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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    No different than what Ford does with F150. When it's your flagship vehicle you pull out all the stops.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    edited October 2017
    From a Canadian perspective, a test drive of the slightly different Canadian 2018 Accord, with a few comparison points with the 2018 Camry. The reviewer spoke with some of the engineers, who said that the Audi A4 was one of their benchmarks.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,910
    Just went through the last 4 weeks of posts on this, the 2018 Accory board. ;) I have to wonder how Ford and Nissan are selling so many Fusions and Altimas, given how old their designs are. One reason may be looks. If I were in the market for a new mid-sized sedan, I wouldn't be able to get past the styling of the Accord and Camry to even test-drive them. Their front clips are in particular really ugly IMO. There's several very good and good-looking options in the mid-sized class, such as Mazda6, Sonata, and Malibu, that I'd check out first. But with a roomy, compact-sized 50-mpg Niro starting at $23k, that's really what I'd check out before any mid-sized sedan.

    As for the Altima, I think I may know why Nissan still sells quite a few of them. First, as rental of course. Then there's people who like Nissans, think the Altima is good-looking, and want a practical, roomy sedan with excellent fuel economy. And they can probably get one at a great price.

    I drove a 2016 Altima base model rental last week around Boston and Cape Cod. Car had 37k on it; I put nearly 700 miles on it. There were two round trips between Boston and Cape Cod, both trips with some heavy traffic, and a week of motoring around Cape Cod. The car averaged 40.0 mpg. I thought that was impressive, because I did a lot of in-town driving in Cape Cod plus the heavy traffic in Boston. The reason was the CVT, which kept revs between 1200-1600 most of the time. It helped that the highway speed limits were usually 55-60, and much of the driving was on flat terrain. Other than fuel economy, the car was competent but unexceptional--but then it was a base model. Seats were comfortable enough, and the interior still looked brand new after 37k miles. Ride was OK, but a little jittery over bumps. It wouldn't be my first choice as a sedan, but for the right price it would make a solid family car. Needs a redesign though.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,961
    Camry could part with some grille orthodontia to fix Accord's missing teeth B)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 58,459
    edited October 2017
    Oh, Accord dentures are very expensive. You could try implants from a Lexus. They have lots of extra teeth :p

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  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco new yorkPosts: 2,152
    @Michaell nice on seeing that old camory!
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco new yorkPosts: 2,152
    @akirby so trew every one has there one view when it comes to any car or when they post sum thing on the net yes have to be taken with an big grane of salt! and yes Toyota is the best out there when it comes to very little problems every now and than! just my two sence!
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 2,018
    I am looking forward for the '18 Accord to become available tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how they are priced and if there are any changes from the preliminary specs.

    2010 Pilot EXL-RES, 2013 Accord EX

  • john4545john4545 Posts: 47
    edited October 2017
    I cant wait to test drive one myself. Just not sold on the new 18 look yet . I like the 2017 accord sport looks better .
  • What are the chances of the 2018 Accord Sports ride and handling being better than a Mazda6. The handling on the 6 was pretty tight and very sporty from what I remember.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    john4545 said:

    What are the chances of the 2018 Accord Sports ride and handling being better than a Mazda6. The handling on the 6 was pretty tight and very sporty from what I remember.

    Mazdas are always a lot of fun to drive. I personally doubt a 2018 Accord Sport will be better than a Mazda6, but probably it will be about as good.

    And discounts on the 2018 Accord are already significant at some dealers. Look at this example—$2400 off msrp on a 2018 Accord EXL....

    http://www.donjacobshonda.com/vehicle-details/new-2018-honda-accord-ex-l-lexington-ky-id-20844125

    2018 Honda Accord EX-L
    Stock # 890113
    List Price $30,845
    Savings $2,458
    Internet Price $28,387
  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco new yorkPosts: 2,152
    @benjaminh wow just came out and discounts from the get go! wow have to look at one soon once the dealers around hear get sum in and have to still go and look at new camery to!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,300
    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 65,263
    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    edited October 2017
    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 65,263
    benjaminh said:

    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....

    It's Thursday, for goodness sakes. The salesman may be happy to get off the dealer lot. I have no problem test driving - I'm always thinking about my next car...

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,842
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    Maybe @stickguy can take a lesson from @breld and trade in his new Elantra Sport before the first payment is even made! :D

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,300
    Never. But I know my daughter will be happy to buy it from me next July!

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • berriberri Posts: 7,961
    Seems like the oem tires on a model often change, sometimes several times, in a year.
  • jpp5862jpp5862 DenverPosts: 1,093
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 65,263
    jpp5862 said:

    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
    Am curious about both the new Accord and the Elantra Sport. We'll see if we can set something up.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    edited October 2017
    Well, as I got the oil changed on my wife's 2013 Accord today, and the tired rotated and balanced, I took a brief look at a 2018 Accord LX, inside and out.

    In terms of the looks on the outside, I guess I'd give it a B+ overall. It's a little weird, and a little edgy from all angles, but that's probably better for sales than sticking with something that looks like past Accords. It definitely looks "all new," and goes right up to looking freaky without quite getting there imho. Even though it's only about half an inch wider, and about half an inch lower, the proportions are a little bit different—and in a good way. The front, as many have said, is blunt. If form is supposed to follow function in good design, maybe it tried to do that to some degree, with lots of air for the engine, and clear sight lines for the standard Sensing.

    This was an LX, and so I was prepared for the interior to be a letdown, but overall I'd say it was impressive for the c. $24k list price. It didn't seem cheap anywhere. Not necessarily expensive, but not cheap. My parents own a 2013 Accord LX, and I'd say it was a step up almost everywhere from that car. For instance, the seats were nicer and more comfortable, the steering wheel and dash seemed nicer, more functional, and felt better, and in terms of standard features it seemed better.

    Everyone has gone on and on to a silly degree about Honda putting the volume knob back, but actually that's just one of five high-quality silver-colored metal knobs on the dash. They do seem more functional an intuitive. Honda has gone from last place in knobs (my 2016 Accord doesn't have any knobs) to first place, and I think it works. The knobs have a quality feel. A few pages ago I was writing about that book about the 1996 Ford Taurus, and how they put extra quality in that car, including in the little features. This is another car that has that kind of attention to detail.

    As with the Camry, Fusion, etc. I think c. 40%+ of all 2018 Accords sold are going to be the base LX model. And in terms of that, I think Honda probably has a winner, although the styling still might flop, as it did with the 96 Taurus. But in terms of the quality and performance of the car, it's got one of the biggest bangs for the buck out there.

    It used to be that if you got the Accord LX, as with my parents' 2013, or my 2002 LX, that it was a nice car, but had obvious cost cutting. You have to start with the wheels and tires, where previous LXs have had H-rated 16-inch tires that are rather narrow. But the new LX gets V-rated 225/50R17 tires with alloy wheels, the same turbo engine as the EXL or even the 1.5 Touring, etc.

    Trunk space was very big, as mentioned, and back seat legroom was noticeably larger.

    I know this is a controversial point even to mention, but rear visibility behind the driver is a little better than I thought it would be (looks like you can kinda use that rear quarter window if you need to), but obviously it's not as good as past Accords.

    The salesperson talked up the power of the new turbo, but from tests it doesn't seem to be any faster than the engine of my 2016, and so I took that with the grain of salt. On the other hand, I think my 2016 is quite peppy, and so I'm sure it's good enough. And maybe in terms of "feel" it is better.

    It did seem clear that Honda spent a fortune on this car. I'm still not sure if it'll be a success or not. But my guess is yes....
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    Michaell said:

    benjaminh said:

    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....

    It's Thursday, for goodness sakes. The salesman may be happy to get off the dealer lot. I have no problem test driving - I'm always thinking about my next car...
    Well, as I got the oil changed on my wife's 2013 Accord today, and the tired rotated and balanced, I took a brief look at a 2018 Accord LX, inside and out.

    In terms of the looks on the outside, I guess I'd give it a B+ overall. It's a little weird, and a little edgy from all angles, but that's probably better for sales than sticking with something that looks like past Accords. It definitely looks "all new," and goes right up to looking freaky without quite getting there imho. Even though it's only about half an inch wider, and about half an inch lower, the proportions are a little bit different—and in a good way. The front, as many have said, is blunt. If form is supposed to follow function in good design, maybe it tried to do that to some degree, with lots of air for the engine, and clear sight lines for the standard Sensing.

    This was an LX, and so I was prepared for the interior to be a letdown, but overall I'd say it was impressive for the c. $24k list price. It didn't seem cheap anywhere. Not necessarily expensive, but not cheap. My parents own a 2013 Accord LX, and I'd say it was a step up almost everywhere from that car. For instance, the seats were nicer and more comfortable, the steering wheel and dash seemed nicer, more functional, and felt better, and in terms of standard features it seemed better.

    Everyone has gone on and on to a silly degree about Honda putting the volume knob back, but actually that's just one of five high-quality silver-colored metal knobs on the dash. They do seem more functional an intuitive. Honda has gone from last place in knobs (my 2016 Accord doesn't have any knobs) to first place, and I think it works. The knobs have a quality feel. A few pages ago I was writing about that book about the 1996 Ford Taurus, and how they put extra quality in that car, including in the little features. This is another car that has that kind of attention to detail.

    As with the Camry, Fusion, etc. I think c. 40%+ of all 2018 Accords sold are going to be the base LX model. And in terms of that, I think Honda probably has a winner, although the styling still might flop, as it did with the 96 Taurus. But in terms of the quality and performance of the car, it's got one of the biggest bangs for the buck out there.

    It used to be that if you got the Accord LX, as with my parents' 2013, or my 2002 LX, that it was a nice car, but had obvious cost cutting. You have to start with the wheels and tires, where previous LXs have had H-rated 16-inch tires that are rather narrow. But the new LX gets V-rated 225/50R17 tires with alloy wheels, the same turbo engine as the EXL or even the 1.5 Touring, etc.

    Trunk space was very big, as mentioned, and back seat legroom was noticeably larger.

    I know this is a controversial point even to mention, but rear visibility behind the driver is a little better than I thought it would be (looks like you can kinda use that rear quarter window if you need to), but obviously it's not as good as past Accords.

    The salesperson talked up the power of the new turbo, but from tests it doesn't seem to be any faster than the engine of my 2016, and so I took that with the grain of salt. On the other hand, I think my 2016 is quite peppy, and so I'm sure it's good enough. And maybe in terms of "feel" it is better.

    It did seem clear that Honda spent a fortune on this car. I'm still not sure if it'll be a success or not. But my guess is yes....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    At this point I think it would take a major screwup for Accord and Camry to falter much.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,300
    Michaell said:

    jpp5862 said:

    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
    Am curious about both the new Accord and the Elantra Sport. We'll see if we can set something up.
    Whatever you do, don't report that the accord is best thing ever, and only a dope would buy the Elantra!

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 26,300
    Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would like it, but still find it on the large side. But probably not have a meltdown that I missed out! As to the engine, power and 0-60 might be close, but I suspect it will be a lot perkier off the line and at lower revs thanks to the turbo.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,933
    stickguy said:

    Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would like it, but still find it on the large side. But probably not have a meltdown that I missed out! As to the engine, power and 0-60 might be close, but I suspect it will be a lot perkier off the line and at lower revs thanks to the turbo.

    I think you did great with your Elantra Sport. Congrats again.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,842
    benjaminh said:


    As with the Camry, Fusion, etc. I think c. 40%+ of all 2018 Accords sold are going to be the base LX model. And in terms of that, I think Honda probably has a winner, although the styling still might flop, as it did with the 96 Taurus.

    Based on the looks of the porky 2003-05 models, I think most Accord buyers don't care about styling.

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