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Bad news regarding the replacement car. I haven't posted anything because I figured no one on the board would ever believe it. The replacement car is doing the exact same thing. I drive heavy miles and in 9800 miles since March 22 swap date, I have logged 53 incidents ranging from minor lurches, to starts in high gear, moving forward slowly and then dropping into low gear with a huge lurch, to 2 to 5 strong lurches in a row. In the worst case the car "laid rubber" and I took it in to have engine mounts checked. The dealer wants nothing to do with me and actually said, "It's the way you drive the car." They have yet to log one single comment about my complaints on the second car. They claim the car cannot be serviced, and that unless an employee of the dealership can duplicate while driving my car, the Hyundai Motor Company will not allow any repairs. (This is a breach of contrat- I have a premium warranty for 100K bumper to bumper service) They have also not allowed repairs on the original car--- that's frosting the dealer as he can't resell it with an unconfirmed defect. He reports he has had 7 different employees drive it and over 1500 miles they can't duplicate it. I have explained that certain conditions need to occur and even then it is not totally predictable. He jus twalks away and ignors me.
Out of fear that there will be an accident or injury, I have logged every start with the second car going back to mile 6. I record the odometer mileage, the engine compartment temperature and time of day and describe the start as "clear" or summarize the incident. (More than 500 entries so far). I have e-mailed the log periodically to the dealer so they can't claim I never made them aware of it.
If I were the dealer I would be very concerned about liability if anything goes wrong.
Also - I finally got another driver to duplicate it. Last week, I loaned the XG350L to another driver for a 30 mile trip and she let it sit for about 2 hours after arrival. The temperature outside was cool... and she got the scare of her life when she started the car, put it in drive and touched the gas pedal. She said the lurch was so fast and so violent that she wasn't even sure if she touched the pedal.. it was like a flash going off.
Be sure to file your complaint at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ We are not alone. You will find others just like it. With enough complaints, Hyundai is going to have to quit sandbagging this serious safety issue and address it.
Also, since I have been struck by lightning twice (and considering the low defects per million vehicles, that's about the correct odds) I have been invited to appear live on the Car Concerns radio program to be broadcast on subscribing AM stations (Horne Radio Network) Saturday, July 24 between 1 and 3PM EDT. A recording of the show will be available online at www.fastlanepublishers.com If you can possibly call in during the show, we'll talk about the problem and see if we can get some action going to help us. The tool free call in number is 877-958-5850
Good luck with your car. I don't think Hyundai has a solution for the problem. But with patience we will eventually get this serious safety defect addressed.
Today the Hyundai District Mgr has gotten involved and is driving the car this evening. I'm sure nothing will happen and they will say sorry, can't fix if can't duplicate.
Will follow up with reporting to the nthsa, thanx for the link.
They continue to say they have never heard of this before. Have shown them this post and asked them to contact dealer in knoxville. Can't believe none of this is in their data base.
Will let you know how it all works out and will try to call radio show Sat.
Beemer
Unfortunately the Missouri Lemon Law is not as strong as Florida. We have to submit to Hyundai in writing, give them opportunity to fix, go to Hyundai arbitration and only then can we file under Lemon Law.
Keep us posted as to what happens and good luck.
Beemer
A mechanic briefly checked the car, found the ABS is not working. He applied the brake hard, but there was no braking pulse from ABS. ABS warning light does not come on. Don't know why.
Early I said dealer quote me the center arm rest lid for $500. I think it's wrong. It must be the entire center console. Two dealers were not be able to find the lid piece price. Looks like it's not that easy as I thought to take the lid off the console.
Overall, we're very happy with this car. We're in the market for a second car, and my wife wanted to go with another hyundai. Wanted to wait for the Hyundai minivan - but can't really wait that long. On well.
Thanks
fej
Besides ABS, this car has a long stopping distance than most cars I drove.
There was a $3000 total rebate from Hyundai. The rest of the discount was courtesy of the dealer. There was no trade-in car and no factory nor dealer financing shenanigans to obfuscate the cash deal price.
I wonder if better XG350L deals are possible now that the '06 Sonata is available and the Azera is coming out soon.
Anyone get a better deal than 70.5% x MSRP with no dealer adds (plus tax, license and doc) ?
The actual deal in January 2005 worked out even better than the advertised price of $18999 for a new 2005 XG350L which had a $26594 MSRP.
But, that was then, this is now. How much are these cars selling for now? Are there any even left for sale?
If so, the new 2006 Sonata in GLS or LX trim might be selling for considerably higher prices than the '05 XG350L.
How about you buyers now? Which is more attractive for your $$ ? A new 2006 Sonata or a new 2005 XG350 ? Which would you pay more for?
Or are you waiting for the new Azera?
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Average miles per gallon for entire trip was 25.80 Car has 10,000 miles on it now.
I'm very happy with that fuel economy under those conditions.
What mpg are you all getting?
Thanks,
Dennis
If there are questions, feel free to email me - thanks!
should advertising more on TV and thru the newspaper, people are always
asking me what kind of vehicle it is, when i tell them it is a Hyundai, they
say that is one classie vehicle, mind is black on black in black. Hyunadi
keep up the good work, also, more variety of colors.
Lorraine,
San Francisco
I have a 2001 Hyundai XG300 and I am having problems with it and need help real bad. If anyone knows what are these OBDII codes for P1110, P1175, P1191, and P1196 and how to get them fixed. The other thing is that I had an OBDII codes for Shift solenoid P0760, P0750, do I need to replace the whole valve body or just the solenoids and how about rebuilding the transmission?
This car has been a night mare with all sorts of problems. I had to replace the throttle body the mass airflow sensor, speed sensors, etc. I would appreciate all the help that I can get. These problems are very costly to fix and any help will be appreciated. Thanks and take care.
PhD Rashed
I am having numerous problems with my XG350 and it has been in several times over the last 12 months and they cannot reproduce it. Please check my profile and feel free to email me with any results you are having. Be sure to get proper documentation and make sure that when you take it in, they place your language on the work order. We went to the BBB and are stuck with this vehicle that continues to break down.
On August 1, my back windows would not roll up after they were rolled down. Plus, the seatbelt light would not go off even though the seat belts were fastened. The light would stay on even when the car was off. My battery was dead according to the dealership and I bought a new battery and they replaced the module controlling the windows. A week later, my battery is dead and my passenger window would not roll down. They replaced that module and charged my battery. On August the 15, my battery was dead yet again. They claimed it was a bad battery and replaced it. On the 20th, my battery was dead. The alternator was supposedly bad and they replaced it. On the 29th, my parking brake light and air bag light were on and those modules were replaced. On September 13th, again the car was dead and they said there was a short in the starter. They replaced the starter and on the 30th of September my car died once again.
Does anyone have any suggestions? My car has been wonderful up until now. I don't understand why they can't/won't find and fix the problem. It is under warranty and even had an extended warranty (so they can't wait for it to go out of warranty and then charge me).
I'm almost done paying off the car and I don't want to finance another car. I have other bills to pay off. That is why I bought the extended warranty. I may have to get a lawyer and sue.
Thanks for any help.
The third and last time it happened it almost killed my wife. I had the car in reverse and the car completely stopped with my foot pressed hard on the brakes. When my wife opened the passenger door to get into the passenger side of the car, the car lurched violently backward and pinned her between the door and a chimney, then pushed her further back and pressed her against an old refrigerator which is stored in the garage. Luckily the car stopped. We had to take my wife to the emergency room. She suffered several bruises extreme swelling and needed surgery to drain the fluids in the swelling areas.
If any Hyundai's owners had similar lurching experience I like to hear from them.
In some comparative negligence tort law states, you could be held financially responsible for damages incurred by another person if a crash occurred while driving in excess of the tire speed rating of a tire you bought and installed on the car.
#291 of 292 Hmm delayed again? by keithl Nov 03, 2005
I stopped by a dealer last week as I am wiating on my next purchase until the Azera ships. Well he now says they were told it was pushed into January. The reason, too many XG350 left to sell. Well with all the Azera buzz do they think many will opt for a XG350? I gues if I was in a jam and had to buy now. He did say there was over $4000 iin rebates on the XG350.
#292 of 292 Re: Azera, Sonata or XG350? [keithl] by averigejoe Nov 03, 2005
The XG350s are really nice cars if you can get a new one around $18,000 or so. It has a nice smooth ride and power delivery. Has a lot of equipment too. Increase the air pressure in the tires to improve the mushy handling.
Go test drive one, but first ask the dealer to put at least 38 or 39 lbs into each tire (they'll safely hold 50).
Inside, the XGs look a lot like a 10 year old Infinity Q45 or a 15 year old Jaguar XJ sedan. Some of us still admire that style.
Outside, from the front you may see the Infinity I 35. From the back, a little like a Bentley. Overall it is at least unique.
Price-wise, a new XG should cost no more than a 4 cylinder Sonata GLS with the premium package. Compare those 2 if you are thinking of a new Hyundai sedan around $18,000.
There are dramatic differences. Find out which suits you best.
(But I am really anxious to try an Azera.)
If it happens again, pump the accelerator pedal a few times rapidly to the floor.
Mine started driving ok after doing that the last time.
Thank you for the input.
There are several posts on here months ago about this problem.
But check the messages on this board. The problem has been reported several times. And we are only a few owners.
My name is George Mueller.
I bought a 2005 XG350 which has automatically accelerated on its own while stopped at an intersection and other inconvenient places. I have spoke to Hyundai and they refuse to recognize the problem "because they can't duplicated it". I have already been given an XG350 to replace the first one I bought and it too has these same acceleration/braking problems.
I am interested in taking legal action if necessary to get this problem resolved for myself as well as anyone else experiencing these same kinds of problems.
I am looking for any information from anyone else who is experiencing these similar problems with getting Hyundai to resolve the speed/acceleration problems with their vehicles.
George
Last week, I had an appointment with the dealer to check it out, and wouldn't you know it, the light cleared on my way to the dealer. I cancelled the appointment, ran some errands, and header for home (30 miles away). Not more than 5 miles from home, the light came back on!
I figure the only way to get to the bottom of this is to read the codes myself. I have an OBDII code reader, but it won't read the codes on my XG. I thought the OBDII was the standard on all cars since 1996.
What kind of code reader do I need?
Thanks
I have a 2001 XG 300 and I have lots of problems with it. I took it to the dealer and that did not help much just a lot of $$$ for nothing. I bought Innova OBD II for 1996 and newer models and I am using it on my can and I tell you that it is saving me lots of $$$ just by getting the codes and the pad sensor and getting it fixed. I know OBD II should work if you need more info let me know. Take care and good luck
Dr. Rashed
How much would YOU really rather pay for the XG350L ?
That quote is the dealer's "wish list" price. He really wishes someone will pay that much for one.
You won't know what he might take until after you make a lower offer and walk away from the table. If he does not follow you or call you back you'll have a good idea of a price he won't accept.
The XG350L is a really nice car if you get it cheap enough.
It has happened to me a few times.
If it happens again, pump the accelerator pedal a few times rapidly to the floor.
Mine started driving ok after doing that the last time.
UPDATE:
It happened again yesterday. Was just starting out from overnight parking and car would not go over 5 mph. Pressed accelerator to floor, no response. Then I pumped it fast a couple times and it became normal again.
my parents have a 350, its having intermittent problems of not accelerating. From reading posts here it looks like its a commom problem. I've done searches and read as many posts as I could here.
Are there any dealerships that acknowledge a problem?
We'd love to have a contact for their dealer's service dept.
jeff
have you hugged your Jeep today?