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3,572computerin the 2009 CX-9.441,092In order for the miles/gallons method to be accurate, you have to fill up at the same station and, even better, the same pump between fill-ups.

I have a ScanGaugeII installed and calibrated (with 4.4% error adjustment). So far, it has been very accurate within 0.2 gallons at fill-up (or ~0.2mpg)

370I know it is heresy, but comparing it to the Sienna minivan it replaces, the engine needs its revs to move.

2,992I still don't see what difference filling up with 2.5 or 5 or 10 gallons in the tank has to do with calculating your mileage though.It dilutes the error rate. Let's say for example the pump you're using sometimes adds an extra 1/10 of a gallon of gas more or less. Adding that 1/10 of a gallon to a 2.5 gal fillup will create a 4% error (.1 / 2.5 x 100), while that 1/10 gallon pump error will only account for a 1% error on a 10 gal fillup (.1 / 10.0 x 100). Let's say your pump error is 1/2 gal because it's flowing faster or slower, more is released on the click, you're holding the pump slightly differently, etc. That 1/2 gal difference will create a 20% error on a 2.5 gal fillup vs only a 5% error on a 10 gal fillup.

It's basic statistics. The larger the sample size (i.e. the quantity of the fillup) increases accuracy (eg MPG for that fillup).

That's also why scan gauge really isn't accurate for snapshot MPG ratings, since MPG is Miles Per Gallon and if the car only moved a few feet and scan gauge tried to calculate a Miles Per Gallon number based on a few feet of driving, it wouldn't be very accurate in comparison with calulating a MPG over a hundred mile range. So if Scan Gauge calculates that it took 0.023 gal to travel 6ft that would equal 20.24MPG (0.023 x 5280 / 6), but if Scan Gauge was 1/100 of a gallon off and the actual amount used was 0.033 instead of 0.023, then the MPG would actually be 29.04MPG, so by being 1/100th of a gallon off, the MPG inaccuracy was 43% off.

1,092My CX9 GT-AWD played an important role in this. Here is the prelim result.

On a stretch of 2-mile local road w/o light/stop sign.

Each data point was obtained by averaging four data points (back and forth twice to counter slop and wind effect). Vehicle was maintained at target speed with cruise control.

35 40 45 50

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40 27.3 26.4 25.4 24.7

35 26.7 26.4 24.8 24.7

30 26.4 24.8 24.5 24.7

25 25.6 24.4 23.7 23.5

20 24.3 22.8 22.8 21.4

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^

PSI (all four tires) - warm

As you can see the CX9 is well-capable of doing 27mpg provided that

- run tires at 40 psi (MAX=51psi), it is a bit bumpy...

- maintain speed at 35-40 whenever possible on local roads.

My daughter and I spent the entire afternoon for that data.

BTW, the TPMS lights came on at 20psi (not 25psi or above).

It went away when I pumped them up to 35psi (my typical) and CX9 reached

15mph from start.

Also, a PSI drop of 40/35 down to 20 costs you ~10% drop in MPG.

The MPG was based on my ScanGaugeII, which was +7% compensated.

I have calibrated it for almost 1-year at the pump. It has been very accurate

now (+/- 0.05 gallon error out of 17-18 gallons)

10,059It's basic statistics.Yes, but basic statistics depends critically on using correct data. The departments of weights and measures in the various states regulate the accuracy of gas pumps to be about 6 cubic inches per 5 gallons. Since there are 231 cubic inches to the gallon, that works out to a relative error of just 0.5% per gallon pumped, not 20%

If one is rounding off their numbers to the nearest 10

^{th}of a gallon then one is just being lazy. The price you actually paid for the gas and the posted price per gallon are sufficient to get an appropriately accurate measure of the volume of gasoline that you pumped.And, speaking of statistics, the "Law of Large Numbers" tells us that whatever errors you incur at each fill up will tend to the correct average over the course of time.

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10,059tidester, hostSUVs and Smart Shopper

2,992It would be interesting (but very timeconsuming) to see measure the accuracy difference by only driving 0.2, 2, and 20 mile lengths.

40 27.3 26.4 25.4 24.7

35 26.7 26.4 24.8 24.7

30 26.4 24.8 24.5 24.7

25 25.6 24.4 23.7 23.5

20 24.3 22.8 22.8 21.4

2,992Correct, but that's only the "fuel actually pumped" vs "what's shown on the gas pump gauge accuracy"

What I'm talking about is the accuracy of person's ability to fill up the tank to the same level every time when they fill up their tank and then calculate their MPG. Even if the pump is 100% accurate, the point at which it clicks and shuts off varies a lot, depending on the speed of the fuel flowing into the tank, position of the nozzle, etc.

Your original question was why it made a difference if you calculated MPG on a 2 gallong vs 20 gallon fillup and that's what I was trying to explain. It's the inaccuracy of the fillup (not the pump) that creates the error, and that error (which relates to the Law Of Large Numbers) will create a larger MPG inaccuracy the less you pump.

Another way to think about it is to imagine if you drove one mile, filled up the tank and calculated MPG. The drive 100 miles, fill up the tank and calculate MPG. Which do you think will provide a more accurate result? Yes, it's an extreme example, but it shows that when trying to increase the accuracy of an MPG calculation it's better to drive more miles.

1,092The four numbers at the first row represents the MPG collected from various speed (35, 40, 45, 50 mph). Each data point is an average of four trials (back and forth twice). The ScanGaugeII computes MPG every 1 second or so. I reset the trip computer at the start and observe the average MPG at the 2-mile end. There are other factors that cause variations more than the ScanGaugeII such as the wind resistance. (on the day of our test, it was pretty windy) I also employed the cruise control to avoid human foot pressure variation on gas pedal.

10,059Your original question was why it made a difference...Actually, that was Steve's question, not mine.

What I'm talking about is the accuracy of person's ability to fill up the tank to the same level every time ...The information for doing it correctly is available based on what you pay and the price per gallon for your current fill up AND your previous one. Nevertheless, you have a point because most of us are not going to take the extra bookkeeping steps.

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52,572It's the inaccuracy of the fillupWell, ok, but I live in a perfect world and Tides will vouch that my mpg spreadsheets are accurate out to 9 decimal points. :shades:

10,059Tides will vouch that my mpg spreadsheets are accurate out to 9 decimal points.Absolutely! But you never did tell me how you measured your fill ups to the nearest molecule or distance travelled to the nearest millimeter! :P

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2,992My basic point was that point and short distances measurements aren't as accurate as those measured over longer distances.

52,572It is interesting how the theory works out. I have a spreadsheet with ~400 tanks over a decade on my minivan and I could delete a few of them and it wouldn't affect the lifetime mpg. At least not out to one decimal point.

59218,608Makes you wonder why it wasn't done to the 2010...

Regards,

OW

38,608Just did the same! CX-9 GTAWD/MRB/RLG) for her!

Mazda says fuel saving improvements were a outcome of work done on a model’s AWD differential rigging carryout, engine optimisation for improved explosion control (during deceleration as well as at resting as well as reduction in delivery attrition.

Depending upon various, new 18 as well as 20 in. amalgamate wheels will set a 2011 Mazda CX-9 detached. The brand new alloys are lighter than prior to as well as come wrapped in tyres that suggest improved rolling insurgency (better fuel saving.

Regards,

OW

321,092That is perfectly normal if you know how EPA do the tests.

My wife's Prius gets 33mpg all the time on school routes, which is about 2 miles away with several stop signs and lights.

Take the CX9 on a long trip, you will get 22 mpg AT LEAST!

58,862Further, if you have complaints - point them at the EPA. Mazda did not come up with the numbers, the EPA did.

66Today morning with heavy heavy heavy traffic I made 8.9 MPG!!! (26.4 L/100Km - 3.78 Km/L). This last values are horrible numbers.

In the next weeks I will have a highway driving (310 miles) so I will check the MPG consumption in highway.

Some weird stuff I see on the new CX9 2011 is I can go at 40miles x hour and the gearbox is in 6th gear. I read in the past 6th gear is only at highway but seems the new cx9 have a new programming (stupid) because MPG is horrible.