Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

I’m guessing in the $200k+ range?

$162,915

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With that discount from the $200K @oldfarmer50 price I don’t know how you could turn that down.

jmonroe

tifighter

“I’m aware” of one locally that might pique the interest of @roadburner

28firefighter

I was going to say "Holy depreciation" but then realized that is 5 MY old at this point.

tifighter

I mean, if you compare this vs a 5 year old Carrera S PDK with similar miles, the AMG is a bargain.

kyfdx

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

Gee.....nothing above MSRP? How generous. This is going to be a marketing bonanza for car makers in the near term. That said, 3-4 months from now, it's going to be very bleak for both buyers and sellers.

No, they didn't say anything about prices not being above MSRP. They just stated they wouldn't increase the MSRP. Dealers can charge whatever they want.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

From the CEO of Hyundai/Genesis in the US:

Hyundai and Genesis have a long history of taking care of customers. In response to the potential impact of tariffs, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America have launched programs that guarantee no MSRP increases on new Hyundai and Genesis vehicles purchased or leased until June 2, 2025.

Gee.....nothing above MSRP? How generous. This is going to be a marketing bonanza for car makers in the near term. That said, 3-4 months from now, it's going to be very bleak for both buyers and sellers.

Hyundai may have a big backlog of cars already built. I’m told our company has a thousand new ones coming in currently. If that’s just for our region it’s massive. I do know we have been pulling cars out of service like mad lately to the point where we have no more room to park them. Some have been the high mile units (50k) but a lot of them have under 20k on them. The company is not stupid when it comes to making money so something big may be happening.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

I’m guessing in the $200k+ range?

$162,915

A bargain. What are you waiting for? Wait, that price includes wheels, right?😙

kyfdx

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

I found my next car.

I’m guessing in the $200k+ range?

$162,915

A bargain. What are you waiting for? Wait, that price includes wheels, right?😙

That price is just for the wheels...

stickguy

Not sure if it is still there (Tom would know) but in philly below one of the bridges Hyundai/kia had a large staging lot. You got a great view of it from the bridge. Sometimes it was stuffed with units. Must have been thousands stacked up.

explorerx4

My local MB dealer has 7 AMG GT's ranging from 120K to 190K.
No red one's.

qbrozen

Couple of interesting ones at the same dealer. I may have to take a trip.

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2003-mazda-tribute/111798701

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2006-gmc-envoy/111481322

28firefighter

I say this, not from a place of judgement…but dang you’re all over the place.

stickguy

don't you just pity someone that can't focus on one thing?

stickguy

a 22 YO Escape doesn't do anything for me. And definitely is not something I would want to tow with.

the Envoy actually looks really clean. Could be comparable to the Xterra you were supposed to be buying.

corvette

28firefighter said:

I say this, not from a place of judgement…but dang you’re all over the place.

Unstated, unofficial philosophy of a small business I used to do IT work for: "If there's not a crisis, you must create one!"

28firefighter

I have zero room to talk with my love of old European cars. It’s been 18 months since my last truly irresponsible purchase.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Couple of interesting ones at the same dealer. I may have to take a trip.

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2003-mazda-tribute/111798701

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2006-gmc-envoy/111481322

You are getting into my hooptie terrority now. You’ve even adapted my obsession for low mileage. I love it!😄. Just a shame for both of us that the market has driven the prices so high. 5 years ago those would have been half the price. I guess now we’re competing with Joe six pack who can’t afford a newer vehicle.

My in-laws had a 2004 Tribute and loved it. My son had the 3.0L Duratec in his Mercury and it was very reliable.

qbrozen

My brother is still beating the heck out of the 3.0 Escape I sold him … I think 5 years ago? It has over 160k on it now. And he does NOT take care of his vehicles.

I don’t think I’m that scattered. I’m on $10k’ish SUVs. Except for that one sidestep towards a Panamera.

I did fail to check the towing capacity of the tribute. I had assumed it would be enough. Turns out it is only 3500 lb. Sigh.

Xterra is my go-to but buying one has been challenging. I’m kind of coming to terms with the reality that I may actually have to buy in person for the first time in a very long time.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

Couple of interesting ones at the same dealer. I may have to take a trip.

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2003-mazda-tribute/111798701

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2006-gmc-envoy/111481322

The Mazda gets my vote.

tjc78

@stickguy said:
Not sure if it is still there (Tom would know) but in philly below one of the bridges Hyundai/kia had a large staging lot. You got a great view of it from the bridge. Sometimes it was stuffed with units. Must have been thousands stacked up.

Still there

Michaell

A victim of the tariffs:

A person familiar with Volvo's plans said the company is expected to cancel U.S. orders of the S90 next year. Volvo sold 1,364 of the S90 here in 2024.

FWIW, the S90 is assembled in China.

tjc78

@Michaell said:
A victim of the tariffs:

A person familiar with Volvo's plans said the company is expected to cancel U.S. orders of the S90 next year. Volvo sold 1,364 of the S90 here in 2024.

FWIW, the S90 is assembled in China.

They aren’t selling anyway. Brokers are trying to offload them at great lease deals. If I didn’t need an SUV/Truck there would be a pearl white over blond in my driveway right now

Michaell

Michaell said:

A victim of the tariffs:

A person familiar with Volvo's plans said the company is expected to cancel U.S. orders of the S90 next year. Volvo sold 1,364 of the S90 here in 2024.

FWIW, the S90 is assembled in China.

PS, the S60 was cancelled last year, so there are no more sedans offered by Volvo.

tjc78

My S60 was one of my favorite cars I’ve owned. I had a good bit of fun with it during Covid lockdowns and open roads.

Michaell

@roadburner @fintail - you've probably already seen this, but MB is going to make the E53 wagon available in the US.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Couple of interesting ones at the same dealer. I may have to take a trip.

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2003-mazda-tribute/111798701

https://www.njwholesaleinc.com/details/used-2006-gmc-envoy/111481322

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That BHPH lot has to get a skinny camera so he can show you what’s underneath those old beasts.

jmonroe

fintail

Michaell said:

@roadburner @fintail - you've probably already seen this, but MB is going to make the E53 wagon available in the US.

Just saw that, I wonder if it will sell. FWIW E53 wagon was offered in Canada before the brand decided to limit NA market wagons to All-Terrain models (which maybe caused complaints, and here we are a few years later). I suspect MSRP around 100K will be the norm.

roadburner

A friend in the local BMW CCA chapter had a tiny amber side marker light malfunction in the the headlight assembly. The entire assembly has to be replaced (of course) and because it's a Laserlight the cost was almost $10,000.
The C43 has what M-B calls the LED Intelligent Light System. Sadly, the technology is dumbed-down to meet archaic U.S. regulations (I'm going to recode back them to European standards). That said, to my 68 year old eyes the LEDs are as good or better than the BMW Laserlights- and they cost 80% less. And now BMW has dropped Laserlights in favor of LEDs. I wonder why...

roadburner

Michaell said:

@roadburner @fintail - you've probably already seen this, but MB is going to make the E53 wagon available in the US.

The price of admission is steep, but I'd love one- and my bride would likely love it even more.

au1994

Michaell said:

Michaell said:

A victim of the tariffs:

A person familiar with Volvo's plans said the company is expected to cancel U.S. orders of the S90 next year. Volvo sold 1,364 of the S90 here in 2024.

FWIW, the S90 is assembled in China.

PS, the S60 was cancelled last year, so there are no more sedans offered by Volvo.

That just makes me sad.

Michaell

@au1994 said:
That just makes me sad.

They still offer the V60 and V90 wagons.

fintail

roadburner said:

Michaell said:

@roadburner @fintail - you've probably already seen this, but MB is going to make the E53 wagon available in the US.

The price of admission is steep, but I'd love one- and my bride would likely love it even more.

As the youngins used to say, yolo

I am at year 6 with my wagon now and it continues to be sublime high quality experience. The last major service was indeed major, but I guess you gotta pay to play (and hope this will be the biggie for several years).

stickguy

Used prices not coming down. Latest updated offer on the maverick is $29,800.

kyfdx

stickguy said:

Used prices not coming down. Latest updated offer on the maverick is $29,8000.

I'd jump on $298K.. just saying

stickguy

Fixed that for the peanut gallery

qbrozen

I have a feeling the number on my Sierra won't go up

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
Hey, it's a GMC. Way better than a Chevy.

When I bought my truck, I got a pretty good discount but there was a hidden ADM.
Wife ordered this monstrosity.

corvette

@explorerx4 - now you have to buy a bigger TV to fill the hole.

Sandman6472

OF, same thing down here. Our UCS lots are full and PBI has vehicles parked everywhere! And spring break is about over to. But luckily am working almost 30 hours/week, give or take, which is fine with me.

explorerx4

@corvette,
That's what I told the delivery guys after they assembled it.
The TV still works great. I had to put the soundbar behind the it and it doesn't sound as good as before.
Prior, it was underneath the TV on a shelf. It worked as a bass reflex setup.

tjc78

Call me crazy but I’d order a bigger TV and mount it on the wall with the soundbar underneath. Then your wife will have another shelf for pictures!

qbrozen

@explorerx4 said:
@qbrozen,
Hey, it's a GMC. Way better than a Chevy.

When I bought my truck, I got a pretty good discount but there was a hidden ADM.
Wife ordered this monstrosity.

We were recently looking for something just like that. I want taller towers, though. Where did you get that?

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

I have a feeling the number on my Sierra won't go up

Don’t be too sure. Trucks are always in demand and with the repairs you made it’s in prime condition.

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
'We' got it from Pottery Barn. My wife had picked it out many months ago and kept waiting for it to for on sale but it never did.

roadburner

fintail said:

roadburner said:

Michaell said:

@roadburner @fintail - you've probably already seen this, but MB is going to make the E53 wagon available in the US.

The price of admission is steep, but I'd love one- and my bride would likely love it even more.

As the youngins used to say, yolo

I am at year 6 with my wagon now and it continues to be sublime high quality experience. The last major service was indeed major, but I guess you gotta pay to play (and hope this will be the biggie for several years).

My advisor suggested changing out all the drivetrain fluids at the next Service B in 12 months, so I'm good with that. I only wish Mercedes had a Rewards MasterCard like BMW offers.

roadburner

Final thoughts on the GLC 300 loaner:
It is really nice. The X3 interior without the M Sport trim always felt a little cheap to me- and the newly uglified 2025 is much worse (and the M Sport package doesn't help). If I wanted a more luxury oriented CUV the GLC 300 would be my pick.
I thought the steering wheel touchpads would be annoying but I adapted to them quickly.
The Burmester audio sounded very good.
For a non-sporting CUV a 0-60 in the mid fives makes the GLC 300 a bit of an overachiever.
The ride is exemplary and handling is responsive and well controlled.
The "Hey Mercedes" system is a riot- and it actually works extremely well.
I definitely won't test drive a GLC63 SE Performance; I'd almost certainly find the low three second 0-60, eleven second quarter with Race Start irresistible.
That said, I'd still have some concerns about long term reliability, what with the 2.0 liter four making 469 hp with another 201 hp coming from the rear mounted electric motor- which itself is mated to a two speed transmission at the rear differential.

28firefighter

Okay. Who are you and what have you done with the real @roadburner? Blink twice if you’re in danger.

28firefighter

My Dad traded his ‘14 Q5 TDI and ‘11 S5 4.2 and picked up a 2025 SQ5 last week.

Here is the S5:
https://www.audiwynnewood.com/used/Audi/2011-Audi-S5--e61d6de0ac182b32cbe682dad444247d.htm

Not sure what happened to the Q5. Had much higher mileage so wondering if it went wholesale.

kyfdx

explorerx4 said:

@qbrozen,
'We' got it from Pottery Barn. My wife had picked it out many months ago and kept waiting for it to for on sale but it never did.

When we finished the lower level (2009), we shopped for entertainment centers like that. Frustrating. Eventually, we decided to have our contractor do a built-in. Not any cheaper, but where we put it, we'd never need to move it.

nyccarguy

It’s been a very busy couple of days since I returned from my trip to AZ. I got a call that my Prelude was ready for pickup on Wednesday afternoon. So I picked it up and left my truck to pick up later that evening.

Here’s what they fixed:

The rubber & metal oil cooler lines were leaking. They ended up custom fabricating new ones.

They performed a leak test on my AC and determined there were no leaks. The left a dye in there so if it ever does leak, they’ll find it. Drained out and added new refrigerant. They tested the whole AC system and determined the blower motor resistor was bad. This part is no longer made by Honda, but I found a DURALAST one from autozone that said it fit my car. Had it shipped directly to the mechanic overnight. The AC performs perfectly as it should.

They noticed some of the brackets that hold the exhaust & flex pipe in place had cracked. The mounted and welded news ones.

A few bucks in parts. More money in labor. Under $1K to get it rolling once again. Now I’ve just got to take it for its last CT emissions test ever.