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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,006
    edited September 22
    The Buick Encore has 18" tires which seems right for it. The Volt and my '13 Accord have 17s, which to me feels right for a compact/midsize car.
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,197
    suydam said:

    The Buick Encore has 18" tires which seems right formit. The Volt and my '13 Accord have 17s, which to me feels right for a compact/midsize car.

    To put it in perspective, my hot hatch '06 Audi A3 came with 17" wheels, and that includes the "sport package" version I chose. Summer 225/45R17. I hesitated upgrading to 18" wheels on it, and considered staying with 17's. It was a relative performance car, funny to me that Accord's and Camry's have to come with large wheels now.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    RB, you have performance cas. Accord LX is an entry level family sedan, where $ is still supposed to count! 225/50-17 seems perfect for a car like the accord. 235/45-18 for he sport. Anything bigger is probably counterproductive, especially in the mid level models.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    And yes, the roads around here, especially into philly, really are that bad.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 22
    Sorry. My mistake. The 2018 Accord LX gets 17" tires, specifically 225/50/R17. Sport gets 19" tires: 235/40/R19. Not sure what model we were looking at in the video.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    So I pegged it! Nice. Might get 18s on the the EX or touring. Something splitting the difference. Like 225/45. Or just the same 17s

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    I think my 2002 Accord LX had 15" tires. Here's what the Jetta SE gets, which seems like a good tire for this size of car.


    16" Sedona Black alloy wheels
    16" all-season tires 205/55R16H

    http://www.vw.com/models/jetta/trims/2017/2017-14t-se-trim/edit/tab/summary/
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    That is fine for me. Maybe go to 215 width for a smudge more contact patch

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,389
    The arms race on wheel sizes has really taken off. My '02 Intrigue had 16" which I thought was very sporty at the time. My '09 Lacrosse had 17" which seemed not useful on that car but looked nice. My '11 Regal had 18" which looked good. My '14 ATS had 17" which looked too small, my new one has 18" which look good but I think 19" might look better. A friend's new 6-cyl Camaro has 20".

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 22
    Redline gives a mixed review for the Jetta 1.4T

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,857
    edited September 22
    My 91 Mustang has 16 inch wheels, which were not common at that time.
    My wife MKC has 20's, but it rides pretty well.
    The 18's on my Fusion definitely ride better than the 19's on my prior Fusion.
    The truck has 20's with tall sidewalls on the tire. They are a lot taller than the tires on the MKC.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,197
    How about some 22's for your next Jeep?


    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    A few months ago I thought the Camry might steal the Accord's spot on C&D's ten best list, but it doesn't look like it:

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-toyota-camry-se-25l-test-review

    "this 2018 Camry SE managed to circle our 300-foot skidpad at an impressive 0.88 g ....Even more impressive was the Camry SE’s 45-mpg showing on our 75-mph highway fuel-economy run, which is 1 mpg better than that of the Camry hybrid.The four-cylinder’s straight-line performance was less rousing. Zero to 60 mph required 7.9 seconds, just 0.1 second ahead of the old car. Meanwhile, the new Camry’s slow-to-downshift automatic transmission contributed to a 50-to-70-mph passing time of 6.0 seconds, 0.4 second worse than the previous-generation Camry SE and 1.2 seconds behind the Mazda 6....

    Cost cutting, however, is apparent on the center console and door panels, which feature harder plastics. Shutting this Camry SE’s doors resulted in a disappointingly hollow sound unbecoming of a vehicle with a starting price of $26,095. Other demerits include Toyota’s ...lack of Apple CarPlay or Android Auto....Although family-sedan shoppers who prize driving engagement will be better served by a Honda Accord or a Mazda 6, choosing a Camry no longer means forsaking satisfying driving dynamics."
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,277
    But the new Camry is a "Wild One!"
    Haven't you seen the ads?

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    well, 7.9 is going to be plenty for most buyers. Basically all the ones that were fine with 8.0 last year.

    The thing I did not like was the huge angled dash jut out on the passenger side. My wife hated it also.

    and .88 Gs in a Camry? Wow. And hard to argue with the MPG.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    benjaminh said:

    Sorry. My mistake. The 2018 Accord LX gets 17" tires, specifically 225/50/R17. Sport gets 19" tires: 235/40/R19. Not sure what model we were looking at in the video.

    A base model Honda Accord gets reasonably comparative tires that the new digi-dash Corvette had in 1987. It had 245-50-16" tires. So, smaller diameter but wider cross section..so a pretty good comparison.

    Cars have come a long way..

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    I recently drove a 2016 Camry SE for an entire day. It was cheap inside, especially the I/P, was refined by engine sound, but since it only puts out 170 HP out of 2.5 liters, while my Optima puts out 200 HP out of a 2.4, I would NEVER consider it as an option.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    I modified the intake on my car. It now has a full on K&N intake system, and I just had the fue system purged/cleaned out and the service mechanic commented on how quick it felt. Compared it to the recent Turbos. I was shocked. Maybe it just sounds fast. Yes I still want a genuinely fast car, but even though all my tickets have fallen off (b y using my pho nes HUD app and programming it to beep and flash the LED's from white to red display

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,857
    Took the Fusion on it's first road trip longer than 100 miles yesterday.
    4 of us drove up to the Nascar race in New Hampshire and back yesterday.
    My BIL and his 2 sons weigh over 700 lbs combined.
    They are not bodybuilders, but they do lift weights regularly.
    Add in the other stuff we brought along, coolers, folding chairs, etc, and the car did have to work going up some of the hills.
    Plenty of momentum on the way down, though!
    Averaged 30.6 mpg, so I'm pretty happy with that.
    End of the week is a longer trip, Indiana and back, about 1700 miles.
    After putting on just over 5K miles in 11 months, I'll adding 2K in a week.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    edited September 25

    My Optima is still running strong. 60k and 5.8 yrs old

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    edited September 25
    I dont see how Camry SE owners could be happy with engine output. I was scared to merge in to I-495

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • berriberri Posts: 7,727
    I'm thinking an Optima and Camry are different buyers. Maybe Camry v Sonata and Optima v Accord?
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,389
    From what I've read so far the 2018 Camry has over 200HP in the base configuration but is held back by a transmission that doesn't like to downshift, in the name of fuel economy. You'd think a 200HP engine in a car like that would be plenty.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,491
    Agreed, but the new Optima is getting more and more Camry like with the Optima EX compared to the Camry SE. The power output has been reduced on this 4th version of my car, and increased o n the Camry to where my Optima originally was. Hint to Hyundai- Kia Keep the power output on the 2.4 liter at 200HP. Turbos used to have 274 HP...they now have 245HP for "better drivability"???? What? Aren't Power outputs supposed to creep up or at least stay close to the same as new models come out?

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 26
    Kelley Blue Book gives a few early impressions of the 2018 Accord....And rear visibility looks like it might be ok? Anyway, blind spot monitoring is available.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 26
    2018 Accord will have vtec turbo standard. According to temple of vtec that makes the standard Accord engine a little better than the 1.5 in the Civic Si, which does not have vtec....

    "The 1.5T in the 2018 Accord has VTEC!
    Date: September 25, 2017 23:45
    Submitted by: JeffX
    Source: TOV News
    We're visiting New Hampshire as a guest of Honda to check out the all new 2018 Honda Accord. One of the first things we discovered tonight is that in addition to variable cam phasing (VTC), the Accord's 1.5L Turbocharged engine (which will serve as the base engine for the Accord) features VTEC on the exhaust side of the cylinder head. This differs from the L15BA and L15B7 found in the Honda Civic and CR-V range, which feature VTC but no lift control (VTEC). By adding VTEC to this engine, Honda is able to broaden the torque curve and also help improve boost response..."

    http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1333493
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 26
    KBB also likes the Fusion....

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,878
    edited September 26
    I'm sure there's a person from Edmonds.com at the 2018 Accord drive event that's going on right now. Who are you?? And please post what you can tell us so far! I know you have to avoid "driving impressions," but just cover some of the other stuff like KBB and vtec.net are doing....
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,328
    Thanks for accord info. I love it. Especially the seats and infotainment. Definetly the option if I stay with a big sedan. I wish the civic had those thrones. Only odd thing is they make sensing standard, but skimp on BLIS, which of course is the only one of the safety gizmos I actually want. Hopefully if I look at this, the model I want comes with it.

    Really need equipment details and pricing released!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

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