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Toyota Echo

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  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
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    I spotted the new Corolla on the road for the first time yesterday. My first reaction was "Hey, that's a nice looking car!" While there are few nameplates that have such a well-earned reputation, I've never thought of Corollas as lookers before. From the outside, it looks like this car has more room inside. So as far as the marketplace is concerned, the ECHO could be in trouble. The base Corolla packs enough standard equipment (and offers optional eqipment) to eaily steal back sales that may have went to loaded ECHOs. It might be nice if Toyota re-balanced the playing field by building more equipment into the ECHO without raising the price.
  • Hey Slugline -- your summation of the 2003 Corolla was exactly my thoughts when I saw it at a local autoshow last week. WoW, what a nice looking vehicle, much more upscale than the Echo, and eeeek... the seating is also very comfortable and high. Had I waited 4 months, I would have bought the new Corolla afterall -- and this coming from someone who really loves her ECHO. Some things I would miss though would be the center mounted pod, and I still think there is more room in the back seat of the ECHO. I don't ever have a desire to *upscale* in the Toyota line and a good thing too -- IMHO, Camry's and above are still pretty blah looking. Is there a more non-descript car on the road than the Solara or Avalon?? Snoooooooze......
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    ....the Toyota air filter for my ECHO cost $11.99 and as it lasts for 30,000 miles you might consider it over the purelator.
  • I had the opportunity to crawl all over a Corolla when the dealership, where I bought my Echo, got a couple in. The build quality is top notch. I did not feel that I was sitting as high or as upright in the Corolla as I do in my Echo. The Corolla is definitely on my roommate's list of cars to replace her Galant, but the Echo also remains on that list.
  • My opinion of the new corolla is that it resembles the honda civic. certainly better looking than the older corolla model, but not as striking as the echo. The gray interior looked rather blah to me, no contrast as in the echo's interior. Again, better looking than last year's, and yet, it doesn't do anything for me.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    I think I am just a different market segment than many others who post here. I don't want more "options" made standard on the Echo. I dont want a car with power windows or automated door locks. I don't want a heavier car like the new Corolla. To me the Echo is minimal in that it weighs little, uses little gas, yet has the wonderful roominess that we appreciate. And it is a lively and responsive car with Toyota dependability.
    ...Maybe there are not enough people with my attitudes to support a major car model, or maybe the Echo just turns off too many people on the looks alone to be more successful.
  • I can certainly relate to your summation of why you chose the ECHO. I downgraded from a top of the line SUV (Blazer LT) and haven't looked back. The *only* things I found more appealing with the new Corolla was the wheelbase (I think it would ride better on the highway), and the upholstery -- looks a bit more substantial than the ECHO. As far as options -- I was thrilled to have NON-power seats in the ECHO. I hated, hated, hated them in my SUV because my husband and I are very different in size and to make the adjustments would take what seemed like an eternity. I love being able to just lift up the bar and zip into place. However, until the ECHO, I couldn't find a vehicle with seats high enough (kudu's to the ECHO again). And power windows -- bleeeech. Give me a crank window any day. Of course, I don't drive through toll booths so my tune may be different if that were the case. I live in North Dakota and cruise control is something that one can actually use because you only pass about 6 cars on the Interstate . However, if I lived in a place where traffic was heavy, I doubt I would miss cruise control. I "do" miss it, but can live without it. I am also happy to report that now that our weather is warmer I'm seeing much better gas mileage :-)
  • How much did you pay for your basic Echo and what year is it? We are very disappointed with our local Toyota dealer. They quoted $13,005 for a 2002 basic Echo w/o a/c or pwr steering and a 4 month wait. We offered $12K, which we thought was very generous; he basically laughed at us.
  • I paid #10,500 plus tax and license. I live in San Diego. This car is a 2001 Echo with air and power steering but nothing else.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Anyone have an Echo with serious mileage on it like 50k or so? Curious to hear how they are holding up. Any word on any changes for 03?
  • echo01echo01 Posts: 19
    I'm another one who likes the fact that you can get an Echo without lots of added gadgets. Mine doesn't have power door locks or windows, and I didn't want these things. I plan on keeping my car a long time, and as far as I'm concerned, these kinds of features are just more things to eventually break. About the only option I wanted was air conditioning.

    There is a market for "optionless" cars, but it's obviously not very big, or the car manufacturers would take advantage of it and offer more cars like this. And for more expensive models than the Echo, it can be hard to find a car that doesn't have all sorts of undesired options added. For example, a friend of mine wanted a Camry with manual transmission, no power windows and doors, etc, and had to wait several months to get it. I had a similar experience when I briefly looked at the Solara: they all come with power stuff, and in addition, the only 5-speed models I ever found had over $1000 of extraneous things like spoilers and power seats added on.

    I also was happy to find a good selection of Echos with manual transmissions; I am so used to shifting gears that an automatic transmission is, yes, just another option I don't want.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Going to the library today I was on a four lane divided highway when a black Dodge Durango pulled up to the side of the road, waiting to gain access to the highway. I was doing 40-45 in the right hand lane, and he stopped before he pulled in front of me. I took my eyes off him for a second and looked further down the road where a line of cars was backed up at a light. (which I learned to do at a motorcycle safety course: evaluate each "threat" and when you have determined its no danger to you, keep your eyes moving for other problems) Then he pulled out right in front of me and the windshield of my little ECHO was full of Durango. There was no time to do anything but swerve as hard as possible to the left and hope no one was next to me.There wasnt and somehow by the grace of God I missed him. I believe no other car I have EVER driven could have made that manuver, NO WAY! I remember all those comments about ECHOs with "skinny little tires" Brother, they may be skinny but that car held the road and reacted exactly as it had to to avoid that SUV. I thought it was OVER. Im certain the light weight of the car contributed to its agility. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with this car in terms of its handling ability, skinny tires or not. I am thankfull for such as well designed car!
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    I've always believed that the driver himself is the most important piece of safety equipment. I'm sure your reactions contributed as much to the accident avoidance as the abilities of the car you were driving. For example, just think of what could have happened if you had one hand to your ear, lost in a cell phone conversation! (just like the driver of a pickup truck I saw yesterday, who was having trouble staying in his lane)

    Concerning features/options: I do appreciate simplicity in cars, but not cost-cutting annoyances. Prime offenders on the ECHO in this regard are the side-view mirrors. Why are these not foldable? Parking lots are a fact of life, and so are people who brush by your car in the lot and knock the mirrors out of place. It happened again today and having to roll down the window and get the mirror back where I like it just seems like an unnecessary hassle, especially on the passenger side. It seems a bit incongruous to have an innovative convenience like the dual-level glovebox, yet not have mirror controls on the inside of the vehicle -- they don't necessarily need to be powered.
  • Hope you thank your echo by giving her a nice wax job or maybe even premium gas?!
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    But you wouldn't want a car without a speedometer, right? I find that Echo's lack of something as basic as an engine temperature gauge to be a real slap in the face. People with automatics can live without a tach, and many with manuals can too....but an idiot light for engine temperature?
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Having a temp. gauge is like having a weather forecast...you can see what it is but can't change it once it's there. I drive in the desert during the summertime and frequently go up steep mountain grades with the outside temp. around 110 degrees. I have never had the red light come on and this is while running the a/c AND flooring it.Yes it is strange at first not having a temp. gauge but I don't even miss it now.
  • wrgrahamwrgraham Posts: 112
    Lots of good comments (in my opinion) about Echo options. I would like a temp gauge too, but I think kaz6's comment is well taken. I didnt buy a basic Echo because some things were important to my wife and daughter, such as AC and the split rear seat. Also, as I recall, the
    intermittent windshield wiper capability was not standard on the 2000 model. And I did add a CD player for my teenage daughter, later, thanks to help from another person in this forum.
    ...My Echo has 44000 miles now, and no difficulties have arisen.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    I've read several post (under other models) claiming the Echo to be an exception automobile in terms of reliablity and gas mileage, but lacking in terms of excitement to drive.

    Do you Echo owners agree? Is the Echo boring to drive?
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Have you ever driven one? I was going to get a Focus until I did. I've ridden motorcycles for a while and that got me into liking 'basic' autos. The light weight and the strong/smooth engine plus a 5-spd. make it very fun to drive fast. It corners much better than the car mag's would have you believe as well! It is the quietest small car I've driven for long distance/high-speed and friends are always impressed with the comfort at speed.
    The only problem I've been having is a whistle/squeal noise that comes on with partial throttle and seems to be louder when the ambient temp. is below 70. The dealer says it's normal but it didn't make that noise when new. I'll have it checked further at my 30k service.
  • Hi! I purchased my 2002 ECHO on 12/12/01 and love it so far. The only annoyance has been that sometimes my driver side window freezes shut (I live in Michigan)! I have a short drive to work and have to roll my window down to swipe my parking permit and sometimes the window is frozen shut and is hard to open. Does this happen to anyone else? I do not have power windows.

    My ECHO so far has only 700 miles on it. Should I get the oil changed at the 3 month mark even though it has so few miles?
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