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2009 Subaru Forester



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I've only used them on the outside of cars after washing, but for whatever reason it is an amazing way to leave zero residue and no streaks. Far better than paper towels, cloth towels, chamois, etc.

    I usually squeejee them and then dry off the lines with newspaper. The glass is totally transparent when I'm done.

    Does anyone know more about why newspaper is good for drying glass?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 10,925
    No, but I have the same results. It does not seem to matter whether the paper is printed or not. Our local newspaper gives away its roll remnants - that is a nice place to get paper for crafts, moving, etc.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 10,925

    I actually find that I have less problems when I keep the exterior windshield temperature below freezing, which means as little "defroster" as possible. When I blast the defroster on the inside of the windshield, it makes the glass just warm enough on the outside that snow will melt, then freeze, on the glass. When that happens, you are asking a lot from the wipers to keep the screen clean.

    A good low-temp washer fluid can help, as will good winter wiper blades - something without exposed metal parts. Ice builds up in there and the wiper cannot form to the window, so you get only tiny patches of wiper contacting the glass. I use Trico Neoform blades on my vehicles. They are the best I have tried and work well year-round. But, if the blades start icing up, their performance will go down as well.

    The trick is to keep the water either frozen or liquid, not alternating between the two. A defroster is not going to solve the problem unless outside temperatures are real close to freezing. When you're driving, the faster you go, the higher the rate of heat loss off the glass surface.
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    My 09 Forester is only my second vehicle with a key fob remote. It seems to be noticeably weaker than the Toyota one I use on my other vehicle. By weaker I mean that if I am walking away from the vehicle holding the remote in front of me it will not lock the car. My body is enough to block the signal. The Toyota remote has had the same battery for five and half years and doesn't have this problem.

    Is this normal for Subarus?
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,306
    Mine has a relatively short range, but no problem going through interior and exterior walls from 30' when I accidentally hit the panic button.
  • bigfrank3bigfrank3 Posts: 426
    I have had the out-gassing problem with many vehicles, especially in the real hot summer months. I do get it in the winter too, and both my wife's Forester and mine seem to be among the worst we have owned with trying to get the inside of the windshield clean, and stay that way for a while.

    I would describe what we "see" as greasy, that smears easily when touched. I have tried all kinds of cleaners and all kinds of paper towels, even newspaper. Nothing is great, and I usually have to clean the windshield at least 3 times to get it satisfactory for a short while. I agree that it is a real pain.

    What I have found that helps is to clean and protect the dash vinyl areas including the defroster vents. I have used a couple of things for this, 303 being one, but what I find the best is the Armor All product. This is not the original one that leaves everything too shiny and gives reflections, but the one in the bottle with the black and blue label. It is offered as a cleaner but the small print says it also protects. This stops or at least slows the out-gassing.

    By the way, when you see an old car with the dash all cracked and split, that is because all the plasticizer has out-gassed from the vinyl. It is put into the process for flexibility. The plasticizer is the greasy smear.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    To determine whether the filmy residue is coming out of the defroster, tape a small piece of bright white paper over a section of the defroster opening and leave it there for a week or two. Then remove it, and observe any residue. If you see residue, you can show that to your dealer.

    FYI, my 04 Forester never had any noticeable outgassing problems because it has a hard plastic dash. My 96 Legacy had a pretty bad problem because of soft vinyl dash, but only in hot/warm weather.
  • billwvbillwv Posts: 48
    Thanks. It makes sense. I'll try your suggestions.

  • w8ifiw8ifi Posts: 78
    Does your fogging coincide with a recent snow fall? In the winter here in snow country I always run my air circulation for the heater on outside air source(not recirculate).
    The reason is that snow from our boots collects on the floor and floor mats. As the cabin section heats up the high rise in humidity of melting snow hits the cold windows and condenses. This creates fogging. Outside air being drier keeps the humidity level lower.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 323

    Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, no the fogging occurs any time I am running the defrost/heater. We haven't had any snow in a while now.

    The "fog" is not water vapor which can be wiped off. This is a greasy film, that apparently Subaru knows about, but isn't doing anything about. If I used my car every day, I would have to wash all of the windows every day in order to be safe driving the car. On trips to Denver, an hour away, it is a concern as coming back is pretty unsafe to drive due to the build up of this greasy substance on the windshield.

    Worse, it is hard to wash off. The typical windex, glass plus and other alcohol base cleaners don't take it off, they just smear the film. One dealer told me they used some industrial cleaner to get it off. I don't have access to that, so I keep cleaning it with off the shelf stuff which doesn't really get it off. It gets better, but it is still and issue.

    Also, now in the daytime, the dash and anything on the dash is very clearly reflected in the glass, so that is also not good for driving either.

    I am also very concerned that I am breathing this stuff and injuring my health. Lately my lymphnodes in the back of my throat have swollen up and it is hard to swallow, etc. I have never had this type of "sickness", and I haven't been sick, not even a cold, for several years. I'm guessing it is related to this gaseous material that I am breathing in in the car. And it isn't a cold, as I haven't moved into the rest of the usual cold symptoms.

    Is anyone else having this in their car???
  • My wife has an 09 Forester which she purchased in August. Her windshield hasn't done much fogging. My 07 Outback has a terrible fogging problem, worse in warm weather and when the car is parked in the sun. I expected the problem to go away after the first summer, but it hasn't.

    My dealer's response: Never heard of a fogging problem before. I e-mailed Subaru some time back and they told me the problem was "normal" and the gasses were not hazardous (sure). My 02 Outback stopped fogging up after the first summer.

    If you haven't already, I suggest a call to Subaru to at least document the problem.
  • 09 forester my.Daughter left towel on floor rear passenger,picked up towel,a heavy towel and found it to be completely soacked.Upon further investigation found floor mat completely wet and also carpet underneath,lifted carpet and found yellow foam padding wet enough that you would be able to wring it out.Have not read any posts on this forum in regards to this problem,but have read of others having similar prolems on another subie forum.Is anyone else experiencing similar problems,or are there any ideas out there for what could be causing this.There had been no rain for previous week before discovery.TY
  • Outgassing is in general hard to remove. I've had issue with Prius, Camry and Malibu vehicles.
    Normal window cleaners such as Windex proved useless. Specialized cleaners such as Stoner Invisible Glass, or Meguiars (this one claims to have anti-haze properties) have better success.

    There was a web-based report a short time ago regarding toxicity of automotive plastics, and '09 Forester received medium concern rating; big offender was Bromine in door trim and front seat. Bromine is used as part of flame retardants.
    By comparison the 2007 Forester got a high concern rating and listed as one of the worst.
    The improvement's a sign that perhaps Subaru took this seriously and is in progress of reducing internal emissions. has the ratings.

    If you have enclosed parking and/or heated garage, parking with all or at least front windows open will allow outgassing to occur when vehicle's not in use.

    As mentioned earlier, outgassing is the plasticers gradually leaving the plastics that they are contained in. As time passes, those plastics will turn hard and brittle: unfortunately the normal aging process for plastics. Hopefully that will not occur within the vehicles' designed life span (and only Subaru has any idea what that is :surprise: ).
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 323
    I recall that I was told, back when I was a kid, that it was the black ink in the paper that had some effect. I was also told that the "colored" newspaper was not as effective. I never tested it out, however, I've always just used the black based on that. I don't know the why???
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    Well...I am at a little over 10,000 miles, and I have had to replace 2 windshields on my 2009 Forester Premium Edition. It has cracked in the exact same place, right behind the rear view mirror. The first one the dealer did not warranty. The second one happened today, and I am waiting to see if they will warranty it. This is my first Subaru. I may sell it if it continues to be a hassle.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 323
    Mine goes through walls and has worked from at least 50 feet away. Perhaps it needs a new battery???
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 323
    YIKES!!! Boy, that sure sounds like they need to cover it under warranty. Both windows.
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    I agree...they should have covered both, but didn't even offer. So...anyway the first one is paid and I am hoping "in good faith" that they will honor a warranty on the second windshield. Has anyone else had a windshield crack right behind the rear view mirror on this model?
  • Not yet, but a question....
    does your '09 have the automatic day-night mirror?

    I've noticed the cable for this mirror can get pinched by the headliner, and could then apply stress to the glass. That cable proved a source for a lot of creaking noises until rerouted to a position where it stopped creaking.

    The mirror itself is glued to the windshield (the rectangular plastic strut from mirror to top of windshield covers the cable but offers no support to the mirror).
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    In June, my 09 LLBean Windshield cracked also behind the rear view mirror. I remember hearing a loud pebble or something hitting it days before I noticed the crack. Since there were no aftermarket ones available, a new factory glass with heated elements was replaced by my insurance company.
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    That is interesting. You say you heard a pebble or something hit your windshield, but did you actually see the pebble. My thought is that the noise was the windshield cracking, not necessarily due to debris but possibly unknown pressure from a "design flaw".

    And to answer another post: my rear view mirror is the "auto day/ night" feature.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 323
    In my experience, they typically won't OFFER to do something. But, if you press them and explain your reasons, ie that it could be a design flaw (ex. kurt's post) and not a rock through the windsheild, they should still cover it.

    They can still cover the first one by reimbursing you for your deductible and any other out of pocket expenses. Subaru would automatically assume it was a rock or some such. They just need some convincing. Also, noting the other post here, where the windshield cracked in the same place could net you the new windshield and your deductible.

    Twice is not a coincidence in this case.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    Close inspection should reveal if the crack was due to an external impact. If so, there should be some chipping/pitting somewhere along the fracture line. Run a finger nail down the crack. You should be able to feel it, IF it is there.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Thanks. actually I did see a chip in the glass near the crack and knew that something hit it..
  • About 5 weeks ago, I was rear-ended in my 6 month old Forester. Initially, I thought that I got away with light damage, with just the bumper and reflector needing replacement. However, the Civic that hit me actually submarined me, crushing the spare tire well, and bending the entire exhaust system. I just got my car back on Friday,and the holdup was finding the left muffler.

    Is it just because it's a new model or is parts availability an issue with Subaru.?
  • So sorry to hear about your accident. That's a good question I'd like to know the answer to as well. Where are you located? I'm in NJ. Been waiting for a windshield for my 2009 Forester for 3 weeks now, and I'm praying mine will hold up until it comes in.
  • Not sure about general parts situation but have noticed it took 3 weeks to get a Hood-mounted intercooler baffle ordered.
    The northwest got screwed up pretty badly by a major storm in December, and Washington has been hard hit by rain recently. I-5 was flooded for several days (again).
    All of this has probably delayed some parts shipments.
  • Subaru buyers tend to be overeducated; they buy less car than they can afford and hang on to it forever. "They pay cash, and then you never see them again," impressed! I am overeducated (doctor of pharmacy), paid cash for the car, could have easily bought a more expensive car, and plan on keeping it for many years to come.

    ............big brother is watching! see you in 7.3 years.........
  • kcflyerkcflyer Posts: 78
    I too am a little peeved by the options packages. I don't want a sunroof. I do need a telescoping wheel. Why they force a big ticket item like a sunroof on you and then withhold the simple but coveted telescoping wheel unless you spring for the top of the line is frustrating. What they are doing is forcing me to crossshop more expensive competitors vehicles because in order to get the options I want I have to buy a bunch of stuff I don't.
  • I've seen the new Scotchguard shields for the Forester rear fenders, and they are about 3 times the size of the old ones. Unfortunately, my generally good dealer got fingerprints on the inside of one of them, (black fingerprints show up on a white car), so they will have to be redone.

    It also costs $170 for the new "front footwell" LED lights. The dealer gave me no labor estimate (the parts are around $40), and it took them a ridiculous amount of time to figure out the proper wires to connect to. No bargin, those :cry:
    The kit consists of two square tiles, each with 2 LED's, that get mounted under the front dash, only light up when the headlamps or parking light/markers are turned on, and switch off with the headlights (either manually or when key is removed).
    They do not get in the way of feet or anything under the dash.

    The kit does _not_ include lights for the rear footwells.
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