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If there is anything that causes concern it is the practice of the local dealer to "recommend" a lot of expensive maintenance that goes waaaaaaay beyond with the Owners Manual calls for.
We are scheduling it in for "30,000 mile service" next week, and are going to try to get them to do what the manual calls for, at a reasonable price, rather than a big list of things in their service dept. brochure for 30K service that contains some really expensive stuff that Hyundai does not call for. Will report back here when we have made it through this offensive process.
It is this kind of crap that would bias my inclination to buy another Hyundai, and I would think that Hyundai USA would want to try to put a stop to it. It may seem to be a lot of car for the money when you are in the purchasing mode, but if routine maintenance costs are out of line the word about that is going to get around.
Just don't let them bilk you for unecessary services and parts. Tell them you want exactly what the manufacturer recommends, nothing more or less. You should have received a maintenance schedule along with your owner's manual. That's what you go by.
It may surprise you to learn that my wife and I feel that the XG experience has some remarkable similarities to Lexus LS400, but moreover there were some DESIGN deficiencies in the Lexus that are not apparent in the XG.
I was very active in the ClubLexus web site and can assure you that ALL LS400's from 1990 through 2000 model years had temperature control deficiencies in the automatic climate control system that are significant and ridiculous. It is an insult to owners that Toyota corp never bothered to fix it. And, to add insult to injury, if you look at the list of "enhancements" that they touted for LS430, fixing this is among them!! In contrast, I have no serious problems with the way that the automatic climate control works in the XG. (We have now had XG350L for two years and 30,000 miles, operated over wide a outdoor temp range).
Also, the 1999 LS400 has the notorious "throttle by wire" feature, and this results in some pretty bad driveability problems when accelerating from stop. Specifically, when transmission shifts from first to second gear, there is a period of startling deceleration before the car starts accelerating again. I have confirmed this design defect through two Lexus dealer service departments and other owners at the ClubLexus web site. The XG has some oddities when it comes to control of the transmission, but they are nowhere near as aggravating as what we experienced with the Lexus.
When I said sayonara to the folks on the Lexus web site, suggesting that one might legitimately compare LS with XG, of course I was flamed unmercifully, but believe me there is some legitimacy in that when you consider the difference in price!!!
By the way, my wife often will take a group of rather jaded design engineers to lunch in her XG, and it is commonplace that (a) they have no idea what kind of car it is, and (b) they guess that it most probably is a Lexus.
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0404/28/autos-136648.htm
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The only fear I have is about the reliability. Are there any data about reliability of this car? We got an offer of 21,560 for the XG350L which sounds like a good offer. Any comments? Any info about reliability would help. For example should one buy extended warranty as it seems that the Hyundai bumper-to-bumper warranty does not cover as many parts as it should.
Thanks for the help.
cheers
As for the warranty, the bumper to bumper covers almost everything. The radio and paint aren't covered past 36k, but thats standard across every company. The powertrain warranty covers most of the expensive parts as long as you maintain the car properly. I have owned 2 Hyundais and never felt the need to buy the extended warranty.
I can't imagine why you think the bumper to bumper doesn't cover as many parts as it should. To my knowledge, and based on the owner info on HyundaiUSA.com, the only items not covered are bulbs, wiper blades and brake linings AFTER the first 12 months or 12,000 miles. That seems darn reasonable to me. The stereo system and tires fall under a separate warranty, the first for three years/36,000 and the tires are covered by a pro-rated warranty through the tire manufacturer...all pretty much normal procedure.
As for history, do a little more research and I think you'll find that abrupt acceleration (throttle position sensor issue) and some transmission logic problems have been the main complaints. Make sure you test drive any car for at least 20 minutes and in city as well as highway conditions, if at all possible. Otherwise, the XG350 is considered a very good value for the money, as long as you plan to keep it at least 4 years, due to low resale. For the same price, though, I'd recommend you also test drive the new Chrysler 300s which are also great values for the money, IMO.
So, off I go to the Amanti forum to record my experiences with that car. It has been wonderful in the first 200 miles.
cheers
Please keep us updated here on Edmunds.com with your experiences.
had already agreed to Hyundai to have them give me another year or 12,000 on my warranty,this suit seeks more.Hyundai has agreed to settle by offering a debit card for $100.00 or the option of
$135.00 credit at a Hyundai dealer for parts or service good for two years.They had mistated H.P.
by 10.192 instead of 182,the true horse power for
the '01.The suit was filed in CA,so I don't know who is covered.
On another note, beside reading how batteries burn out quickly has anyone experience other problems relating back to the electrical system?
batteries don't last more than a year or so.I now have a Die Hard with 3 year full replacement guarntee,Hyundai does not even offer a comparable one.
When you buy a vehicle you are enterint into a contract. There are 3 basic parts to every contract. 1) Offer 2) Acceptance 3) Condideration.
If a you accept an offer based in incorrectly publish information, that is material misrepresentation and thus you accepted offer is voidable, even if 3 years after the offer was accepted. If one was willing to get a lawyer to fight it out, you could have one. It is the same premise for Lemon Laws. You accepted an offer for a functional vehicle not something that doesn't work.
There is your Business Law 101 lesson for the day.
By the way, just replaced the original Michelin tires with a set of Bridgestone Turanza LS-H P205/60R16, and indications are that they are going to be outstanding.
As a historical note- Hyundai even increased the brake disc size (for 2004 model year) to achieve even enhanced/expected capability..
My only complaint with the car is the extremely aggressive throttle. It lunges off the line real fast if you don't feather the throttle lightly. You have to concentrate to get a smooth slow start. The upside is, the power is quite impressive and puts a grin on my face. It's just annoying sometimes when you don't want or have the room to get near full throttle acceleration.
Particularly took note of your issue with the XG350L's throttle- I've discovered similar operating aspects. For me: on "fast" starts, just great accleration, power/torque quite good and pleasing; on "slow" starts (dense traffic, erratic speed/stops due to other vehicles..), I find it somewhat difficult to achieve a "light"/smooth acceleration sequence, and to my tastes an overly long shift pattern for 1-2. Like you, find that "feathering" lightly achieves an OK (not great result).
I'm having the dealer take an intense look at the XG350L Transaxle and throttle system (underway now), to see if some adjustments can be done to possibly the: TCM, adaptive learning, ratios, etc. or combinations thereof.
Hopefully, there'll be a good positive result or at least some minor improvement (power is great; but in it's proper time/place)...
A few direct questions on your XG350L purchase/options, did you get: the 8 CD in-trunk item? Carpeted mats?, rear mudguards?, any other accessories/options? Does your $22,050 include everything other than tax-license?
Overall, I'd say you're in the "ballpark". Prices for autos are dependent on a LOT of variables: model, "success" of model, time of year-month-week, dealership inventory, area dealers-competition, etc.
I find the "steals", "way below invoice" experiences great for those who can acheive such. But, they are in my opinion not the norm.
I find the TMV a good "guide" and reference point, which provides a starting point for a somewhat informed consumer.
1) Battery died out for no apparent reason. Have it recharged - but if I don't drive it for a couple of days - battery is drained but still have enough juice to start the engine.
(Sorry being lazy here - anyone know if I can still get it replaced under warranty?)
2) Possibly warp brak disc - I started to notice the vibration when braking at high speed (70mph). But below 60 - no vibration when braking.
Will need to get it looked at next time I'm at the dealer.
As regards your two points:
1) From extensive review of multiple Hyundai forums and usenet, batteries are a known issue throughout model lines. So much so that it has been reported Hyundai switched their OEM to a provider of better quality/reliability. Best info I have is that this occurred about 15-18 months ago.
a) Directly from Hyundai's warranty specs-
"Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)"
b) so, depending on your actual date of purchase you may be 100% AOK; or at the very most- paying 75% of parts cost for battery only..
2) Rotors on all XG350's were increased AFTER the 2002 MY to specfically address problems of wear/warpage (size increased from 10.5 to 12 in.)
1) Your garage door opener is +26 years old! Considering that period of history- don't (I wouldn't) expect any "remote" based component to be compatible. This was pre-wireless, pre-cellular, pre-FCC bandwidth re-allocation, almost pre solid-state, etc.
2) Surprised that the Hyundai-Homelink system would be compatible with systems +18 years ago. Great! My expectation would have been 10 years or less...
Enjoy you new XG3560L....
Happy that that you got the results, through persistence/perseverance- simply amazing!
As regards the lighting for the center dash components- many, many comments and complaints to Hyundai about this. Particularly the Trip Computer's visibility in bright daylight (difficult at best..).
From other Hyundai forum postings (and pictures) the XG is being remodeled/restyled for the 2006 MY. This includes a completely different center Console look with embedded NAV system as well..
Again, good show on your positive opening (and closing) result...
got a super deal.I paid $ 24,900.for my 2001 XG300
with mats,trunk net and moon roof.At the time only 2 dealers in area and one known to be bad.
Hyundai is coming out with a car they claim to be
known as the " The Camry Basher" sometime in '05.Article also said prices would be raised on ALL Hyundai's down the road,now that they have become known for their quality.
ABS SENSOR WAS DEFECTIVE THE FIRST YEAR.OTHER THAN THAT ITS BEEN GREAT. YES DEALER DID RECOMMEND
A $349.00 30 MONTH/ 30 ,000 MILE SERVICE,EVEN THOUGH THE CAR ONLY HAD 15,00 MILES ON IT. I MENTIONED TO MY SALESMAN THE POTENTIAL RIP-OFF,AND HE GAVE ME THE NAMES OF 2 FORMER TECHS
"ONE A MASTER MECHCANIC"AND THE OTHER 8 YRS.EXPERIENCE ON HYUNDAI'S,IN BUSINESS FOR THEMSELVES. TOTAL COST $ 150.00.