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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    edited September 19

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    edited September 20
    Since the 2018 Camry is getting mixed reviews, my guess is that once the 2018 Accord comes out (on Oct. 18th) it's probably going to be best-in-class for the next year or so. Perhaps the truly stand-out model is going to be the Sport 2.0 turbo with the all-new 10-speed automatic. This model is going to have an engine similar to the Type-R Civic, but it'll take regular gas, plus you won't need to shift it. For an msrp of probably about $29.5k, this car will likely perform almost as well as an Audi A6 2.0T, but for about 20k less
  • The 2018 Accord will be a top rated vehicle but I'm pretty sure the people over at Audi aren't to concerned
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,357
    the 2.0 is probably going to be a quick package but I don't think it will be close to 29.5K. IIRC the 2.0 sport is going to be loaded up, with the 1.5l being relatively skimpy equipment, like the current model.

    I will look at the 1.5 sport as the stickshift option, though I doubt you will find many on the lot, ever, but if I decide stick with the AT, will likely go for the EX model instead.

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  • My lease is up next May. I too if I could find a 17 Sport Manuel in Nov. will buy it . Probably would need red to pull trigger.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,016
    john4545 said:

    The 2018 Accord will be a top rated vehicle but I'm pretty sure the people over at Audi aren't to concerned

    I'm pretty sure the Honda folks aren't too concerned about Audi. The Accord sells, what, around 30,000 a month and the Audi sedans together barely top 5000.
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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,401
    benjaminh said:

    Since the 2018 Camry is getting mixed reviews, my guess is that once the 2018 Accord comes out (on Oct. 18th) it's probably going to be best-in-class for the next year or so. Perhaps the truly stand-out model is going to be the Sport 2.0 turbo with the all-new 10-speed automatic. This model is going to have an engine similar to the Type-R Civic, but it'll take regular gas, plus you won't need to shift it. For an msrp of probably about $29.5k, this car will likely perform almost as well as an Audi A6 2.0T, but for about 20k less

    Well, let's wait and see. While I'm sure the automotive press will be breathless in its praise for the Accord upon introduction, Honda has had a bit of a spotty record of late with its new vehicles. The Ody van has been disappointing and any time Honda rolls out a new automatic transmission it is a situation that requires time in the hands of consumers to ensure it is durable. And of course every other manufacturer responds shortly thereafter. Time will tell.

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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,205
    ab348 said:

    benjaminh said:

    Since the 2018 Camry is getting mixed reviews, my guess is that once the 2018 Accord comes out (on Oct. 18th) it's probably going to be best-in-class for the next year or so. Perhaps the truly stand-out model is going to be the Sport 2.0 turbo with the all-new 10-speed automatic. This model is going to have an engine similar to the Type-R Civic, but it'll take regular gas, plus you won't need to shift it. For an msrp of probably about $29.5k, this car will likely perform almost as well as an Audi A6 2.0T, but for about 20k less

    Well, let's wait and see. While I'm sure the automotive press will be breathless in its praise for the Accord upon introduction, Honda has had a bit of a spotty record of late with its new vehicles. The Ody van has been disappointing and any time Honda rolls out a new automatic transmission it is a situation that requires time in the hands of consumers to ensure it is durable. And of course every other manufacturer responds shortly thereafter. Time will tell.
    If the Honda 2.0T is well-done, and the 10-speed Auto isn't too slushy, then Honda might just have a big winner on its hands! A car like that should probably be around 29-30K. I can't imagine it competing well in the $35K arena.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,357
    That replaces the current V6, and the EXL version of that with sensing is around 33k

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    edited September 20
    andres3 said:

    ab348 said:

    benjaminh said:

    Since the 2018 Camry is getting mixed reviews, my guess is that once the 2018 Accord comes out (on Oct. 18th) it's probably going to be best-in-class for the next year or so. Perhaps the truly stand-out model is going to be the Sport 2.0 turbo with the all-new 10-speed automatic. This model is going to have an engine similar to the Type-R Civic, but it'll take regular gas, plus you won't need to shift it. For an msrp of probably about $29.5k, this car will likely perform almost as well as an Audi A6 2.0T, but for about 20k less

    Well, let's wait and see. While I'm sure the automotive press will be breathless in its praise for the Accord upon introduction, Honda has had a bit of a spotty record of late with its new vehicles. The Ody van has been disappointing and any time Honda rolls out a new automatic transmission it is a situation that requires time in the hands of consumers to ensure it is durable. And of course every other manufacturer responds shortly thereafter. Time will tell.
    If the Honda 2.0T is well-done, and the 10-speed Auto isn't too slushy, then Honda might just have a big winner on its hands! A car like that should probably be around 29-30K. I can't imagine it competing well in the $35K arena.

    I agree. At 35k Accord would lose buyers or pass on this vehicle , I'm sure Honda is well aware of where there ideal price range is on this vehicle . I'd say for under 30k this would be the ideal price range to nail down buyers looking for something with a little more enjoyment


    If the V-6 model is being replaced ( which I haven't heard any talks of yet ) then Honda probably will raise pricing higher on the 2.0T models



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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,357
    The 2.0t replaces the V6 models basically.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 58,966
    Isn't the current Accord Touring approaching $35K now? I can't see prices going down with the new model.

    Of course, MSRP and average transaction price are two different things.

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,016
    Really? I think I paid $26k for my '13 EX-L. That was the 4 cyl, which the vast majority of buyers choose.
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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    edited September 20
    2017 Accord Touring Invoice's at $32,809. Most buyers across country and in the Accord forums are getting between 2k and 3k below invoice right now.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 58,966
    brian125 said:

    2017 Accord Touring Invoice's at $32,809. Most buyers across country and in the Accord forums are getting between 2k and 3k below invoice right now.

    And, what is the MSRP?

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    edited September 20
    suydam said:

    Really? I think I paid $26k for my '13 EX-L. That was the 4 cyl, which the vast majority of buyers choose.

    My 2013 EXL V-6 stickered at $30,070. Invoice price at that time was $27,502

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    The Accord V-6 probably sells about 12% of the models line up . Haven't seen Accord Touring sales numbers this year . Accord LX to the EXL model are the big sellers

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,357
    Top model touring hybrid must push 35k. EXL V6 with navi and sensing I think is at least 33k. Heck, a touring CRV is over 34k

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    edited September 20
    Current Accord msrps for the 2017 model before destination are:
    LX: 22,455
    Sport: 24,515
    EX: 25,830
    EXL: 28,920
    EXL V-6: 30,995
    Touring: 34,930

    The current LX price-leader comes with a manual transmission, and doesn't have HondaSensing. When you add the CVT and Honda Sensing, an LX has an msrp of $24,255. All 2018 Accords are going to have HondaSensing standard, which used to be a $1000 option on most models. My guesses for the msrps before destination for the 2018 Accord are...

    2018 Accord LX CVT Sensing: c. $25k.
    2018 Sport 1.5 manual: c.27k
    2018 Sport 2.0 manual: c. 28.5k
    2018 Sport 2.0 10speed auto: c. 29.5k
    EX 1.5 CVT: c. 28.5K
    EXL 1.5: c. 31.5k
    EXL 2.0: c. 33.5k
    Touring 1.5: 33.5k
    Touring 2.0: 35.5 k

    Just guesses, of course. We'll probably find out in the next week or so.

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,401
    Current Touring V-6 lists at $34930 before options. You can run up to $40K if you add optional wheels and some other toys.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,357
    I think you are low on 2.0 sport, since rumor was that it would come loaded so might price like an EXL. I hope you are right on the 1.5 EX.

    Really need at least equipment levels released so I can figure out which ones fit my needs. Though pricing will certainly come in handy.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    stickguy said:

    I think you are low on 2.0 sport, since rumor was that it would come loaded so might price like an EXL. I hope you are right on the 1.5 EX.

    Really need at least equipment levels released so I can figure out which ones fit my needs. Though pricing will certainly come in handy.

    Equipment levels will probably be similar to what we've got now. I don't think any Sport is going to come loaded. But it should be a lot of car for the money. We'll soon see.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877

    And, since you're as obsessed with seats as I am with visibility, I have to tell you that Honda's leather seats are better. It's not just that they are covered with different material, it's that they are more comfortable and more precisely contoured. So, because of your understandable focus on seats, I think you're going to need to try the EXL.

    My wife's 2013 EXL Accord is more comfortable than my 2016 Accord EX. Don't get me wrong, the 2016 Accord EX is comfortable, with good seats covered in nice fabric, but the EXL is the next level.

    Ditto, I'm afraid, with the sound systems. My 2016 Accord EX sound system is adequate, but....My wife's 2013 Accord EXL's sound system is actually nice. Easy for me to tell the difference. EX=sometimes slightly tinny and harsh EXL=richer and nicer sound, with much better bass.

    The bottom line is that while an EX Accord is a good car for the money, and drives just as well, when it comes to seat comfort and sound, the Accord EXL is just better. But, obviously, you pay for that.
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    benjaminh said:

    Current Accord msrps for the 2017 model before destination are:
    LX: 22,455
    Sport: 24,515
    EX: 25,830
    EXL: 28,920
    EXL V-6: 30,995
    Touring: 34,930

    The current LX price-leader comes with a manual transmission, and doesn't have HondaSensing. When you add the CVT and Honda Sensing, an LX has an msrp of $24,255. All 2018 Accords are going to have HondaSensing standard, which used to be a $1000 option on most models. My guesses for the msrps before destination for the 2018 Accord are...

    2018 Accord LX CVT Sensing: c. $25k.
    2018 Sport 1.5 manual: c.27k
    2018 Sport 2.0 manual: c. 28.5k
    2018 Sport 2.0 10speed auto: c. 29.5k
    EX 1.5 CVT: c. 28.5K
    EXL 1.5: c. 31.5k
    EXL 2.0: c. 33.5k
    Touring 1.5: 33.5k
    Touring 2.0: 35.5 k

    Just guesses, of course. We'll probably find out in the next week or so.

    I the 2018 mazda6 will be in for trouble with the new arrival of the 2018 Accord Sport 2.0 manual: @28.5k

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,696
    edited September 20
    2018 BMW offers the 320i Manuel
    (2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo 6-speed) w/ sports app. and track handling a $5500 option for

    Invoice
    $39,535

    MSRP
    $41,695

    Could Honda take sales from this model???/

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    edited September 20




    I the 2018 mazda6 will be in for trouble with the new arrival of the 2018 Accord Sport 2.0 manual: @28.5k



    Yes, this model in particular is what I think of as the "Car and Driver Special." It's going to be made and sold in very small numbers, but it's a good bet that one of them is going to be sent to Car and Driver. The 2.0 with the type R Turbo with the 6-speed manual is their weapon to stay on the Ten Best List imho.

    I think Honda will end up selling quite a lot of the 2.0 Sport with the all-new 10-speed auto, although who knows how that transmission is going to work out. Too many gears??

    For the current generation, the "Sport" has very good tires, but aside from that it's an appearance package, and the power is not impressive from the current 2.4. That 2.4 NA gives good power for a family sedan, and I really like it, but....the 2.0 is going to be a whole different level. That 2.0 Accord "Sport" is probably going to earn that "Sport" name for the first time.

    The new 1.5 turbo in the 2018 Accord is similar to the Si's turbo, and it will probably be a little faster than the 2.4, but not by much.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    Production began on Sept. 18th on the 2018 Accord....

    "Sep 18, 2017 - MARYSVILLE, OH
    Associates at Honda of America Mfg., Inc. (HAM) today celebrated the start of mass production of the all-new 2018 Honda Accord...."

    http://hondanews.com/releases/honda-to-add-300-new-jobs-invest-267-million-to-support-increased-auto-manufacturing-in-ohio

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,877
    Mostly positive review by Edmunds of the 2018 Camry XLE....

  • john4545john4545 Posts: 33
    edited September 21
    The best review on any vehicle is your test drive. That's what really counts. Most Camry reviews talk about a firm ride with this model.

    @benjaminh
    What is the HP on the 2018, 2.0T Accord
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