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Example 1: Why are running boards needed on a Mini-Van? Pretty soon I'm sure they are going to add running boards to a Camry.
Example 2: "VIP Sales Follow-Up"... Going by the title, why does the customer have to pay for this?
If you like the features and would actually use them, then go for it.
Just go to Toyota's website and plug in a zip code for whatever area of the country you want to search and you'll get dealer contact info.
Good luck.
I spoke to our salesman yesterday, and told him what I had read online. He seem briefly frightened, and then ran and looked through some paperwork. He came running back and said we should more realistically expect the vehicle the week of Thanksgiving, which would make it like 2.5 weeks.
Why so long? Is it possible the Sienna is actually going to another dealer and they're going to do a swap?
2005 XLE AWD in Phantom Gray Pearl Option #9 (also includes wireless headphones & a few other "extras" that I can't remember)for $33,400.
This is $1,807 over Invoice & $2,265 off MSRP.
Is this a good deal???
If you live anywhere other then California ( where there isn't as much of a need for AWD ), I would hope you can at least get $3000 off MSRP. Unless you are in a rush.....wait till the last week of the month.
Ever since, I have moved on to shopping for the XLE Limited AWD. I know it sounds stupid...but my wife and I like that "Backup Sensor" feature and that feature ( ARGGGHH ) only comes in the Limited version.
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We are in CT, but bought an '05 LE AWD with BJ CF at Parkway Toyota in Englewood Cliffs, NJ -- someone in this forum had recommended them.
The online MSRP for this auto is $31,126. Dealers in CT were quoting (first quote) around MSRP for this vehicle.
We negotiated $2,000 off MSRP at Parkway Toyota, and paid $25 in plate and $99 in document fees on top of the that. We did not do alot of shopping around. We handled tax and registration in CT separately.
We asked for, and the dealer gave us, a few small add ons (hood protector, mats, cargo net) at invoice.
We had no trade in and did not finance with dealer.
I have seen what looks like even more aggressive deals on here, but its hard to be sure/precise since sometimes people do not post details of a trade-in (if any) or financing (if any). Obviously dealers can make money on those parts of a transaction.
I found it most helpful to try to compare prices people were paying on here relative to www.toyota.com MSRP prices for different models/packages, which give a fixed frame of reference. Based on that $2,000 for a more basic model seemed like a reasonable deal, if not a super steal. I did not find the invoice comparisons as useful, since they seem to vary and can be confusing.
Some general impressions, probably obvious to most:
1. There is more gross profit in the higher end models (XLE or Limited) and bigger packages, so you can probably get a more aggressive deal compared to MSRP on those.
2. AWDs are harder to find. One can say this works either way, since presumably there is less demand for them. This year though, Toyota seems to be making the only AWD minivan in the market, which is a main reason we bought Toyota. Thus, overall, I think on balance it is probably marginally easier to get a better deal on a non-AWD (e.g. when I called Fitzgerald's Lakeforest Toyota in MD -- another frequent mention on here -- they had no AWDs at all -- granted they are not in a big snow area).
3. My sense is that it is also probably marginally easier to get a better deal if you are willing to take a car that the dealer has in stock or can get in a swap rather than a factory order. The red exterior/grey interior we bought was swapped by the dealer, according to him.
Thanks again to all for sharing the info, and hope the above helps other new buyers.
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When I researched the North East for dealers who can offer me an XLE with option #8, surprise(?), not a single dealer had this and some were even surprised that such an option existed. To cut a long story short, I was told to go for an XLE with option #6 (Leather/ heated seats) and install the Navigation system afterwards at the dealer site or go for the XLE limited with toyota navigation system. I am really not interested in the XLE limited as it looks too much premium to pay for options that I am not interested in.
Is anybody aware whether XLE comes with option #8? Why the hell is Toyota offering that option if it is not available in the market?
I am also considering the 2005 Odyssey EX as it has a fab navigation system
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* laser cruise
* parking sensors
* HID head lights
* auto-dim interior rearview mirror, which can be added to the XLE as a port-installed accessory (MSRP $269)
* auto-dim driver-side mirror
For the details of our purchase, go to another message I posted shortly after 10/15. We might have bought the Limited for a little over $36K (vs. $34,561 we paid for the loaded XLE) if we could wait for a week or two, but we never use cruise let alone laser cruise and feel the parking sensors are somewhat redundant because we have got the rear-view camera that comes with the navigation. We do want the HID head lights and auto-dim mirrors but don't think they are worth $1K+.
Nevertheless, the resale value of the loaded Limited might be $2K+ more than the loaded XLE because the invoice difference between the base Limited and the loaded Limited is about $3K whereas the difference for XLE is about $7K.
MSRP 34326
SERVICE FEE 89
"DISCOUNT" 4061
TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE 30354
overall buying experience was pretty good -- this is my 1st toyota - I have been a Honda owner in the past... so we'll see how they compare.
$22,256 invoice, $565 freight, $976 package #2, $119 floor mats, $150 profit, $326 TDA; for $24,392
We may need to sell our own car by owner, the dealership low-balled us by offering $1,000 less than other dealers did. I believe we can get the "$150 over invoice" even without the trade-in.
Yes, Steve...it's called a scam. The dude signed on to become a member the same day he posted an obvious solicitation which included a web site.
Go ahead and pull the post before one of our members thinks he can get a new Sienna at invoice... and lose their $20.
Susan
Anybody had a good experience? Let me know.
Nick
However, you should walk away from any dealer who discusses pricing relative to invoice but who refuses to show it to you.
What is the Z1 package?
Carpet floor mats, door ceils, cargo net etc ..
Can anyone confirm the details what is within the Z1 package?
Carpeted Floor Mats/Door Sill Protector, Cargo Net, Emergency Assistance Kit, and First Aid Kit. We got the XLE Limited too and that is what is on our sticker under the Z1 package.
I'm wondering if there is a state nearby that is not part of these groups. I'm willing to drive a bit if it saves me ~$600. BTW, I'm in Louisiana.
has anybody bought cheaper than invoice plus $700, with no other dealer fees..??
1. Dealer Name: Stevens Toyota in long Island
The dealer’s invoice price was about $25800
2005 Sienna Silver color LE Package 9 (BZ, CF packages). $26500 is final price
2. Dealer Name:Parkway toyota in Englewood Cliffs, NJ.
2005 LE8 with FE, BW, CF with $26319, around is $500 over the dealer invoice
3. Dealer Name: Autoland, NJ. 2005 LE with option of FE,BZ,CF,GN.
Dealer invoice is $26045. Final price is $26545
4. Dealer Name: Darcars Toyota Sliver Spring, Maryland, phone:LE 7 BW+ Z1 package
Selling price 25,305.72 (Edmunds 25,187) MD tire recycling fee $2,processing charge 100 and total $25407.72. This is the greatest price I have ever seen!!!
Good Luck Everybody!
What’s the acceptable mileage on a new vehicle?
100 miles or 500 miles etc
Should we write on the bill of sales, when receiving the vehicle, the vehicle
had x-miles. For warranty purposes.
If the vehicle gets delivered with 300 does this extend the warranty to 36,300 or are we out the 300 miles?
This can be a tricky one.
Thanks for sharing the info.
+$705 nc sales tax, title, tags $76, $299 doc. fee for total of $26,244 before discount. Total I payed out the door, everything included $23,500. I doubt anyone has beat that.
I called 1-800-GO-TOYOTA
Asked customer service.
The warranty starts at the mileage, you pickup the vehicle at.
Example)
Pickup the vehicle with 300 miles, the warranty expires at 36,300 miles.
Write on the bill of sales the mileage when you pick up the vehicle.
"You can retrofit toyota OEM navigation system into XLE/XLE limited fro about $1700."
You have mentioned that voice commnad on Sienna navigation can be easily activated. Can you provide more details? Thanks!
I think that comes out to about $3500 to $3600 off MSRP.
I have it in email and confirmed with the dealer twice that that was the price that he was talking about.
For anyone who bought a 2005 XLE Limited AWD, does that too good to be true?
The response I received back contained the following priceless lines:
1. "Thank you for considering the 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 4-Dr through InvoiceDealers.com."
2. "From the information I received you are interested in a 2004 Toyota Sienna LE 7 passenger."
3. "Here is our Servcoautocenter.com Internet Prices for the 2004 Sienna LE 7-Passenger.
LE7 package1 $26,499.64
LE7 package5 $25,951.00
LE7 package7 $26,945.00
4. And my personnel favorite, "**We are getting close to the end of the 2004 Model Year. Quantities and Colors are Limited.
Note: Eric, these Siennas are available I can assist you by ‘reserving’ one of them for you or arranging a viewing/testdrive. Please give me a call to schedule a test drive."
I received this email today, November 19. Is there any other part of the country where the 2004 model year is drawing to a close? Is this worth discussing with Toyota USA? I know it isn't an anti-trust concern, b/c I can buy a different brand, but it raises my blood pressure, to put it mildly, to be treated by merchants as their lawful prey.
We went through this 2 years ago when we bought my wife's car. We were looking at the end of the model year, and had narrowed the choices to Camry and Accord. We liked them both, but slightly preferred the Camry. Servco wasn't willing to budge more than a few hundred below MSRP in late October. We bought an Accord b/c we could get a lot more upgrades for our money.
Extended warranty 6yr/100K came down to $800 + tax, is it a good price? Thanks.