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2010 Toyota Camry
The 2009s have been out for a few months and the updated 2010 model may be here in less than a year. They current style hasn't been updated since it was introduced in 2006 and is due for a styling update in the next model year.
Is there any news or rumors on the 2010 Toyota Camry yet?
Maybe a new 4 cylinder engine, standard stability control, interior and exterior updates, better nav system etc.?
Is there any news or rumors on the 2010 Toyota Camry yet?
Maybe a new 4 cylinder engine, standard stability control, interior and exterior updates, better nav system etc.?
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They almost always make an update by the 4th model year. How "major" it is varies, but is generally a lot more than just new paint colors. The 2010 will be the fourth year of this body style.
Look at the 2005 Camry vs the 2002-2004 models.
The absolute minimum you can expect is standard VSA on most if not all models and a minor styling update (maybe new grill, headlights, tail lights etc.).
Maybe they will update or replace the 2.4 liter engine that's kind of old and address some complaints about interior quality.
The 2010 will probably be released earlier than average next year otherwise there was no point in making the 2008 Camry model year extremely short and releasing the 2009 Camry so early this year when there were no changes between 2008 and 2009 models.
I could see them adding some features seen on the 2009 Corolla such as pre-wiring the satellite radio antenna from the factory and making XM standard with the JBL.
There are also lots of complaints about the nav system being substandard vs the Honda's because there is little you or the front passenger can do with it while the car is in motion (even with the voice commands).
92-01 vehicles were about the same size
02-11 vehicles will all be about the same size
However with the lukewarm reception to the Accord's size increase ( almost Avalon ) I wonder if Toyota will grow the Camry any further. I hope not.
2.2L I4 ran from 92 to 01
3.0L V6 ran from ?? to 06 ( the 3.3L was a modified 3.0L )
2.4L I4 should run from 02 to 11
3.5L V6 should run from 07 to 16
These would be the SOP runs. The Venza with the 2.7L will be out as an 09 but I'd guess the Camry keeps the 2.4L through MY 2011. It makes the Venza that much more attractive. It sets it apart. Valvematic additions across the board are likely additions in all models at that time frame.
Then there's the THS 3 options.
People thought they wouldn't put the 3.5 in the Camry since the competition was only using 3 liter engines and so the Avalon could be further differentiated, but they were surprised when that engine did appear in the 2007 Camry.
I agree about the size. I think it's as big as it should get especially since the Avalon is already larger. It's due for something significant but just what I can't imagine other than the 2.7L and a sheetmetal overhaul.
Mack
Now if we would have gotten this instead of what we got we would probably sell more!
That could give better performance without hurting fuel economy. Maybe it would even add an mpg or 2.
It might be a bit much of a change for the 2010 MMC, but not impossible. I would definitely expect this by the 2012 fully redesigned Camry though.
At this point the 2008 Accord and 2009 Sonata have interiors that seem to be better quality. The Malibu has a some cheap interior parts, but is still overall slightly nicer quality in the interior than the current Camry.
If they did an upgrade in quality on 2010s similar to you Hyundai upgraded the 09's interiors, that would make the Camry a bit more attractive even with few "new" features for 2010. They need to spend a bit more care making sure trim pieces fit together properly and are padded to prevent rattles.
- Leave the 2.4L in the 4cyl models (except SE 4cyl) and improve gas mileage (instead of bumping up hp/torque)
- 4 cyl SE: use the larger engine 2.7L engine
- 4 cyl LE: make alloy rims standard
- 4/6 cyl SE - make sun/moonroof + spoiler standard
- 6 cyl - improve gas mileage (instead of bumping up hp/torque)
- Interiors: change the ugly plastic "silver" to stainless steel or aluminum or similar
- Please Please Please fix the blind spot caused by the passenger side rear C pillar!
- LED brake lights for all models
- Keyless ignition on all models
- VSC on all models
I would really like to see interior quality improved.
*More cupholders even the new Corolla has eight now including door pockets.
*Silver color interior to be changed to a darker silver with more detail such as aluminum. (The Accord in other countries has the matte black steel look which I think looks appealing.)
*Perhaps a little 2.5 inch screen displaying rearview when backing out. (New Highlander and future facelifted Tacoma have it.)
*LED tailights I noticed just about every facelift from Toyota now includes LED tailights.
*Get rid of those nasty seatback plastic pockets that just screams GM cheapness!!! My old 06 Camry had nice cloth seatback pockets.
*Active front headrests the Camry would be rated above the Accord for safety if it only had this useful safety feature.
*Better seat fabrics in the CE and LE something more modern and appealing looking. I like that fraichir material in the XLE but I guess that's too expensive to produce.
*XLE V6 with cloth should be reintroduced not many people like leather. And i'm sure itll sell well with that fraichir material.
NEW 180HP 2.5 4 Cyl engine mated to a 6 speed automatic.
New rear tail lights (probably LED's) front grill and headlights.
Smart key available on more models including the SE
Two new colors, a green and a tan/beige
New wheel designs
XM radio standard on JBL sound systems.
Active Headrests standard.
Production to begin in Feb 09
The big news here is NOT the engine but the fact that someone has figured out that a 6 speed transmission mated to a 4 Cyl is better optimization relatively than with a 6 Cyl.
Makes me almost want to move to Tucson so I could own/drive a Camry with reasonable safety.
Edit: oops, sorry, the question is directed at seatoyotasales
We drove the Accord and were not impressed. Accord was smaller, louder engine, more road noise and noisy front shock/absorber system. It creaked over speed bumps at very low speed!
VVT-i? or Dual VVT-i? or Valvematic?
I wouldn't hold my breath - unless they reduce the size to that of auntie's corolla; camrys need to get to 30 mpg before they get to 40 mpg, which they haven't yet. This rumbling that extra gears in an automatic transmission translate into better mileage is worrisome, especially since, in my experience, their 4 speeds do significantly better than any of their 5 speed transmissions that have been standard since 2005. Be wary. There are all sorts of claims of 2003+ camrys getting 30+mpg and just because you read it here doesn't mean you will get it. Don't buy a car based on what people claim on the internet. Go drive it 1,000 miles and see for yourself....the results will be educational to say the least.
So the more gear ratios you have, within reason, the closer you can get to the FE of a CVT.
DFI is already in use in many of today's engines, allowing FE to be improved via lean burn mixtures AND higher compression engines, ~12:1 typically.
It's not going to happen with a conventional gasoline engine, especially with people still clamoring for "more power".
This is hogwash, low 30s on the highway at posted 65-70 mph speed limits is no sweat for my 2005 4-cylinder with the 5-speed auto, and my 2004 with the same engine but the older 4-speed auto is capable of mid to upper 30s. I know you've argued with me and everyone else about the validity of such claims, but I stand by my measurements (calculated by miles driven divided by gallons to fill; the trip computer on the '05 is wildly optimistic). Put up your e-mail address in your profile and I'll send my spreadsheets.
OTOH, 40 mpg is a stretch I'd think unless you go a constant 50-55 on a level road. I highly doubt the 2010 will have any significant engine changes.
For the other poster regarding the V6, aren't 263 horses more than enough?
This is hogwash, low 30s on the highway at posted 65-70 mph speed limits is no sweat for my 2005 4-cylinder with the 5-speed auto, and my 2004 with the same engine but the older 4-speed auto is capable of mid to upper 30s. I know you've argued with me and everyone else about the validity of such claims, but I stand by my measurements (calculated by miles driven divided by gallons to fill; the trip computer on the '05 is wildly optimistic). Put up your e-mail address in your profile and I'll send my spreadsheets.
OTOH, 40 mpg is a stretch"
It sounds like you're agreeing with me (4 spd outperforms 5 spd, 40 mpg a stretch) at least in part. I'll keep this short....remind me, didn't you post theterm efficiency at something like 28 mpg on your 2004? That's still pretty good. I would say mine is something like 22-24 mpg (mixed).
On the '05, I have complete records from new up to its current 32K miles. Worst believable is 20 mpg, best is 35 mpg. We've taken enough long-distance trips (including a 2400-mile round trip to Florida this past spring) to count on 32 mpg on the highway, using cruise and keeping to the speed limit. Also included in this trip was a 602-mile run on a single tank -- meeting your challenge -- where I refilled with 18.53 gallons, yielding (surprise!) 32+ mpg.
I have the records; just put your e-mail up temporarily on your profile and you can check them out yourself.
For the record, we have quite a few Toyotas in our extended family. One is a '98 Corolla VE 3-speed auto, another is a '98 Corolla CE 4-speed auto. Both are similarly equipped and driven very conservatively and are shared by family members. Both are extremely well maintained and have just over 100K each. The 3-speed VE gets 32mpg mixed mileage while the 4-speed CE gets about 35mpg. Note that the cars are shared, so driving style is not a significant issue in this particular family.
I've read your postings in the mileage forum. My mom's 2007 Camry LE 4cyl auto gets about 36 mpg on Hwy driving only, at about 65mph. Yes, I tried it both ways (fill the tank up to the max vs stop at the first click). Both yielded similar results over a 1000+ miles total trip. As such, I don't think 40+mpg is a stretch for the 2010 Camry with 6 speed auto transmission. I will definitely buy one if mpg increases significantly with the 6speed. Unfortunately, as another poster pointed out, car makers in the U.S. try to keep the mpg constant while increase HP in new model years. I hope that changes in 2010. Toyota: We have enough power already! Please please please increase the MPG instead of power in the next models!
The newer 5 speed more likely uses the lockup clutch in 2 or even three of the higher gear ratios and with a 4 cylinder only the top gear is likley to be a true OD.
Obviously the 4 cylinder cannot remain in OD and/or with the lockup clutch engaged as much as would a 6 cylinder with a 5 speed. Let's acknowledge that the 5 speed in the 6 cylinder will not likely be as "low" geared overall as would be the 4 cylinder.
The bottom line is that with a 4 cylinder the top gear, OD, ratio in the 5 speed might very well be the same ratio as the top gear in the 4 speed. That would mean no real hwy FE advantage for the 5 speed.
Not such a simple equation as one might at first think.
CVT's cannot yet handle "higher" levels of HP/Torque.
> ratio in the 5 speed might very well be the same ratio as the
> top gear in the 4 speed. That would mean no real hwy FE
> advantage for the 5 speed.
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> Not such a simple equation as one might at first think.
Excellent points wwest. That's why I stated "all else being equal". Obviously there are many variables to consider. Also, the top gear does not necessarily have to be the same ratio in your 4spd vs 5spd example. In the example I mentioned (2 '98 Corollas), I believe that the final gears in the 2 transmissions have different ratios as the 3 speed revs a lot higher at 65mp than the 4 speed does. Point taken though.
Back on topic: seatoyotasales thanks for the updates on the engine sizes. It's too bad that Toyota has chosen to go with the larger engine. MPG would have been a better choice for the consumer. I understand that Toyo has to compete with Honda, etc, but they should also balance the one upmanship with consumer needs. I rather see new technologies applied to the existing 4 cyl engine as it provides more than enough power for the average consumer. BTW, our family has owned several 4 cyl and 6 cyl Camrys (mostly 6 cyl) but this generation of Camrys (and very high gas prices) have convinced most of the family members that the 4 cyl is the better choice for our needs. For everyday use like commuting, it provides more Torque and HP than we need. MPG is the next major area of improvement for all automakers now.