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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    edited September 22
    It is nice to see how some of the money that my family has spent on Accords over the years is going back into my neighboring state of Ohio. Here's some video of the production of the 2018 Accord in Kentucky....The video unfortunately has painfully bad music. Best watched with sound off imho.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    2017 Elantra and Sonata production in Alabama....

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    Accord looks nice but man, 18" low profile tires on the base level model is silly. Hopefully EX not moving to 19s, but I bet the sport will be riding on 20s

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,514
    I had 18" tires on my MS3 for 158k miles and never had an issue. I have them on my 2er and the first set of PSS lasted 32.8k with no problems. That said, 19" is about as big as I'm willing to go on a DD.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,386
    edited September 22
    stickguy said:

    should get something for the extra $20-25K price of admission.

    People just value different things differently.

    Case in point, the new TTRS, stickers around $75,000 depending on your options level.

    There are people in the camp that say it's a bargain, because it'll beat $100K cars around the track and does 3.6 0-60.

    There are people in the camp that say I'd rather have "XYZ" with more horsepower for less money (never mind if it weighs twice as much and can't turn any faster than your Sonata) :disappointed:
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,386
    stickguy said:

    Accord looks nice but man, 18" low profile tires on the base level model is silly. Hopefully EX not moving to 19s, but I bet the sport will be riding on 20s

    stickguy said:

    Accord looks nice but man, 18" low profile tires on the base level model is silly. Hopefully EX not moving to 19s, but I bet the sport will be riding on 20s

    They have gone nuts with wheel sizes. I just had Costco quote me 4 new Michelin Pilot 4S's (the new Super Sport; only better in every way). Costco has low tire prices.

    Promotions ($70 off and free installation). I had forgot how expensive fat 19" tires were. Even with the low pricing and promotions, I'm looking at just over a grand for 255/35R19's.

    Accord 19" won't be that much less. Even with a lease it might not be possible to avoid a tire purchase/or deduction.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,895
    edited September 22
    I could see the Tire company's kicking back to the Auto industry to go bigger ??

    Remember the days when 13 and 14 ' tires were in. If u told me in the 70's that standard vehicles would have 19 / 20 tire size's I would of laughed.

    My X-5 has 19's . With 10k as a DD in the NYC area I have had no problems , but then again NYC's 5 boroughs have made big progress fixing the war Torn roads. My Genesis has "LP" 19's. and mainly sits in my garage in Myrtle Beach for when the family goes down. . Did lose a Tire and Rim on my Genesis in NY a couple of years ago.

    @andres3 - you know the old saying.......... Gotta pay to play big !!!

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 4,895
    @stickguy I cant imagine the roads by u are that bad?? U moved out of Camden? :smile:

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,183
    edited September 22
    The Buick Encore has 18" tires which seems right for it. The Volt and my '13 Accord have 17s, which to me feels right for a compact/midsize car.
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,386
    suydam said:

    The Buick Encore has 18" tires which seems right formit. The Volt and my '13 Accord have 17s, which to me feels right for a compact/midsize car.

    To put it in perspective, my hot hatch '06 Audi A3 came with 17" wheels, and that includes the "sport package" version I chose. Summer 225/45R17. I hesitated upgrading to 18" wheels on it, and considered staying with 17's. It was a relative performance car, funny to me that Accord's and Camry's have to come with large wheels now.
    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    RB, you have performance cas. Accord LX is an entry level family sedan, where $ is still supposed to count! 225/50-17 seems perfect for a car like the accord. 235/45-18 for he sport. Anything bigger is probably counterproductive, especially in the mid level models.

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    And yes, the roads around here, especially into philly, really are that bad.

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    edited September 22
    Sorry. My mistake. The 2018 Accord LX gets 17" tires, specifically 225/50/R17. Sport gets 19" tires: 235/40/R19. Not sure what model we were looking at in the video.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    So I pegged it! Nice. Might get 18s on the the EX or touring. Something splitting the difference. Like 225/45. Or just the same 17s

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    I think my 2002 Accord LX had 15" tires. Here's what the Jetta SE gets, which seems like a good tire for this size of car.


    16" Sedona Black alloy wheels
    16" all-season tires 205/55R16H

    http://www.vw.com/models/jetta/trims/2017/2017-14t-se-trim/edit/tab/summary/
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    That is fine for me. Maybe go to 215 width for a smudge more contact patch

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,693
    The arms race on wheel sizes has really taken off. My '02 Intrigue had 16" which I thought was very sporty at the time. My '09 Lacrosse had 17" which seemed not useful on that car but looked nice. My '11 Regal had 18" which looked good. My '14 ATS had 17" which looked too small, my new one has 18" which look good but I think 19" might look better. A friend's new 6-cyl Camaro has 20".

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    edited September 22
    Redline gives a mixed review for the Jetta 1.4T

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,970
    edited September 22
    My 91 Mustang has 16 inch wheels, which were not common at that time.
    My wife MKC has 20's, but it rides pretty well.
    The 18's on my Fusion definitely ride better than the 19's on my prior Fusion.
    The truck has 20's with tall sidewalls on the tire. They are a lot taller than the tires on the MKC.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 9,386
    How about some 22's for your next Jeep?


    Toy '16 Audi TTS quattro AWD, Commuter '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6 Turbo FWD, Wife's '17 VW Golf All-Track SE 4-Motion AWD
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    C&D on the new Camry"

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-toyota-camry-se-25l-test-review

    "...this 2018 Camry SE managed to circle our 300-foot skidpad at an impressive 0.88 g wearing a set of Hankook Kinergy GT all-season tires...Even more impressive was the Camry SE’s 45-mpg showing on our 75-mph highway fuel-economy run, which is 1 mpg better than that of the Camry hybrid. The four-cylinder’s straight-line performance was less rousing. Zero to 60 mph required 7.9 seconds, just 0.1 second ahead of the old car. Meanwhile, the new Camry’s slow-to-downshift automatic transmission contributed to a 50-to-70-mph passing time of 6.0 seconds, 0.4 second worse than the previous-generation Camry SE and 1.2 seconds behind the Mazda 6....

    Cost cutting, however, is apparent on the center console and door panels, which feature harder plastics. Shutting this Camry SE’s doors resulted in a disappointingly hollow sound unbecoming of a vehicle with a starting price of $26,095....Although family-sedan shoppers who prize driving engagement will be better served by a Honda Accord or a Mazda 6, choosing a Camry no longer means forsaking satisfying driving dynamics."
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,930
    A few months ago I thought the Camry might steal the Accord's spot on C&D's ten best list, but it doesn't look like it:

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-toyota-camry-se-25l-test-review

    "this 2018 Camry SE managed to circle our 300-foot skidpad at an impressive 0.88 g ....Even more impressive was the Camry SE’s 45-mpg showing on our 75-mph highway fuel-economy run, which is 1 mpg better than that of the Camry hybrid.The four-cylinder’s straight-line performance was less rousing. Zero to 60 mph required 7.9 seconds, just 0.1 second ahead of the old car. Meanwhile, the new Camry’s slow-to-downshift automatic transmission contributed to a 50-to-70-mph passing time of 6.0 seconds, 0.4 second worse than the previous-generation Camry SE and 1.2 seconds behind the Mazda 6....

    Cost cutting, however, is apparent on the center console and door panels, which feature harder plastics. Shutting this Camry SE’s doors resulted in a disappointingly hollow sound unbecoming of a vehicle with a starting price of $26,095. Other demerits include Toyota’s ...lack of Apple CarPlay or Android Auto....Although family-sedan shoppers who prize driving engagement will be better served by a Honda Accord or a Mazda 6, choosing a Camry no longer means forsaking satisfying driving dynamics."
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,514
    But the new Camry is a "Wild One!"
    Haven't you seen the ads?

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,008
    well, 7.9 is going to be plenty for most buyers. Basically all the ones that were fine with 8.0 last year.

    The thing I did not like was the huge angled dash jut out on the passenger side. My wife hated it also.

    and .88 Gs in a Camry? Wow. And hard to argue with the MPG.

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,513
    benjaminh said:

    Sorry. My mistake. The 2018 Accord LX gets 17" tires, specifically 225/50/R17. Sport gets 19" tires: 235/40/R19. Not sure what model we were looking at in the video.

    A base model Honda Accord gets reasonably comparative tires that the new digi-dash Corvette had in 1987. It had 245-50-16" tires. So, smaller diameter but wider cross section..so a pretty good comparison.

    Cars have come a long way..

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,513
    I recently drove a 2016 Camry SE for an entire day. It was cheap inside, especially the I/P, was refined by engine sound, but since it only puts out 170 HP out of 2.5 liters, while my Optima puts out 200 HP out of a 2.4, I would NEVER consider it as an option.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,513
    I modified the intake on my car. It now has a full on K&N intake system, and I just had the fue system purged/cleaned out and the service mechanic commented on how quick it felt. Compared it to the recent Turbos. I was shocked. Maybe it just sounds fast. Yes I still want a genuinely fast car, but even though all my tickets have fallen off (b y using my pho nes HUD app and programming it to beep and flash the LED's from white to red display

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,970
    Took the Fusion on it's first road trip longer than 100 miles yesterday.
    4 of us drove up to the Nascar race in New Hampshire and back yesterday.
    My BIL and his 2 sons weigh over 700 lbs combined.
    They are not bodybuilders, but they do lift weights regularly.
    Add in the other stuff we brought along, coolers, folding chairs, etc, and the car did have to work going up some of the hills.
    Plenty of momentum on the way down, though!
    Averaged 30.6 mpg, so I'm pretty happy with that.
    End of the week is a longer trip, Indiana and back, about 1700 miles.
    After putting on just over 5K miles in 11 months, I'll adding 2K in a week.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,513
    edited September 25

    My Optima is still running strong. 60k and 5.8 yrs old

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,513
    edited September 25
    I dont see how Camry SE owners could be happy with engine output. I was scared to merge in to I-495

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

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