2009 Mitsubishi Outlander

batman47

The 2009 Outlander has been launched in Japan. Note the signal mirrors and the 7-spoke wheels.

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rcpax

actually, it's not, it's a 2008 v6, launched last year.

look here: http://paxtech.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-outlander-v6-30l-with-new-grille-ja.html- -

batman47

What about this?

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rcpax

it's the same car launched way back in oct 07.

batman47

As far as I know the 2007-2008 Outlander is not sold in the USA with signal mirrors. I don’t know what you mean by saying that all outlander are the same. I think that the 2009 Outlander is going to have a new transmission (i.e. double clutch).

rcpax

What are you talking about? Do you think that car in your pics is the 2009 US Outlander? The pictures you posted are from Mitsubishi Japan's website, which is a picture of the 08 Outlander 3.0L V6 sold in JAPAN. Those pictures you posted have been the same pictures since Oct 2007. MMNA haven't even announced the 2009 US model yet AFAIK. The 2009 US model will have enhancements as expected, mostly derived from the features of the 08 Outlander SE, which is to be made available to the other trims.

rcpax

I think that the 2009 Outlander is going to have a new transmission (i.e. double clutch).

It might get SST, but nothing confirmed. Currently planned for EU Outlanders only.

batman47

Perhaps you are right. But you don’t have a 2007 Outlander unveiling on year 2009.

rcpax

But you don’t have a 2007 Outlander unveiling on year 2009

I don't know where you're getting the idea that it is a 2009 model. I don't even see from the pictures you're posting that it's a 2009 model.

weim

Has anyone read anything about the diesel engine, available everywhere else, will be available in the US for the 2009 model?

rcpax

The 50 state diesel engine will be made available in the 2010 model year. First beneficiary will be the Lancer line-up which will be equipped with a 2.0L turbo diesel engine. Mitsubishi is even changing to diesels on their Montero/Pajero Evolutions for Dakar 2009 after it's maiden run in the 08 Central Europe Rally. From all indications, the US will get a diesel engine made by Mitsubishi itself, in cooperation with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, in contrast to the ones currently used in Europe Outlanders which uses diesels made by other companies (e.g. VW and Peugeot) through OEM partnership agreements.

batman47

I doubt it. Only very few brands (e.g. Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi) have managed to pass the emission regulations for Diesel engines in the USA. Mitsubishi will need at least 5-years to produce a low toxic gas emission.

Please take note that are hundreds of Diesel in Europe and even the Chinese have 4x4 Diesel that are sold in Europe but that doesn't means that they can make their way into the USA market. Diesel engine from Mercedes cannot be sold in California and other states, BMW cheat the regulations by incorporating an extra container with “Urea” that manages to comply with the USA regulations. Volkswagen cannot pass the regulation with the Tiguan 2.0 Liter Diesel but so far there is nothing concrete although the Diesel are sold in Europe since January this year. The first Diesel 2.0 Liter (Wagon) is announced for the fall, and so on.

My personal opinion Diesel will no be available in a degree like the petrol engine until 2012.

rcpax

I doubt it. Only very few brands (e.g. Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi) have managed to pass the emission regulations for Diesel engines in the USA. Mitsubishi will need at least 5-years to produce a low toxic gas emission.

Well, do you have links to back up your claim? Or is it just another baseless opinion?

batman47

Perhaps you could give sources to dispute my opinion.

rcpax

Certainly: http://paxtech.blogspot.com/search/label/Diesel

batman47

Mate your link say nothing about importing Mitsubishi cars with Diesel engine into the USA. You got it all wrong. I told you that even the Chinese are selling Diesel 4WD in Europe.

rcpax

Man, you need glasses

See here: http://paxtech.blogspot.com/2007/01/2008-mitsubishi-lancer-and-prototype-x.html

New Performance Diesel Model Under Development
In 2010, the Lancer line will gain a powerful turbo-diesel model. Mitsubishi last sold a diesel-powered pickup truck in the U.S. market in 1985. The next-generation Mitsubishi turbo-diesel announced at the NAIAS for the U.S. will be based on the engine that MMC is developing together with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries for European export models. The new engine incorporates a DPF + NOx trap catalyst system to ensure compliance with U.S. Tier II Bin 5 emissions regulations that require NOx (nitrogen oxides) emissions to be as low as those from gasoline engines.

batman47

OK mate, to end this debate, please put your message when the first Outlander Diesel is sold in the state of California. I said 2012.

rcpax

You said 2012, which is your opinion. I never said anything about a diesel engine for the Outlander. I was simply saying a diesel engine for Mitsubishi vehicles. Lancer will get it first in 2010. Did I mention Outlander? NO. That's because there is no mention of an Outlander Diesel just yet. But then you said you doubt it

To quote you:
I doubt it. Only very few brands (e.g. Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW, Audi) have managed to pass the emission regulations for Diesel engines in the USA. Mitsubishi will need at least 5-years to produce a low toxic gas emission.

My personal opinion Diesel will no be available in a degree like the petrol engine until 2012.

You and I were not even talking about a diesel Outlander but Diesel engine in general.

Then you come back saying you said something about a diesel Outlander by 2012. You were talking about diesel engine in general. :surprise: Read your posts dude and also read mine, and understand it.

batman47

OK, I thought we were in a 2009 Outlander forum. So you see that was my confusion. I think someone asked (in the 2009 Outlander column) if Mitsubishi expect to provide a Diesel engine (i.e. for the Outlander in my understanding) so why to talk about the Lancer (?).

rcpax

Dude nobody except you is confused. Go back and read the posts so you'll get yourself reoriented.

jvaine

(DUDE) This forum say's 2009 outlander,not lancer your the one confused.

stever

We just changed the discussion name to "2009 Mitsubishi Outlander" so Mitsu searches will pick it up easier.

Now we're all confused, so let's just move on shall we?

rcpax

Thanks for your single liner. You might want to read the old posts too before you make your intelligent single liner comment. The discussion is not about the Lancer, but you didn't seem to pick that up. Wanna join the fun? You're on. Lets see what you have to say about diesel engines from Mitsubishi then since you seem to have figured it out.Maybe you can enlighten us by your wisdom.

rcpax

You know steve, this isn't about the 2009 Outlander. Look at the first few posts. That's not even the 2009 Outlander. Somebody was confused and thought it was an 09 Outlander but its actually NOT. FYI.

stever

Well, we already have a 2008 Mitsubishi Outlander discussion.

We could retire this one and start over when the next model year rolls around....

batman47

The fact is that in Japan is being announced the debut of a 2009 Outlander. The fact that this 2009 Outlander may have minor addition doesn’t invalidate that it is a new model to be sold after October 2008 (as a 2009 model) in the USA. Few differences exist between the 2007 and 2008 Outlander but does not invalidate that the 2008 Outlander is a new version of the 2007 Outlander and it cannot be established that the 2007 model is equal than model 2008. Model 2008 Outlander has standard 115V outlet, new style of the third row of seats, 7-spoke wheels instead of 5-spoke wheels (only in the 2007 model), heated door mirrors for AWD 2008 models and so on.

Perhaps the 2009 model has more user-friendly mechanism to collapse the third row of seats, or the second row collapsing flat into the car floor, who knows. But because a member passionately defends that there is not a 2009 model (already announced in Japan) and immediately encouraged the moderator to delete the photos of the 2009 Outlander model in this column because this member said that the photos are model 2007 and period. I find this action scaring in addition that the moderator is taken side without explaining why this is done.

stever

We're North American centric in the forum, and if there's no '09 for sale and we don't know what the specs are, we're really into Future Vehicles territory. Unless there really are significant changes from one model year to another, breaking down the general model discussions year by year scatters the threads. Lots of questions and solutions apply to several model years.

But that's why I asked....

rcpax

The fact is that in Japan is being announced the debut of a 2009 Outlander

Where is the link to that "announcement"? Once and for all, post a link where a 2009 Outlander was announced. As I've said, the pictures you have posted is THE SAME vehicle announced and debuted in Japan as a 2007 Outlander V6 way back in October 2007. In fact It has been the same pictures posted there since that time. Now if you have links that will show that a 2009 Outlander is already announced, be it Japan or elsewhere in the world, you are free to post it here.

But because a member passionately defends that there is not a 2009 model (already announced in Japan) and immediately encouraged the moderator to delete the photos of the 2009 Outlander model in this column because this member said that the photos are model 2007 and period

Nothing but lies. :surprise: Show me a quote where "somebody" asked the moderator to delete the photos. :confuse:

And here is further proof that the vehicle you posted is a 2007 V6 Outlander announced and marketed in Japan since October 2007: http://www.mitsubishiforum.com/m_181241/tm.htm and also here: http://outlander.freeforums.org/mitsubishi-unveils-new-3-0l-v6-outlanders-for-ja- pan-t89.html
Look at the dates of posting in those threads.

Now your turn... let's see some links.

batman47

Mate: I have difficulties in attaching pictures in here so I cannot reply to your question.

Just to make 2 points:

One, “encourage” is not the same as “ask”. Second, please see again the picture copied from Mitsubishi web page (deleted). I have circled some aspect of the picture for you to analyze and make an intelligent inference. The Oxford dictionary defines the word “DEBUT” as the first public appearance of something. To reinforce this fact in the top right side is scribbled the term 2009 and in the left bottom is the word “What is new”.

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batman47

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biscuit_xls

Usually a "new model" is one in which the chassis/body/styling are significantly changed. In this case it's just a few minor changes that have already been available in other markets.

rcpax

First off, I don't think anybody can "encourage" any moderator here. And I tell you, definitely NOT me

And again, just because you saw "2009", it doesn't mean it's the 2009 Outlander. Here is a screencap of the link if you click the "2009" in your picture:



Now, it doesn't say anything about a 2009 Outlander, does it? It's the link to the 2009 Recruiting Information page!

chelentano

Available exclusively for the Japanese market, the Outlander “Roadest” is a special edition version of Mitsubishi’s SUV that stands out from the standard model thanks to a new full bodykit that includes a new front grille and chromed mirror caps along with a set of 7-spoke 18-inch alloy wheels. Inside the “Roadest” is equipped with dark colored sport cloth seats and decorative aluminum trim. Buyers can choose between three different body colors, white, black and grey. The Outlander “Roadest” is available for sale in Japan

http://www.mippin.com/mip/prev/story.jsp?&id=7567&c=-1&s=8&pv=0&sid=10409699&cat- =Motors&check=1&z=1@1214198701906569

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/outlander/grade/gra_06.html

xcell

From my dealer today:

I do not have ALL the details, but here are some. These NEW features available for the 2009 XLS. Will be availble for delivery October 2008

* Back Up Camera < tied into the Navi unit
* Rain Sensor (wipers)
* New type of Screen for the Nav unit that helps the glare issue
* Chrome trim for front grill
* Chrome trim look for the interior cabin

Pricing and ordering will be availble next week. If I get more information I will post it here.

chelentano

Backup camera is already available as dealer installed option. Are you saying it will be part of the package?

xcell

Yes, it will an option like the Sun And Sound, Luxury Package, etc. I have not heard the name of the package with the rear camera, but it will inclube other items as well.

I think the details (pricing, optional packages) will be out this week 7/14.

chelentano

it will probably be part of Navi package

blitzkrieg79

Just to add to xcells post, the LS trim will be discontinued for 2009, there will be ES, SE, and XLS (XLS will be the only trim with a 6 cylinder engine, rest will use the 2.4l). Backup camera will be added to navigation system package. Also, ES/SE will be available in 5 or 7 seat configurations (basically all trims will be available with 3 rows). Supposed ship date is late September. Also, to those of you looking for Mitsubishi incentives and rebates, don't count on it especially on Japanese made models. Mitsubishi just discontinued the Graduation Rebate ($500) and it's plan is to cut back on all the other incentives as they basically are trying to get the resale value of Mitsubishi to go up (leasing purposes).

comem47

Glad I bought my LS when I did. Didn't want the low profile rims, nor 3rd row seat and other base $ of an XLS, but needed the towing power of the 6 while still having the Sun and Sound package. Hopefully this lasts me the usual several years and we'll look again at their offerings.

toomanyfumes

I'm glad I got the LS with S+S myself. I think the V6 six-speed auto is a great powertrain, always enough power and my mileage seems to get better as the miles add up.

ken4ny

Very happy with my fully loaded XLS. Wouldn't want any less.

mitsubiman

<img src="http://www.nikol.com.ua/img/news/299/foto_299.jpeg

Nice.

Greetings from mexico!!!

mitsubiman

rcpax

That's the 06 Outlander Concept. Showcased at the 06 Paris Motor Show, prior to the Outlander's debut in the UK.

Read the article: http://paxtech.blogspot.com/2006/09/mitsubishi-outlander-concept-and-2007.html

cyrus1000

I am looking for a 2008 Outlander XLS, 4WD with Luxury, Sound & Sun, and Navigation packages. It&#146;s a hard find in Southern California as Mitsubishi has cut back production and 2009s are coming out any day. I understand that the only discernable difference between the 2008 and 2009 is the option of the rear view camera as part of the navigation package. I can get a used 2008 Outie XLS 4WD with around 9K miles on it with the aforementioned packages for about $21K. Do you folks think that&#146;s a good deal, or shall I wait for the 2009? The market for auto sales is pretty depressed, especially for less known brands like Mitsubishi. I can pay cash for the car. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

solowalker

I think if you're going to keep the car for 100,000 miles, it will be a great deal as long as the car has been well taken care of.. I have a 2007 xls 4wd V6 with 25,000 on the ticker and I've had no problems. I plan on keeeping it for 5 years and over 100k....

cyrus1000

Thanks for the feedback, Solowalker. I agree. Mitsubishis are great cars with a great tradition which is little known in North America. Their SUVs are sought after in many parts of the world for their reliability and ability to drive through almost any conditions mother nature can conjure up. I have a 2001 Montero with 120K miles which has never been in the shop except for routine maintenance. It has safely driven my family and I through snow blizzards, flashfloods and 130 degree desert heat. It still drives like a new car. I'd still take it on a road trip through the Rockys during the winter over a brand new Range Rover which could break down on you any moment. It's a shame Monteros are not sold in North America anymore. I only hope that Outlanders continue the tradition.

p.s. Outlander is one of the few SUVs recommended by the Consumer Report.

psychogun

While you can't buy the newest Montero in the U.S. or Canada, you can buy it in Mexico (not to mention that our friends south of the border also get the Grandis MPV).