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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • bacojoebacojoe Posts: 3
    My 1998 ES300 w/36,500 mi averages around town approx 21mpg. Two weekends ago, went to Harpers Ferry, WV from Kingsville,MD and return. The average for that 210 mile roundtrip was 25-1/2 MPG. I alternate on tank fillups regular to mid grade to regular etc, etc.
  • I have a '96, just got 26.5mpg on regular gas (89 octane here in NJ) on a trip to Durham, NC. That was running at an average 70mph over all.
  • 2001 Coach edition. Only 5,000 miles on motor. 22.5 mpg (87 octane) combined city, highway.

  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    I bought an '01 Sienna XLE (top of the line Toyota minvan) last fall that listed for $32.5k. In the spring my wife got an '01 ES300 that listed just under $35k. For the extra $2k she got traction control, sunroof, bigger and better tires, bigger and better wheels, bigger and better stereo with a rear subwoofer, a six disc changer, light everywhere including on all the major buttons and window switches, 10 more horses, nicer and much better looking leather, a longer warranty, a power passenger seat, side air bags, and a quiet ride I can only attribute to better fit and finish and more insulation. My Sienna has a rod (that's right, a rod) to hold up the hood! Either the Sienna cost too much or the ES300 is a heck of a bargain. Toyota has a way of making you pay dearly for every little gadget they add. Lexus seems to give you more than you'd expect at a fairly modest price.
  • With Toyota and Lexus for that matter, one needs to be careful when "checking" off on the options list. With Honda, a $23,000 Accord, costs $23,000 well equipped. Toyota seems to have adopted what American manufactures were doing in the 80's and early 90's. They would MSRP a car for $xx,xxx, but it had almost nothing on it. By the time you got the car the way it should have been equipped, it cost thousands more. Same with Toyota. A 2002 $25,000 Camry can easily go for $30,000+. An ES can also climb fast. The base model does not come with leather? So even though it "lists" for just over $30,000. To get one the way it should be "dressed" costs over $35,000.
    But it's worth every penny, the ES that is.
    Enjoy yours! I love mine.

  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    Here are some of the best pictures I have seen of the new Camry in case anyone is interested:

  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    Those severely raked windows make it much more difficult to get into and out of than the more "designed for comfort" 2001 and earlier Camry. Probably makes the trunk less convenient to use also.
  • I went to PIAA web site to look for replacement bulbs to give that "HID" look. I looked at their chart and saw that the model 9005 bulbs would work. What I neglected to notice was that the bulbs will only replace the High Beams. There are no bulbs that are made for the Low Beams. I want to know if anyone knows of a suitable brand that is available for the Low Beams.
  • vmaturovmaturo Posts: 71
    Passed the local Toyota dealer this morning.
    Saw a Camry XLE 6cyl for only $31,970 USD.
    No additions to the original sticker.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    If the Toyota dealers were not interested in discounting the car to near invoice (around $27-28K), I think one of the left-over new 2001 ES300s would be a better deal at that price.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    ...according to the local Lexus dealer, what you see on the lot is all that's gonna be coming!
  • tclemonstclemons Posts: 31
    I think the 2002 Camry is beginning to look a lot like the 00/01 Civic Coupe. In a couple of the photos, particularly the ones from the passenger side rear, it looks a little like the 01 Dodge Stratus. A lot of these cars are starting to look alike.

    BTW, re: gas mileage. I have a 98 ES300 with 22K and it averages 17-19 in town and 28-30 on the road. My wife drives the car daily (3 miles to work), so the in-town mileage is not as high as it could be because of the short trip - lot of stops. This car is by far the best I have ever owned. My wife wants a RX300 next, so I will wind up with the ES300.
  • vmaturo, almost $32K for '02 Camry, ouch.

    Fred, I think you are running out of time for a 2001 ES300. Went to dealer in N. CA. last week. When I bought mine, March '01, dealer had maybe 15-20 ES's on the lot. Last week only saw 4. None were Coach edition.

    tclemons, 28-30 mpg? That's great. What octane are you using? What speed do you and your wife drive on the freeway? I just put 100 freeway miles (70 mph) and about 120 city on my '01 ES. I got 24 mpg on 87 octane.

  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    Can anyone tell me if there are still more 2001 ES300s coming to dealers yet or have they all been delivered?
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I attended the 2002 test drive on Saturday. Great event, with lots of good food.

    There were several new ES 300s, many pre-production protoypes. I think there were seven of the nine available colors there.

    There were two courses, a luxury-oriented one and a sportier one with more twists and turns. Other cars on hand to drive were the MB E320, MB C320, BMW 325i, Lincoln LS, Acura 3.2TL and a Volvo. Plus there were a bunch of 2002 IS 300 SportCrosses on a separate track.

    Bottom line: I love this car. The exterior is very different with lots of character; it looks like a more expensive car. Head on it resembles a MB S-Class. Power is very good. It did not feel slower than any of the competitors and felt very quick compared to my 1995 ES. The steering has been firmed up a bit, although it does not handle like the BMW. The interior simply blows away anything else that was there. Nice little touches abound, such as the rain-sensing wipers, hook on the right side of the console, light inside the center console storage compartment, leather panel over the rear cupholders, etc. I am sure this car will be a success.
  • rdorardora Posts: 4
    Lenscap, did you get any idea on prices? Do you think the NAV/LEV options will push it to $40K? How do you think the ride compares to an LS400?

    Thanks for the info. Ron
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    In reference to posts 1275 and 1276: Can you provide any info on either of those two questions? Thanks, fvh.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    We were given no info on pricing as no Lexus people were there, only the 3rd party marketing firm. However, my dealer told me this: a brand-new GS 300 with the luxury package lists for a little over $43,000. He said with discounts the car can be had for $40,000, if not less. While such a car does not have ML/NAV, my dealer said it is highly unlikely a loaded ES would be more than you could get a GS for. He said look for a loaded ES at about $38,000. Again, this is just his guess.

    The ride is very close to an LS. Of course it will be a little different because it is a smaller car. But it felt real similar, with a much smoother, quieter ride than my 1995 ES but with better handling and firmer steering.
  • tnc69tnc69 Posts: 1
    I need to purchase a used car and do like the quality of the older Lexus ES300 models. I have found a 96 model on a dealer's lot which appears to be in mint condition. How many more miles should I expect from this car, if it was indeed well maintained, before I would run into any major problems? I keep shaking my head in disbelief as to how much they are asking for a used model. However, it is either this or a new Hyundai or other similarly priced new automobile. I have a friend who buys an Audi with around 50,000 miles on it and he keeps them until about 150,000 miles. So, what would be your verdict/advice?
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    I bought my 96 ES brand new back in 96 and currently have 114K miles.

    I can honestly say that I haven't had one problem with the car. I don't take to my Lexus dealer for service, I have a good friend who is ASE certified master mechanic. I change oil every 7000 miles with synthetic. Did major service at 85K, replaced timing belt...brake job..etc.

    I get comments all the time on how my car looks just as good as showroom. I thought about trading last year but couldn't justify the big $$ for a new ES...simply because my 96 drives like new.

    Just bought Goodyear Aquatred 3's. Absolutely unbelievable tires....especially in wet conditions. I've never had a tire that plowed right through the puddles without even a hint of hydroplaning.

    The older ES is awesome, if you can find one as good as mine.

    Good luck!
  • djlinkdjlink Posts: 3
    I just sold my 98 es300 w 64k for $21k, it was in perfect condition. If you have time look around for a one owner private seller, you should do better than with the dealer. I loved my car but would consider an acura TL or infinity I30 if the deal was right. That said I,ve got a 2002 GS300 on order, the Lexus experience has been first class. Good luck, shopping is half the fun.
  • jamrock4jamrock4 Posts: 53
    Ever since I received my copy of Autoweek with the report on the new ES300 and a very nice picture on the front cover, the ES300 has started to grow on me. I do not see myself spending $38,000 for the priviledge of owning this thing but I am most definitely interested in a test drive. Do not know who you bribed :) to participate in the test drive on Saturday. Appreciated your report and I am looking forward to conducting my own personal review in October.
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    ...on the Test Drive Event. Sounds like the ES won you over.

    Did you feel any noticeable improvement in interior head/leg room in front/back seat? My only pet peeve about the ES is that is has so much less interior room than LS.

    Any other thoughts on the 02 ES would be enjoyed. Thanks.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The interior definitely felt roomy. I'm 6', and there was plenty of headroom. In addition to the room, the front seats felt wider than today's current car. My friend who went with me now drives a 1997 ES 300, and he felt it was much roomier than his car. The back seemed roomier too, but I did not have a chance to actually sit back there.

    Some neat little observations:

    1. There is a sunglass holder above the rearview mirror (I think the 2001 has this too).
    2. There are now separate reading lights in the same panel, one for the driver and one for the passenger.
    3. There are beautiful metal scuff plates at all four doors that say Lexus.
    4. If you are in the car and the door is locked, you do not need to unlock the door to open. Simply pulling the inside handle unlocks the door (although the dealer can change this if desired).
    5. There is no keyhole on the outside front passenger door handle.
    6. There is a light inside the center console between the front seats.
    7. There is a neat trip computer under the speedometer with controls on the steering wheel.
    8. The wood is simply gorgeous.
    9. There is a leather cover that hides the rear seat cupholders when not in use (they're in the center armrest).
    10. I think the daytime running lights can be turned off, but I'm not positive on this.
    11. The compass in the rearview mirror is neat.
    12. There is a hook on the passenger side of the center console that retracts to hold a purse or small grocery bag from sliding around.
    13. Since it was raining that day, I have to say the rain-sensing wipers work very well. The wipers were on when a puddle splashed the windshield and all of a sudden the wipers switched to high for a minute to clear the extra water. Also, the side water-repellent windows work nicely as well.
    14. There are rear seat air vents.
    15. In the current ES, if you have the AVS, the cupholders block the switch when in use. In the 2002 the cupholders block nothing.
    16. The coat hooks in the back are improved and retract from the headliner.

    A few days before the event I went to a Toyota dealer to check out the new Camry. While I think the Camry is a great car, there are NO similarities between it and the 2002 ES anymore in terms of looks. The 2001s did kind of look alike, but that didn't bother me. But the new ones are just completely different all the way around.
  • rollomanrolloman Posts: 64
    I enjoyed all of your observations. Since I'm 6'3", the extra head and leg room is important. I'm looking forward to a test-drive soon.

    Keep in touch with any additional thoughts.

    Appreciate it!
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    I took a 2001 ES300 for a test-drive the other day and I noticed a hissing sound coming from the engine compartment. It sounded like it was coming from the air conditioner and sounded as if it was coming from the passenger side of the vehicle. It was not irritating but one could definitely hear it. I did read about this before on a review page. Are any owners here familiar with the sound or was it just that particular vehicle. The air conditioner was on when I drove it. I did not try to turn the air off. Any opinions?
  • The A/C hisses in my 2000 ES300 as well when it is on. I think it is "normal" and I listed it as a problem on the owner satisfaction survey from Lexus. Maybe they've improved the design for 2002.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    I went to the web page of and saw a lease that looked almost too good to be true.

    Does anyone have any experience with this company or have they got a similar lease through Lexus Finance?

  • It is too good to be true. The problem with that lease quote is that they are quoting you a cap cost at $1,000-2,000 below invoice (depending on how the car is equipped). While the 2001 ES's are being discounted, they aren't going for below invoice.

    It's unrealistic, that's all.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    Too bad. A 2001 ES300 is not what I really want, but I would gladly take it at that price.
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