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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    I think they’ll cut Fusion production before they start fleet dumping.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    edited May 2018
    The most luxurious car I ever owned was a 1988 Oldsmobile 98, which we bought when it was ten years old. It was pretty much a one-owner car (the original owner had passed it on to his daughter, who was in med school) and it was in very good condition. Outside it looked a lot like this one below, while inside it looked like the image below too—except in blue. Yes, it was the Cadillac of Oldsmobiles, and really close to that in terms of luxury. The fabrics for those couch-like seats were actually as soft and comfortable as they looked. I'm ashamed to say it, but I actually liked touching that upholstery. For the 1985 model year, the Olds 98 was massively downsized on the outside, and lost c.900 lbs of weight, but interior room was similar to the barge-like 1984 model. My 1988 Olds 98 was still a big car, especially compared to a 1988 Accord. But now that my wife and I are considering maybe someday getting a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid, which seems kinda big, I realized with a shock that in fact it's about the same size as a 1988 Olds 98....




    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    edited May 2018
    Here are some of the specs for the 1988 Olds 98: wheelbase 110", length 196", width 72", rear legroom 40.8, trunk 16.2, 0-60 c.10 seconds, combined mpg c.20.

    Here are some of the specs for the 2018 Accord Hybrid: wheelbase 111.4, length 192.2, width 73.3, rear legroom 40.4, trunk 16.7, 0-60 c.7.2, mpg c. 47.

    And, finally, here are some specs for the 1988 Accord: wb 102, length 175, width 67.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,490
    benjaminh said:

    The most luxurious car I ever owned was a 1988 Oldsmobile 98, which we bought when it was ten years old. It was pretty much a one-owner car (the original owner had passed it on to his daughter, who was in med school) and it was in very good condition. Outside it looked a lot like this one below, while inside it looked like the image below too—except in blue. Yes, it was the Cadillac of Oldsmobiles, and really close to that in terms of luxury. The fabrics for those couch-like seats were actually as soft and comfortable as they looked. I'm ashamed to say it, but I actually liked touching that upholstery. For the 1985 model year, the Olds 98 was massively downsized on the outside, and lost c.900 lbs of weight, but interior room was similar to the barge-like 1984 model. My 1988 Olds 98 was still a big car, especially compared to a 1988 Accord. But now that my wife and I are considering maybe someday getting a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid, which seems kinda big, I realized with a shock that in fact it's about the same size as a 1988 Olds 98....




    Wow. Looks like a realtor's den.
  • berriberri Posts: 9,963
    Bordello red - I was thinking something else B)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,625
    checked out a new Jetta today. Huge inside. and at 185" long, IMO solidly in the mid size sedan category too.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    berri said:

    Bordello red - I was thinking something else B)

    lol! My actual Olds 98 was blue inside, thank goodness!
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    stickguy said:

    checked out a new Jetta today. Huge inside. and at 185" long, IMO solidly in the mid size sedan category too.

    Have you considered the Golf Sportwagen or the Passat?
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,638
    The Accord has been classified as large for several years now.
    Taking a tip to Ohio at the end of next week and will be taking the Fusion.
    Now that the gas switched back to the summer blend, mileage is back up to around 29 mpg.
    That's about 10 percent higher than I get in the winter.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownPosts: 1,050
    We just got back from a Texas to Great Lakes road trip in the Accord, that covered 3,300 miles. I got 36.8 mpg for the entire trip, which was far from all highway miles. My high mpg tank was 39.3 mpg in Minnesota. With the Accord now 3.5 years old, I just turned 27K on the odometer. It did everything we needed on the trip, even though it is an "outdated" sedan. For the 2-3 times a year I need a utility vehicle, renting one makes ultimate sense. I am pretty sure I'll be keeping the Accord a long tine.
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2017 Honda Civic EX-T
  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    thebean said:

    We just got back from a Texas to Great Lakes road trip in the Accord, that covered 3,300 miles. I got 36.8 mpg for the entire trip, which was far from all highway miles. My high mpg tank was 39.3 mpg in Minnesota. With the Accord now 3.5 years old, I just turned 27K on the odometer. It did everything we needed on the trip, even though it is an "outdated" sedan. For the 2-3 times a year I need a utility vehicle, renting one makes ultimate sense. I am pretty sure I'll be keeping the Accord a long tine.

    That's a nice run you did in your Accord . You had some great gas mileage returns . How much did it cost you in gas expense round trip on your 3300 miles excursion?

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • thebeanthebean Parts UnknownPosts: 1,050
    @brian125, the trip cost $234 for gas.  The most I paid was $2.95/gal in Wisconsin.  Most of the rest was in the $2.75-2.85 range,
    2015 Honda Accord EX, 2017 Honda Civic EX-T
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323

    The Accord has been classified as large for several years now....

    Well, the EPA defines a "large car" as having a combined 120 cubic feet of passenger and cargo space. The 2017 Accord had 119 without the sunroof—and so missed it by just a little. The 2018 Accord has 122 without the sunroof, and so for the first time has made it past EPA's "large car" line.

    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    benjaminh said:

    The Accord has been classified as large for several years now....

    Well, the EPA defines a "large car" as having a combined 120 cubic feet of passenger and cargo space. The 2017 Accord had 119 without the sunroof—and so missed it by just a little. The 2018 Accord has 122 without the sunroof, and so for the first time has made it past EPA's "large car" line.


    Your old 1988 Olds 98 was a sweet ride . The velour red seats gave me a flashback. My brother had one with blue seats he bought it new back in the day. I remember that Olds it did ride nice on the hwy. The car had a annoying squeak in the dash board that drove my brother nuts. He eventually took off the whole front dash to fix it . Don't laugh my brother sold it to his pastor of his church for practically a blessing after 10 years and the Olds lasted many years for him. RIP OLDS 98

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    Camry still first in midsize/full-size sales for May....

    Camry: 29,965
    Accord: 28,212
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,625
    I was at the auto mall today and wandered the Toyota lot. Many camrys. Some were not too bad looking. I suppose worth a closer look if I decided to move back into a mid size sedan at some point. Not particularly cheap though if you want some options. Easy to get an SE above 30K

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    stickguy said:

    I was at the auto mall today and wandered the Toyota lot. Many camrys. Some were not too bad looking. I suppose worth a closer look if I decided to move back into a mid size sedan at some point. Not particularly cheap though if you want some options. Easy to get an SE above 30K

    The interior of the LE Camry that I sat in seemed sub-par. Plus the Camry has no AndroidAuto/CarPlay. No thanks right there on the Camry for me, even though I was kinda interested to consider a famous car built right in my home state. I think the Camry maybe looks better from some angles than the Accord, but in most ways I think the Accord is a little better as a car, inside and out—as well it should be, since the Accord costs a bit more than the Camry.
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • berriberri Posts: 9,963
    If you're tall you will probably have to default to the Accord given the shrinking of the driver's seat area dimensions on the new Camry. Personally, not a fan of having to recline the seat back to keep my head from touching the ceiling.
  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    Unfortunately Both Camry and Accord are not big guy friendly. They seem to be shrinking like sneaker and shoe sizes.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,875
    brian125 said:

    Unfortunately Both Camry and Accord are not big guy friendly. They seem to be shrinking like sneaker and shoe sizes.

    I agree, the Accord did not like my 6'3" tall frame. And they call the TT a "chick" car.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    Agree too. I bought a 2013 exl V-6 Accord , had it 10 months, the 4 hr drives up to Boston to see my daughter were killing my legs and hips. Gave Accord to my daughter, bought a Genesis which has plenty of room .

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • berriberri Posts: 9,963
    Sorry to hear that. I haven't been in the new Accord and it used to have a reputation for being roomy up front. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though as the Highlander has noticeably better driving room dimensions than the new Pilot.
  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    andres3 said:

    brian125 said:

    Unfortunately Both Camry and Accord are not big guy friendly. They seem to be shrinking like sneaker and shoe sizes.

    I agree, the Accord did not like my 6'3" tall frame. And they call the TT a "chick" car.
    andres3 said:

    brian125 said:

    Unfortunately Both Camry and Accord are not big guy friendly. They seem to be shrinking like sneaker and shoe sizes.

    I agree, the Accord did not like my 6'3" tall frame. And they call the TT a "chick" car.

    The only difference with the chick car ....is your heads sticking out the roof :worried:

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    you are sitting in the back seat thou for room??

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • brian125brian125 New York Posts: 5,212
    Andres3

    My sons friend has a TT they handle well, I was quiet surprise also the room in them. Has yours been reliable with no issue's ?

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2012 MB ML350

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,625
    I have not driven a new accord or camry. Just sat in them in a showroom. So no real impression of room.

    I will say though, I have driven the RDX a lot lately, and the higher seating position is quite comfy. I drove that solo straight through from NC to NJ a couple weeks ago (9 hours) and it is amazingly comfortable for a long haul. Back, legs, all felt fine at the end of the trip.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    Midsize/fullsize sales for last month....

    Camry 29,965

    Accord 28,212

    Altima 23,030

    Fusion 15,253

    Optima 10,367

    Sonata 9,616

    Passat 4,757

    6 4,437

    Legacy 3,461



    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,323
    Compact/midsize sales....

    Civic 34,349

    Corolla 29,578

    Sentra 18,103

    Focus 16,144

    Elantra 14,044

    Forte 11,261

    Impreza 7,843

    Jetta 6,821

    3 5,983
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,638
    Just back from my Ohio trip. Fusion did great. It drives very well and averaged 34 mpg for the trip.
    Had to run the a/c just about the whole time. Kept the cruise on 72/73 as much as possible.
    Best tank was 533 miles. 34 left until empty, and there is a little more left on top of that.
    Driver's seat is definitely more comfortable than passenger seat due to adjustable lumbar and it has more adjustments than 4 way power.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,875
    edited June 2018
    brian125 said:

    Andres3

    My sons friend has a TT they handle well, I was quiet surprise also the room in them. Has yours been reliable with no issue's ?

    They are roomy for tall people. No moon-roofs on the TTS's so you get a nice high roof line as compared to the seat bottom (which of course, sits low). Backseat? What back seat? Oh yeah, my front seat travel allows me to move my seat all the way back to the rear seat bottoms, so no one is sitting there. Still, it allows for people taller than me to be comfortable in the driver's seat, which is the seat you want to be in.

    Cargo room is pretty good, being a hatch and the rear seats folding down too, if needed.

    Mine has been reliable, but it has had an issue. A major issue, but only one. A while back I noticed a very VERY slow leaking fluid (were talking a couple drops per day maybe) from the underside and rear half of the car. After some tinkering and toiling with the Haldex, they finally decided to replace the whole rear differential as it is a "sealed" system. That part took a month from Germany to arrive. The work was completed in a day, but they needed the part.

    I told them that a month is too long for a new car to be sitting waiting for a part, and they agreed. Offered me a month's payment or free maintenance for the 15, 25, 35, and 45K intervals. I took the free maintenance (the math checked out, but just barely as I use a good Indy shop with fair prices).

    Only reason the maintenance was worth it is the 25K service, which includes a DSG transmission oil service. Speaking of which, I'm at 24,500 or so, so that'll be coming up in the next week or two.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '15 Audi A4 quattro 2.0T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
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