Oldsmobile Intrigue Starting/Stalling
jacksonpg15
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I have a 2000 oldsmobile intrigue that i recently replaced the crankshaft sensor on due to the b circuit failing. I now turn the key and sometimes have to cycle it several times to get the motor to start. The motor will not crank at all while i am cycling the ignition. So if anyone has any ideas let me know. I also get a code now for the A circuit on the crankshaft sensor and a camshaft b circuit sensor code. not sure if it has anything to do with replacing the crankshaft sensor.
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What are the actual code numbers you are getting?
The Intrigue has some "interesting" electrical and ignition issues that could cause the same problem. But he needs to confirm the fuel pressures first.
Also knowing what engine he has will help.
Update: I found the location of the directions to change the ignition switch. hope this helps: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=653340
Does your car also stall while driving?
I have had the crank shaft sensor replaced, new starter, battery, fuel filter.
Jeff
Any ideas would be very welcome.
Does anyone know if its the exact same procedure for the 2001? Also, does anyone know a way to measure the bolt tightness...cheaply? I would like to thank everyone here for helping me so far. I have read many posts since joining last year.
I don't have the money for labor but I found the part cheaply at rockauto.com. I am not a genius under the hood but I am going to try to change it myself. I'll report back and let everyone know how it goes.
You can get a torque wrench at Sears (or KMart) fairly cheap. Or try a place like Harbor Freight. Some auto parts stores will loan you tools as well.
After I replaced the CPS, I tried to start the car and nothing!!! It wouldn't even start to crank. I don't know if its the battery or the starter or something else. The radio and all of the console lights work, so I guess its not the battery. I hadn't even started my car for 5-6 months before replacing the CPS. The car would crank before my repair.
Before I tell everyone how to change the CPS, I would like to make sure that I did it correctly.
Also if you turn the key to the "on" position you should hear the fuel pump humming for 2-3 seconds. This is normally a quick way to see if the fuel pump is working. To check the fuel pressure regulator, you need a pressure gage for the fuel line. Those aren't too expensive. You should be able to do a google search on that procedure.
Piece of cake.
I have had so many problems with the intrigue that I bought an OBDII code reader. But this can be a double edged sword. Engine failed to crank at all and I would get both crankshaft and camshaft position codes. Well! if the engine isn't turning over then they have no feed back. I replaced the camshaft sensor. Wound up having it towed to the dealer and spent $300.00 for a starter. In the days before hi tech I would have had someone rap the starter with a hammer. But????
Like coonhound mentioned, the ignition switch could also be the problem.
Above is s discussion on P0446 on a 2002 Intrigue (same engine). I believe it is along the fuel filler line.
The ignition switch can cause some weird problems with these vehicles not just hard starting. I'm having issues with the ignition switch on my 2000 Intrigue. I may try to clean the contacts if the weather holds up this weekend. Cleaning the switch has worked for a number of owners.
Has anyone tried any of the previous remedies that actually cured the non-crank issue permanently? My local Chevy dealer continues to scratch his head and offers no resolution other than a new ignition switch and starter. I've eliminated the ignition switch and find it hard to believe the starter would be the issue since I've never had to get out and wrap the starter yet. Seems to me if I had a dead spot, it would stay dead until I somehow moved it off the dead spot as in smacking it with a ball pean hammer. But it always "eventually" cranks. What other GM models used this engine and the basic starter scheme as the Olds? Perhaps I should go to that model dealer who may have heard of this problem. Any, any discussion would be appreciated. THX Fade
However, one cannot dismiss the physical connections at the switch. Loose, dirty overheated etc.
The other possibilities are teh starter relay, the park neutral switch and the stater solenoid.
Can you hear the solenoid clicking when the key is turned?
The starter relay is grounded by the pcm and is energized by the key turning and the PN switch engaged in proper gear. The solenoid then transfers battery power to starter.
Since it is so intermittent, unless you have a meter or lights connected at various points along this circuit, you will not be able to determine what is interrupting the power to the solenoid.
Second to that, I would look carefully at the back of the ignition switch for overheated connectors. And or measure the resistance of the switch contacts. Should be close to 0 ohms or whatever the leads together are. More than 1 ohm and thats your problem. Also the resistance from the hot side of the switch to the cold side of the PN switch for resistance same criteria.
The starter solenoid and the starter need a good ground and come from the mounting bolts. loosen and tighten them to reseat the ground connection. also check the ground connection from the bat to the engine.
cheers
I hear absolutely nothing with I hit "START". No clicking, no further fuel pump noise. I have noted the lights go off, however that seems to be a normal occurance even when the switch works. I replaced the battery recently and tore apart the cables for a good cleaning so that should be eliminated. But I did not check the grounds so I will have to go do that. THX. I'll report back. Fade
I created a guide to removing the ignition starter switch from the dashboard. I got these directions from another forum. I have used them myself and they do work. You can also apply these directions for accessing the radio, HVAC control unit, instrument cluster (good time to replace any bulbs), etc.
http://www.carspace.com/guides/Cleaning-the-Ignition-Switch-on-a-2000-Intrigue
The dealers replaced the two crank sensors, one cam sensor, the ignition switch, the security relay, security module, and a specialty shop replaced the starter; $1600 and nothing. If I turn on the head lights with the key out of the ignition, open the drivers’ door, let the key alarm ring 8 times, close the door, and turn off the head lights, put in the key and vroom it starts (most of the time). In two days (if it keeps starting like a normal car) the engine light goes off and life is good.
If it’s parked for more than 4 hours, it has a good chance of starting. If the car is not ever locked, it starts every time. If you use the remote and lock the car twice with two pushes, un-lock it, it is guaranteed that it will not start. This is what I do, every time, to demonstrate it to each dealer.
Sometimes I just hold the ignition key on for 30 seconds and out of nowhere it cranks right up and starts. Three dealers, one specialist, and lots of time and money, and nothing.
Does anyone know whether the dash mounted switch senses the key in any way? My Intrigue does not have the security system so they keys have no chip on the them. Although I replaced the ignition switch with an AC-Delco part, it did not come with the key tumbler so I'm wondering if there is some sort of sensor in the tumbler mechanism that senses the key. I say that because way back when this first began several years ago, I could always turn the key upside down and it would start normally. Later I had to turn the key several times, but that finally quit helping leading me to clean and later replace the ignition switch. Any thoughts? Gary
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