a Model Y. It was very comfortable and spacious.

oldfarmer50

nyccarguy said:

@tifighter said:

Traded it. We had it for 4.5 years, now out warranty, and it was time for something different.

@tifighter - congrats on the new Lexus! It looks great in Red! Enjoy!

I was in Scottsdale for work and took a few Ubers & Lyfts since Saturday. Everything from a ‘17 Elantra with 200K miles to a guy an a G35 who was not afraid to step on it. The driver that picked me up to go to the airport this morning had a Model Y. It was very comfortable and spacious.

A fully depreciated Elantra is the way to go with ride share. Otherwise the value loss of the vehicle eats up all your profit. How could a G35 still be doing Uber, I thought they had a 15 year age limit? Didn’t they go to the G37 in 2009?

But the surprising one would be using a Tesla. With the steep depreciation curve I don’t know how a driver could make any money.

roadburner

I found my next car.

laurasdada

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

But has it found your garage?

roadburner

I ended up with a GLC 300 loaner. It's a very nice CUV, but a bit too buttoned-down and sedate for my tastes. I suspect the GLC 43 would suit me much better, although I'd still prefer a sedan. I'm still no fan of touchscreens but most functions can be accessed from the steering wheel touchpads.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

I’m guessing in the $200k+ range?

graphicguy

Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

Gee.....nothing above MSRP? How generous. This is going to be a marketing bonanza for car makers in the near term. That said, 3-4 months from now, it's going to be very bleak for both buyers and sellers.

Michaell

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

Gee.....nothing above MSRP? How generous. This is going to be a marketing bonanza for car makers in the near term. That said, 3-4 months from now, it's going to be very bleak for both buyers and sellers.

Hey, I just report the news. I very much suspect that dealers will capitalize on this situation with ADMs and other price hike shennanigans.

Wife and I were just talking this morning about how lucky we are to have a car that is:

1. Paid off
2. Has a lot of life left in it (71K miles, at the moment)

Not sure what I'd do if we were forced back into the car market. Probably find something in the $15-25K range, used, and keep our fingers crossed.

laurasdada

Yes, I was about to say: "Let's all say it together... ADM!"

Wonder what creative naming and advertising dealers will use for the ADM:
"Tariffic Pricing!"
"It's Not a Tax Tax!"
"Make Profits Great Again!"
"If You Loved Covid Pricing, This Should Bring You Back to the Good Old Days!"
"Because We Can!"
"Because...Supply and Demand"
"It's Trumptastic!"

Wonder if balloons and inflatable stick figures will be taxed... I mean tariffed?

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

I’m guessing in the $200k+ range?

$162,915

nyccarguy

Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

Because we are currently loaded with so much inventory they don't know what to do with it.

Finished that up