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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,929
    benjaminh said:

    Midsize/fullsize sales for last month....

    Camry 29,965

    Accord 28,212

    Altima 23,030

    Fusion 15,253

    Optima 10,367

    Sonata 9,616

    Passat 4,757

    6 4,437

    Legacy 3,461



    Interesting that Optima has passed up the Sonata. Sonata always seemed to sell more units than the Kia in the past. I like both cars, favoring the exterior of the Sonata but the interior of the Optima. I'd take either one over the Camcord if for nothing else than looks. But I'd take a Mazda6 6MT in Soul Red over the Sonatima. :smile:

    And for the compacts, interesting that Elantra+Forte comes in 3rd behind only the Civic and Corolla. I can't stand the looks of the Civic, although it seems to be a very nice car otherwise, and I'd take an Elantra or Forte any day over the Corolla. Oh wait... I did take a Forte (Forte5) over the Corolla! :smile:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,251
    Pretty sure Hyundai cut their fleet(rental) sales. A lot of rebalancing going on.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,251
    I've been seeing a lot of Altima's around. They have always been popular in this area.
    Although it's being replaced, the 2018 looks pretty good. They fixed those bulgy front fenders.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,678
    andres3 said:

    brian125 said:

    Andres3

    My sons friend has a TT they handle well, I was quiet surprise also the room in them. Has yours been reliable with no issue's ?

    They are roomy for tall people. No moon-roofs on the TTS's so you get a nice high roof line as compared to the seat bottom (which of course, sits low). Backseat? What back seat? Oh yeah, my front seat travel allows me to move my seat all the way back to the rear seat bottoms, so no one is sitting there. Still, it allows for people taller than me to be comfortable in the driver's seat, which is the seat you want to be in.

    Cargo room is pretty good, being a hatch and the rear seats folding down too, if needed.

    Mine has been reliable, but it has had an issue. A major issue, but only one. A while back I noticed a very VERY slow leaking fluid (were talking a couple drops per day maybe) from the underside and rear half of the car. After some tinkering and toiling with the Haldex, they finally decided to replace the whole rear differential as it is a "sealed" system. That part took a month from Germany to arrive. The work was completed in a day, but they needed the part.

    I told them that a month is too long for a new car to be sitting waiting for a part, and they agreed. Offered me a month's payment or free maintenance for the 15, 25, 35, and 45K intervals. I took the free maintenance (the math checked out, but just barely as I use a good Indy shop with fair prices).

    Only reason the maintenance was worth it is the 25K service, which includes a DSG transmission oil service. Speaking of which, I'm at 24,500 or so, so that'll be coming up in the next week or two.
    I lied, the 25K service is basically an oil change. The 35K service is the one where I'll be getting my monies worth from the maintenance plan. That makes sense, I knew the DSG oil lasted at least 30K.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '17 VW Golf Alltrack SE 4-Motion 1.8T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 4,292
    I thought that with all the updates over the years that the Passat was still fairly competitive. But here's what Motor Trend says in its new review....

    "Our R-Line trim tester hit 60 mph in 8.4 seconds....For a little perspective, the Accord, equipped with its base 1.5-liter turbo-four engine, hit 60 mph in 7.6 seconds.

    On the highway, plenty of outside noise seeps into the cabin, and handling at higher speeds only seems to get sloppier. The Passat handled fine during normal highway driving, but I almost never took a long, sweeping highway curve fast—it was a little scary (even in the GT). The more affordable, subcompact Honda Fit Sport hatchback and full-size Toyota Avalon Touring sedan I reviewed earlier this year both provided more confidence during high-speed maneuvers.

    The dated VW platform also demonstrates its age gap during stop-and-go driving. And when the engine hits a certain low rpm, it emits a vibration throughout the entire car along with an annoying droning sound....

    The Passat's braking feel should be better and could be improved by making it more linear. Initial bite is weak, but once you get about halfway through the pedal, it quickly becomes strong. This can cause a lot of unintentional and unsettling quick stops during daily driving....

    For all of the Passat's mediocrities, there are some laudable features. The interior is spacious and comfortable...."

    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/volkswagen/passat/2018/2018-volkswagen-passat-first-test-review/
    2018 Acura TLX 2.4 Tech 4WS (mine), 2018 Honda CR-V EX AWD (wife's)
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 7,906
    edited July 2018
    My boss has a fairly new Passat.  Fully loaded V6.  He absolutely is ready to dump it.  AC cuts out on highway (dealer can’t fix), and many electronic glitches.  I’ve witnessed the backup cam taking 20 seconds to display. It also consumes oil like crazy, about quart every 750-1000 Miles he claims. Dealer can’t fix that either.  

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 31,446
    Both our jettas had the AC on highway issue

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 5,202
    tjc78 said:

    My boss has a fairly new Passat.  Fully loaded V6.  He absolutely is ready to dump it.  AC cuts out on highway (dealer can’t fix), and many electronic glitches.  I’ve witnessed the backup cam taking 20 seconds to display. It also consumes oil like crazy, about quart every 750-1000 Miles he claims. Dealer can’t fix that either.  


    I'm going to echo what I heard . A golf buddy leased a 18 VW Atlas 50k . He had several problems with command center electronics'.


    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 100,110
    brian125 said:

    tjc78 said:

    My boss has a fairly new Passat.  Fully loaded V6.  He absolutely is ready to dump it.  AC cuts out on highway (dealer can’t fix), and many electronic glitches.  I’ve witnessed the backup cam taking 20 seconds to display. It also consumes oil like crazy, about quart every 750-1000 Miles he claims. Dealer can’t fix that either.  


    I'm going to echo what I heard . A golf buddy leased a 18 VW Atlas 50k . He had several problems with command center electronics'.
    Every now and again, I'll have to "reboot" the infotainment system in my 2016 Jetta to get CarPlay to work. Annoying, but nothing that is causing me to dump the car, or the brand.

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 5,202
    Family friend has leased 4 Jetta's over the years without problems. I actually like VW Atlas. It feels like its made well from riding in one.

    2016 BMW X-5 35i, 2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2012 MB ML350

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,678
    tjc78 said:

    My boss has a fairly new Passat.  Fully loaded V6.  He absolutely is ready to dump it.  AC cuts out on highway (dealer can’t fix), and many electronic glitches.  I’ve witnessed the backup cam taking 20 seconds to display. It also consumes oil like crazy, about quart every 750-1000 Miles he claims. Dealer can’t fix that either.  

    Sounds like a lemon. A bright yellow one.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '17 VW Golf Alltrack SE 4-Motion 1.8T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 2,431
    stickguy said:

    Both our jettas had the AC on highway issue

    What is the issue with the ac? Does it turn off under load or after a period of time?
    Does it come back on soon after?

    2010 Pilot EXL-RES, 2013 Accord EX, 2006 Acura TL/Nav

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,251
    My Fusion got just under 30 mpg when I filled it up.
    Took me 7 weeks to drive it 444 miles.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 7,906
    stickguy said:

    Both our jettas had the AC on highway issue

    What did they do to fix it? They said all the pressures were normal and his is blowing 40 degrees at idle. Gets warm at highway speeds.... makes no sense usually around town or idling in traffic is the hardest for AC with less air moving across the condenser.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2017 Hyundai Elantra

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 31,446
    I think a software fix. was fine around town and at lower speeds, but over IIRC 75ish, it got very weak. Reminded me of the old days when a car was pulling a hill and the AC cut out while the engine was working hard. Both were fixed, some sort of TSB I think. though the Sport was doing it again when we gave it back!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,251
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 31,446
    rough, but not sure would consider it over the top. More like tough love.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • berriberri Posts: 9,602
    Detroit only has so much money and trucks and crossovers is where the profit is made. Kind of expected that investment in sedans keeps getting reduced.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 9,604
    No bias in that Malibu review. Yeah, riiiiight. 

    Meanwhile, the usually anti-GM The Truth About Cars was at the same event, drove the same car, and quite liked it:

     https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/08/2019-chevrolet-malibu-rs-first-drive-curiously-viable-transportation/

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,967
    Actually seems like a very nice vehicle. Does it lease well?
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 12,925
    Construction has begun on the new deck.  Here’s the before picture:


    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 13,251
    #NYC,
    You're teasing us.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2017 Ford F-150 Limited
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 12,925
    #NYC, You're teasing us.
    Shoot.  I didn’t mean to post in mid sized sedans.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 22,967
    ab348 said:

    No bias in that Malibu review. Yeah, riiiiight. 

    Meanwhile, the usually anti-GM The Truth About Cars was at the same event, drove the same car, and quite liked it:

     https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/08/2019-chevrolet-malibu-rs-first-drive-curiously-viable-transportation/

    Words I never thought I'd see in a GM review on TTAC:
    " I’ve now added the Malibu to the top of that list.
    "This is, by far, the best CVT I’ve ever driven. Most transmissions of this nature make the driver feel as if there is something wrong with the car — the engine hangs at a higher RPM level, causing noise, or the needle might move up and down the tachometer in steady-state driving on the freeway. Disconcerting noises plague most CVTs. Not this one. Had I not read the literature on this car or attended a morning briefing before hopping behind the wheel, I don’t know if I’d have noticed the lack of traditional gears.
    "And yet, I can’t stop thinking about how surprisingly well this Chevy drives.
    " The continuously variable transmissions’ ratios feel perfectly matched to the power available, and the driving experience is marvelous."

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 9,604
    You could scarcely find two more diametrically opposed reviews. I’m sure the Yahoo one will make some GM execs question why they pay to fly, wine and dine these writers to such events. Or at least ones from Yahoo! 

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,678
    For me a CVT is a big turn-off. Saying it's a "great" CVT is sort of like saying something similar to "insert your least favorite food here" was well prepared and of high-quality.
    '16 Audi TTS quattro 2.0T, '17 VW Golf Alltrack SE 4-Motion 1.8T, '16 Kia Optima LX 1.6T
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 11,900
    I wouldn't rule a CVT out altogether, but a major reason I won't consider a CVT at present is because no car maker has put a CVT in a car that I would seriously consider owning.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 31,446
    I’ve driven some CVTs that seem fine, considering it’s still an AT. the accord and legacies did a good job. Been a while since I drove a Nissan though.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2013 Acura RDX AWD (wife's)

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 3,967
    Could not tell the difference in the ‘13 Accord’s CVT, it was flawless. Really improved FE too. The Nissan Altima, however, had a noisy drone to it. So it just depends.
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • fushigifushigi Chicago suburbsPosts: 1,459
    My QX60's CVT is a little rubber-bandish but in daily driving I rarely notice it enough to give pause. Power delivery is smooth, which is what you actually want most of the time, and average driving hovers in the 1200-2200 RPM range when cruising around town and using modest/average acceleration.

    If I'm after a little more serious performance I rotate the knob to Sport and it's a totally different beast; running RPMs to maximize torque before even considering changing ratios.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
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