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Mark snowed in in N.Y..
The noise was from the trunk area and would occur when I hit a pot hole or went over a speed bump, and could be replicated by bouncing the rear of a car at a standstill. We showed it to the service manager at the dealer, and he reported that a "coil needed to be rebedded" on the suspension. They were able to fix it quickly.
Hope this helps...
Happy motoring anyway!
tks
Has anybody had any success in getting rid of this thunking noise. It's really disconcerting - I feel the bottom of the car is going to drop out.
It is completely free and no one will try to sell you anything (thank goodness). It's Jagtalk.com
http://www.Jagtalk.com
Steve
The wood in my 95 Vanden Plas with 121K ungaraged also mostly FL miles is still nice and dark...
Ditto our 97 XJ6 with 56K.. that's also a Florida car.
Odd... it used to be a problem but I hear they are using a new process. Seems to be working!
Bill
95,97,99 sedans..
http://www.Jagtalk.com about battery drain. I will forward your
information about the Service Bulletin. Thanks!!
Steve
I haven't seen any GS300's,BMW 5 series, or the E320 in any rental fleets lately?
Make sure to get to Germany. You'll enjoy seeing all the BMWs and MBs used as pedestrian taxi cabs, cop cars, & rental cars. Maybe you can sample some of the small motor and diesel cars they have which aren't even exported to USA.
If you get the chance, take an S-type, LS8 Sport, or LS6 manual Sport out on a nice winding road. You'll take back what you said!
And yes, I have rented the diesel boxes of Europe and I agree, but for first year out dumping the S-types to the fleets??or was it they over projected and had to move them somewhere? What about the saps that lunked MSRP+ down for them when they hit the showrooms?
As far as the Lincoln, much better $value$ and room.
Oh, and you can whittle a Lincoln dealer down to invoice and if you catch them at a weak point you can get their holdback.
And your most recent owned I like about all of them except the Hyundai and the glorified Sentra/G-20 ?? What where you thinking? I am with you on the old Mercury! Have you seen the 03 Marauder by Ford?
You'll gripe about a rental S-type. Every rental car I've ever had had issues. The people who rent them don't own them. They don't take care of them. They don't treat them nicely. If performance oriented, they tend to flog them. That's why I would never buy a used rental car. Why not take a test drive in an S-type or loaded LS8 from a dealer's lot? Think you'll be pleasantly surprised. (Or are you an inveterate Jag/Lincoln hater?)
I love my '00 LS8 Sport, though it has had a couple niggling repair issues. I love my '96 Impala SS, though it is primitive (no IRS) and really needs a manual transmission. Since Marauder will also have a non-independent rear suspension and won't have manual tranny, I'm not too excited about it. Can't wait to see a 6-speed manual LS8 in '02 or '03. And I love my business Hyundai, a fully loaded Sonata GLS V-6 w/5-speed manual tranny, ABS, & traction control. Great fun on a budget! (You're too harsh about the '89-'96 Infiniti G20. The '94-'96 G20t was a great handler and spry performer with the manual tranny. I owned both a base G20 and a G20t. Never had a single mechanical problem, repair, or warranty issue.)
1st S-Type (kept 3 weeks) was delivered with leaking transmission, broken engine mount, and swapped wheels.
2nd S-Type (just turned 25,500 miles) is on its second transmission, third engine control module, second audio head unit, and second pair of front brake rotors. I've given up trying to fix it and just hope it doesn't fall apart before the lease runs out. Current problems include a transmission that slips on upshifts, leather wearing out on front center armrest, phone slide-out drawer broken, and dashboard lights not always coming on when I turn on the headlights.
Just in case you think I'm hard on cars, I've had 9 Japanese cars (two of which I still have . . . a 1999 Lexus RX 300 and a 1996 Miata). Eight of them, including the current two, have been entirely problem-free throughout their service life.
From CR's 4/01 Annual Auto Issue:
If you look at the Reliability Frequency of Repair Charts on pages 76-88, there are 14 individual areas for ratings and one overall rating. The Jag S-type (pg. 83) is rated best (few trouble spots) on 7 areas. It receives the second best rating on 6 areas, and the average rating on 1 area (electrical). CR then does NOT give a "Reliability Verdict". Thus all of the ratings are good to great (with have being the best).
Similar ratings for LS8 and LS6 are also on pg. 83. The LS8 gets the best rating on 12 items and the 2nd best rating on the other two. CR gives LS8 an overall "reliability" verdict of "average reliability". Go figure. For the LS6, 10 items are given the best rating, 3 are given the second best rating, and only 1 is given the average rating. CR then give the LS6 no "reliability verdict".
Then turn to the Reliability "Looking Forward" section on pages 30-31. On page 31 the S-type gets a "much worse than average" future "guesstimate", at nearly 80% worse than average.
The rating for the LS is on p. 31. But CR breaks it down separately for LS6 and LS8. The LS8 gets a slightly above average future "guestimate" but the LS6 gets a nearly -60% "guesstimate". Notice how CR did NOT break down the S-type by 6 and 8 cylinder engines.
Not sure how CR says Jag S-type and Lincoln LS have disappointing reliability and poor future reliability "guesstimate" when the specific rated items are good.
Compare to BMW 3 Series which gets above average reliability future "guesstimate" when it has only 11 best individual ratings and 3 2nd best, worse outcome than for the lower rated LS8. Again, go figure.
But not so . . . not only have I had several electrical problems with my 2000 S-Type, but three of the four people in my company who also drive S-Types as their company cars have had some combination of the same problems (dashboard lights not coming on, audio system display turning into gibberish, interior lights not turning off when you shut the doors).
Friends of mine several years back had a Jaguar XJ6. It was such a beautiful car that I always lusted after one. But I held off after watching them live through their quality woes -- AC condensation line pouring water into the front passenger footwell, endless electrical gremlins, odd body squeaks.
Then, with the intro of the gorgeous S-Type, the high JD Powers ratings of the XK8, and the reports of Ford's determination to clean up Jaguar quality, I assumed Jaguar finally had their quality problems licked.
As the CR ratings indicate, the electrical problems are still there. Why do they plague Jaguar decades after other car makers have licked them? When there is something this seriously wrong in an engineering/manufacturing/sourcing organization, it likely to have an impact on other areas of design and manufacture.
Interestingly, Consumer Reports gave the LS6 and Jag S-type the same "average" reliability rating for electrical, but gave the LS8 the "few" problems, highest rating, for electrical.
Methinks maybe you have solved the quandry. Of course, limey workers aren't up to international standards! Once British Socialist, oops Labour, Party back in power, why wouldn't the assemblyline worker not fight his or her capitalist exploiter boss by showing the same shabby build quality that made British cars fabulously infamous??? (Just kidding.)
Think, Guiness Brewery workers are now on strike. Can the British worker work well without his pints? Will soon be chaos in the streets and plants if strike not settled soon!
The hp difference comes from the more expensive Jaguar Variable Valve Timing heads (VVT).
Giowa on the other hand brought out what appears to be inconsistencies in Consumer Reports review of the S-type.
On page 76 of the April report in the middle of the page with the title 'Average is better than ever' you will see what the average score is for a 2000 model car. Compared to that model the S-type is below average in 5 trouble spots (engine, transmission, electrical, A/C, and suspension). These are significant trouble spots and so even though I really like the appearance of the upcoming X type and the fact that it is all wheel drive I still have concerns about the reliability of Jaguar vehicles.
As I said before, I find it interesting that CR had separate results for Lincoln LS6 and LS8 but not separate results for Jaguar 3.0 and 4.0. I wonder if their sample sizes were too small for each separately so they had to combine into one?
However, if you like the overall platform and you really go by CR, you might consider the LS8. Notice on p. 83 that LS8 beats the CR "average" and gets the black check mark for average reliability. (Oddly enough, the LS8 beats the BMW 3 Series and the 3 Series matches the "average" perfectly, but the 3 Series gets the red above average checkmark. That really has driven some anti-BMW LS owners crazy.)
But I find it odd to be satisfied with the quality of a $54,000 car because it trails "only" five other brands and ties with a sixth in overall quality ratings.
Now that we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have the requirement to stop and restart discussions after the numbers of posts exceed a certain limit. Since this discussion can continue as long as anyone has anything to say about the S-Type, there is no longer a need for the "Part Two" that has been included in the discussion name. Down the road, that could confuse our newer members so I have removed it.
I've altered the name slightly of the original discussion in the Archives to differentiate it from this active one.
Please continue...
Pat
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more reliable than my wife's Lexus GS. The Jagtalk.com message board has
hundreds of S-Type owners, and reliability problems are just not a concern for the
vast majority of the posters there.
Steve
http://www.Jagtalk.com
Anybody hear similar things? When do the Jag '02's get announced?
(paving the way for the LS to get more power as well)