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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 61,426
    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    edited October 19
    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 61,426
    benjaminh said:

    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....

    It's Thursday, for goodness sakes. The salesman may be happy to get off the dealer lot. I have no problem test driving - I'm always thinking about my next car...

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,554
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    Maybe @stickguy can take a lesson from @breld and trade in his new Elantra Sport before the first payment is even made! :D

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    Never. But I know my daughter will be happy to buy it from me next July!

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  • berriberri Posts: 7,862
    Seems like the oem tires on a model often change, sometimes several times, in a year.
  • jpp5862jpp5862 DenverPosts: 1,085
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 61,426
    jpp5862 said:

    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
    Am curious about both the new Accord and the Elantra Sport. We'll see if we can set something up.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    Michaell said:

    benjaminh said:

    I need to take my wife's car in for an oil change today, and so if they've got one on the showroom floor I might see one. But since I'm not really in the market at this point, I don't want to waste a salesperson's time by taking a test drive....

    In terms of brand of tire, it looks like for the 2018 Accord LX they get Hankook, EX/EXL get Goodyear, and Touring gets Michelin. I think Sport might get Michelin too, but I don't really know....

    It's Thursday, for goodness sakes. The salesman may be happy to get off the dealer lot. I have no problem test driving - I'm always thinking about my next car...
    Well, as I got the oil changed on my wife's 2013 Accord today, and the tired rotated and balanced, I took a brief look at a 2018 Accord LX, inside and out.

    In terms of the looks on the outside, I guess I'd give it a B+ overall. It's a little weird, and a little edgy from all angles, but that's probably better for sales than sticking with something that looks like past Accords. It definitely looks "all new," and goes right up to looking freaky without quite getting there imho. Even though it's only about half an inch wider, and about half an inch lower, the proportions are a little bit different—and in a good way. The front, as many have said, is blunt. If form is supposed to follow function in good design, maybe it tried to do that to some degree, with lots of air for the engine, and clear sight lines for the standard Sensing.

    This was an LX, and so I was prepared for the interior to be a letdown, but overall I'd say it was impressive for the c. $24k list price. It didn't seem cheap anywhere. Not necessarily expensive, but not cheap. My parents own a 2013 Accord LX, and I'd say it was a step up almost everywhere from that car. For instance, the seats were nicer and more comfortable, the steering wheel and dash seemed nicer, more functional, and felt better, and in terms of standard features it seemed better.

    Everyone has gone on and on to a silly degree about Honda putting the volume knob back, but actually that's just one of five high-quality silver-colored metal knobs on the dash. They do seem more functional an intuitive. Honda has gone from last place in knobs (my 2016 Accord doesn't have any knobs) to first place, and I think it works. The knobs have a quality feel. A few pages ago I was writing about that book about the 1996 Ford Taurus, and how they put extra quality in that car, including in the little features. This is another car that has that kind of attention to detail.

    As with the Camry, Fusion, etc. I think c. 40%+ of all 2018 Accords sold are going to be the base LX model. And in terms of that, I think Honda probably has a winner, although the styling still might flop, as it did with the 96 Taurus. But in terms of the quality and performance of the car, it's got one of the biggest bangs for the buck out there.

    It used to be that if you got the Accord LX, as with my parents' 2013, or my 2002 LX, that it was a nice car, but had obvious cost cutting. You have to start with the wheels and tires, where previous LXs have had H-rated 16-inch tires that are rather narrow. But the new LX gets V-rated 225/50R17 tires with alloy wheels, the same turbo engine as the EXL or even the 1.5 Touring, etc.

    Trunk space was very big, as mentioned, and back seat legroom was noticeably larger.

    I know this is a controversial point even to mention, but rear visibility behind the driver is a little better than I thought it would be (looks like you can kinda use that rear quarter window if you need to), but obviously it's not as good as past Accords.

    The salesperson talked up the power of the new turbo, but from tests it doesn't seem to be any faster than the engine of my 2016, and so I took that with the grain of salt. On the other hand, I think my 2016 is quite peppy, and so I'm sure it's good enough. And maybe in terms of "feel" it is better.

    It did seem clear that Honda spent a fortune on this car. I'm still not sure if it'll be a success or not. But my guess is yes....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,030
    At this point I think it would take a major screwup for Accord and Camry to falter much.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    Michaell said:

    jpp5862 said:

    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    so, anyone get down to check out an Accord yet? I know it won't be me for at least a few weeks!

    I'll see if I can get @breld and / or @jpp5862 to accompany me to the Honda dealer for a look and a test drive sometime soon.
    I'm in. Been a while since we've done a test drive.
    Am curious about both the new Accord and the Elantra Sport. We'll see if we can set something up.
    Whatever you do, don't report that the accord is best thing ever, and only a dope would buy the Elantra!

    2018 Hyundai Elantra Sport (mine), 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's) and 2015 Jetta Sport (daughter's)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would like it, but still find it on the large side. But probably not have a meltdown that I missed out! As to the engine, power and 0-60 might be close, but I suspect it will be a lot perkier off the line and at lower revs thanks to the turbo.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    stickguy said:

    Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would like it, but still find it on the large side. But probably not have a meltdown that I missed out! As to the engine, power and 0-60 might be close, but I suspect it will be a lot perkier off the line and at lower revs thanks to the turbo.

    I think you did great with your Elantra Sport. Congrats again.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,554
    benjaminh said:


    As with the Camry, Fusion, etc. I think c. 40%+ of all 2018 Accords sold are going to be the base LX model. And in terms of that, I think Honda probably has a winner, although the styling still might flop, as it did with the 96 Taurus.

    Based on the looks of the porky 2003-05 models, I think most Accord buyers don't care about styling.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    edited October 19
    Something my local Honda dealer had on all their new 2018 Accords which I hate is the "protection package." They charged c. $1300 beyond msrp for fabric protection, rust proofing, mud mats, etc. I don't like any of it, and in any case it's worth at most about $300. If I buy a new Accord at some point, I might buy from another dealer farther away to avoid this. Although for my 2016 Accord they just threw all that stuff in for "free"—meeting the price of the dealer father away that doesn't do that stuff. But it is annoying imho.
  • berriberri Posts: 7,862
    Just goes to show you that $1300 dealer pac probably had only around $100 of cost in it!
  • Marcothecarguy1986Marcothecarguy1986 new yorkPosts: 1,654
    @benjaminh grate rite up on the new Acord have to see one for my selfe don't no and camery to!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,909
    With all the talk about the 2018 Accord and Camry, another newcomer is being overlooked: Kia Stinger. The MT issue that reviewed the Accord and Camry also reviewed the Stinger GT. But the Stinger will also be available with a 2.0T making 255 horsepower, listing at just under $34k with the Active Safety package. Guess what else lists for just under $34k? The Camry XLE 2.5L reviewed by MT. For the money, I'd take the Stinger. It's actually smaller (shorter) than the Camcords, has RWD, and it has the utility of a hatchback. The new Accord looks like it should have a hatch--but doesn't. Not to mention the Stinger looks a LOT nicer outside and inside than the new Camcords.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,389
    backy said:

    With all the talk about the 2018 Accord and Camry, another newcomer is being overlooked: Kia Stinger. The MT issue that reviewed the Accord and Camry also reviewed the Stinger GT. But the Stinger will also be available with a 2.0T making 255 horsepower, listing at just under $34k with the Active Safety package. Guess what else lists for just under $34k? The Camry XLE 2.5L reviewed by MT. For the money, I'd take the Stinger. It's actually smaller (shorter) than the Camcords, has RWD, and it has the utility of a hatchback. The new Accord looks like it should have a hatch--but doesn't. Not to mention the Stinger looks a LOT nicer outside and inside than the new Camcords.

    The Stinger definitely looks intriguing; for my purposes RWD is non-negotiable in anything larger than a Mini.

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,108
    I have to say I never heard of it. Is it a midsize sedan?
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 61,426
    suydam said:

    I have to say I never heard of it. Is it a midsize sedan?

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,108
    So doesn’t exactly sound like a competitor to Camry and Acccord.
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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 61,426
    suydam said:

    So doesn’t exactly sound like a competitor to Camry and Acccord.

    Not really. RWD and a hatchback kinda go against the midsize sedan grain.

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,554
    Yeah, very much a niche product. But the enthusiast fanboys will be all over it, even if almost none of them actually buy one.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    I would be interested in the genesis version in a few years when it is time to upgrade.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 2,906
    edited October 20
    My wife is only 4 month away from owning her car free and clear. Ahhh, the beauty of not having a car payment.....Plus, I do think her 2013 Accord looks better than the 2018. Maybe we'll keep it till it's 8-10 years old.
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 1,998
    benjaminh said:

    My wife is only 4 month away from owning her car free and clear. Ahhh, the beauty of not having a car payment.....Plus, I do think her 2013 Accord looks better than the 2018. Maybe we'll keep it till it's 8-10 years old.

    I bought my Accord Sept '13 and it will be paid for in less than a year. Hard to believe I've had it that long. It has been a pleasure to own. I was looking at pictures of the interior of the '18 EX on some dealer sites. I don't think I like the cloth that is used. Looks too much like what is used in the Civic. Since I haven't seen it in person I will keep an open mind.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 25,708
    benjaminh said:

    My wife is only 4 month away from owning her car free and clear. Ahhh, the beauty of not having a car payment.....Plus, I do think her 2013 Accord looks better than the 2018. Maybe we'll keep it till it's 8-10 years old.

    it is. RDX was paid off a month ago, and we got the title already. Nice feeling not having that payment this month. And my new car will only be about $10 month more than my Sonata, so that will pretty much just be a wash. I really wanted to cut back on car payments, the last few years, with getting the new car for the princess and having 3, has been brutal!

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