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Acura RL



  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Interior looks nice, but I'm not impressed with Exterior of the car. Can't say I don't like, it's just OK, looks a little like old TL with rear lights from Corolla. It better have good performance, otherwise can be a bust for Acura.
  • steveaccordsteveaccord Posts: 108
    As pointed already by several people I believe we must wait a bit before issuing final say on this vehicle. I agree that right now with 20" tyres and all it may have a sport attitute exceeding the needs of a luxury flagship car but overall the aesthetic is sound. I also seem to agree that it reminds of several cars (back from accord and new BMW 5 series, sides TL etc). This most certainly will result in fact in a 'unique' look (as already suggested by varmint). Most importantly, as for the release of the new accord, I feel that Honda/Accura styling does not cater to the "head turning" type of desires but more to the 'understated elegance'. When I drive around in my 2003 Accord a lot of folks in Buicks etc.. actually ask if it is from the MB line of products. In fact that design grows on you until you realize that like for previous models these are designs that live on to establish 'classics'. The real gain is that you do not feel sitting in a sardine box as styling at large sweeps back and forth between linear-edgy/or curvilineous-soft trends. So I am sure we will enjoy this car for the 'looks' portion and I have no doubt that will be extatic about the 'innards' of the car. On this side although I would have loved to have more info about the production vehicle ( I guess some of the stats missing reflect upon this at the NYMS being a prototype and not really the production vehicle). I also would love to know about plans of implementation of the electric engine coupling to the 300HP gasoline 6V and other aspects of the SH-AWD. Well it is actually a long wish list...... but I am hopefull we will hear soon about the car and how it actually drives!!!
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    i was wondering what your track record is for predicting a sales success/flop based upon YOUR styling tastes?

    we were all right on the aztec.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    hopefully you will test drive the upcoming RL too. doubtful that you'll get a $7k discount on this car though. at least for now.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    My logic is that RL has to compete with a line of vehicles like newly designed 5, GS, A6 and M45. Current RL does not have a big stake in this category, based on this it MUST have TOTAL PACKAGE. I'm sure Rl will be able to double current sales, but I think Acura have different number in mind.
    If you take TL for example, it goes head to head with 5 year old 330 and 3 year old G35. TL also had a big stake in near luxury and has nice design.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It doesnt matter if the TL's competition is a few years older. The TL spanks them, its a best in class car. The older TL never reached those heights. What will most likely happen is Infiniti will "freshen" its G35 for '05, which Im sure Honda designed the TL to be prepared for. the 3 series is a bit of a wild card. BMW wouldnt dare to mess with their darling... but that doesnt mean bangle still wont royally screw it design wise, like he has with every single BMW since he took the job.
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Don't get me wrong a like TL and I too think it's the bast in class, but in my opening TL has something RL does not. I think RL will have the same success previous TL had, it will put Acura on the map(in this class), but it want has success of new TL. Maybe I just expected too much, who knows.

    Time will show.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    The new RL looks great to me but how is this SH AWD any different than my wife's Subaru LL Bean with AWD and LSD on the rear wheels?
  • bretaabretaa Posts: 130
    ...when looking at photos of this car (plus all the excellence coming from other automakers), it's amazing how many outstanding luxury sedans are out there right now, is it not?

    - Bret
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Nowakj66 - Good question. It's been a while since I've read up on Subie's LSD implementation, but I think these are the differences.

    An LSD is designed to prevent more than a bare minimum of slippage. During a hard turn, it ensures that the outside wheel gets a fair share of the torque being routed through the rear diffy. But the amount of torque split between the rear wheels is pretty much 50/50.

    SH-AWD takes it a step further. This system makes sure that the outside wheel get even more than it's fair share of power. It can send as much as 100% to one side or the other. With more torque going to the outside wheel, it pushes the car around the turn.

    Are you familiar with the ATTS system that Honda offered on the Prelude SH? It's like that, only for the rear wheels.

    Furthermore, SH-AWD uses electronic sensors hooked up to the steering, engine, a yaw gyro-thingy, and brakes to manage torque distribution. If you stomp on the gas, it sends power to the rear for better traction and acceleration. If you yank the wheel to the right, it sends power to the outside left wheel as you turn (not after).
  • If you mean Best Torque-steerer in Class, than yeah!

       MT just put the CTS ahead of it, and C&D didn't exactly say "Amen" either!

       It's a nice car, but let's settle down, or we'll have to enforce a two drink minimum, k?

  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Instead of cutting down on power at one wheel, it transmits the power to the other, and in a continuous pattern (not in steps, or some preset distribution).
  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    First I said that's what I THINK, but if you want to go with review, CR rated number one over 330, G35 and so on( CR is most reliable out of all magazines).
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    So this is the new RL. Not much in the way of styling, looks like a S-Class hit a 7-Series at the rear, it has a little Bangle trunklid treatment and a S-Class like light treatment. Other than the extra features its just a upgraded TL, which isn't "bad" I guess, but I expected more in the area of styling considering what a leap the new TL was over the old model. This new RL still has that Accord shape to it, no matter what the details that shape is still there.

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    After looking at the pictures some more, I see a lot of the just discontinued Acura CL coupe in the lines of this new RL. This car is just so uninspired, stylewise at least.

  • The new RL reminds me of the current Infinite Q. When it came out, people talked about the features of the car, but it just didn't sell that well, mostly because it didn't look as good as the SClass and Lexus LS. Now, I think Acura will have better sales than before, because face it, the current RL was good 3 or 4 years ago...but now, not so much. The biggest problem is, I just don't get the "WOW" effect when I see the car. When I saw the TL, even the TSX, I got somewhat of a "wow" that looks really good, and will definitely be able to compete w/ the BMWs, MBs, Audis and Infiniti's. Being an Acura buff, I think like many, I was hoping that the new RL was going to be the new Acura Revolution. The MDX, TL, TSX started the way, and the RL, though looks nice, and I'm sure will have a lot of great features, just didn't make me feel satiated. The MB Eclass, the BMW 5 Series both bring the "WOW" effect. They may not offer the greatest amount of options, but for some reason, people are willing to pay for, I think in order for Acura to bring people to their dealerships, they need to get them from the outside, which is probably why the TL is doing so well, it looks great!
  • jpayne1jpayne1 Posts: 1
    Its not really fair to compare this car to all of the 5 or E series. If it is going to cost 48K to 50K fully optioned then it only compares to the 525 and forget the E all together. The base prices of these cars are in the same range but that base is only the min and try to find that on the lot....
      To me this car should be compared with the M45 and the GS300. Agains those - its a winner in my book. After the M45 (or M35) is revamped by the end of the year it might be a toss up ( I really thing Infiniti will mess up again on the styling and interior).
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Thanks for the LSD v. SH-AWD explaination. It makes sense now. Sounds a bit more sophisticated and performance oriented.
  • mariner7mariner7 Posts: 509
    "( CR is most reliable out of all magazines)"

    I respect CR, and it serves an essential consumer perspective. But we all know it will pick practicality over excitement almost every single time.

    CR picks TL, the enthusiast mags pick G35, that says it all.

    I expect the same with RL/M. CR will pick RL and GS over M, that's a virtual given, but I don't think Infiniti minds. Neither do Infiniti fans!
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