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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,403
    ....the "invisible bra" from what I understand is that the paint color underneath with time changes color from the rest of the car. Good concept though....
  • linardlinard Posts: 59
    Carnaught, I've seen two used 99 ML's with the bra, one was white and the other silver and they both looked fine. The problem with both was that the edges were getting dirty so you could see the tape line pretty obviously but there weren't any stone chips. What I want to try are the clear headlight covers, does anyone know of a good brand?
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,403
    ...the clear headlight covers are probably the better idea...3m makes a good product I understand.
  • Prabinek: I think you have forgotten the 15% taxes;with them included your $82k would go up to $94,427 Canadian dollars. Am I right? or did you get some special discount.
  • rowlandjrowlandj Posts: 254
    Try Stongard at I have used it on all my vehicles after loosing a fog light to a rock on my C320, that was an expensive lesson.

    Make sure that everything is pretty warm when you put the material on, it makes for a much more effective and simple installation.

    John R.
  • You are right. There was a 15% tax on top of it.
    Did not get one cent off. Since they don`t discount they have a better handle on the Mercedes
    "market" They have almost total control over used (Mercedes) car prices, as a result they have the highest"residual" value (62% after 3 years)
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    I had my '00 E430 in for a burnt out fog light so I thought I would check out the new "E" in the showroom. WOW!, they are really nice. I like the re-freshened interior compared to mine. Also, no one has mentioned the "TWO" sun visors like the Lincolns have had for years. I always wondered why any high-line car company didn't incorporate those in. The "secret" compartment for the in dash CD is pretty nifty too! Mercedes has a winner on their hands.

    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    Ray: It looks like my E500 will get here about the same time as yours. I haven't had confirmation that it is on the water yet but know it was built and had a serial number on Oct 14th.

    Appreciate the comments on the Invisible bra. I have researched it as much as I can. There are two main suppliers Invica-shield and Stongard..both use the 3M material. I suppose the main difference is how the plastic is cut but mostly who actually applies it.

    I checked with 3 MBZ dealers, a Lexus dealer and a Volvo dealer. They all said that they highly reccomend it. Only one of these actually installed it. The rest just referred customers to the local supplier. It did not sound like they made anything on the referral. That would make their opinion a little stronger.

    If you put it on it can be taken off without damage to the paint. However you would be out the $200 to $600 for the shield.

    Both do headlight protection as a stand alone and insurance is available for $15.00 that covers lights if ever damaged by road object. This would seem to be a no brainer even if the paint protection was not done.

    Let me know if you have any more or different info.

  • rayscarrayscar Posts: 70
    Hi Ed, that is my understanding too although I did not know it could be removed. There are pros and cons to doing it but I'm inclined to get it because I know for a fact I will have stone chips as well as possibly a broken headlight lens, which are very expensive to replace so any potential problems with the film are minor in comparison IMHO. I will investigate a little further once I get my car and decide then.

    BTW, if I can get an invisible bra for my wife it would be a no brainer! :)
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    I got confirmation that my car has been "on the water" for about 4 days. Not sure what that translates into for delivery. You will have a much faster water time in Virginia.
    West Coast must come thru Panama Canal to LA and then, in my case, by truck to the Seattle area.

    Not sure if the port shutdown backlog has any big effect on automobiles. At one time I understood that the big problem was containers and that cars were off loaded differently and in a different place.

    My only hold back on the bra is the appearance factor. I have seen it on white and light colors but not a black E series. "They" tell me that the wax build up is more apparent in the light colors and can be easily cleaned. MBZ dealers say they have had little or no complaints with the product.

    Hard decision, but I also think I will go with it because as you said I know I will have stone chips in my new metallic black paint if I do not do it. I have had many black cars and all have suffered the stone chip disaster.
  • My husband just picked up an E500 Black on Black with E1, E2, CD, and DVD Nav(Coming in Spring). It is a nice advancement from the 96E we owned years ago. The build quality is superb. It is a true tank. The thunk that the doors emit when I close them keeps me grinning.

    I am still getting used to the brakes. I have to "learn" the new way. I've been driving an SUV for past few years, so the performance and power are a welcome delight.

    We received a great discount and top dollar for our trade. We have purchased several cars from this dealer, and friends and family have also done so. My husband drove all the way to DC because the Chicago dealers could not come close on price for the E or our trade. Anyone in the market for an MB, I highly recommend EuroMotorCars in DC.

    I'm worried about stone chips in the Black paint too. I don't know about the invisible bra though. Any good waxes that I can get for my husband to perform his weekend duties?
  • rayscarrayscar Posts: 70
    Hi et610, you may not be effected too much by the dock strike/lockout. based on a post on another MB site I visit, this person is in CA and his car arrived during the lockout. He said it caused only about a 5-7 day delay even though the media said 6-8 months to get caught-up. So hopfully cars are not effected as much as other cargo. Good luck!
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    Can't wait to hear that great "THUNK.." sound on my new Benz.

    Sounds like our cars are much alike.
    I ordered E500
    Metallic Black/Black, E1,E2, Parktronic, CD, Heated Front Seats,
    406 Multicontour Seats, Nav sys and the
    promotion ($100) split/fold rear seats.

    Hope your new E500 lives up to your expectations. Rayscar and I are waiting to hear that "thunk".

  • I also have been researching putting a bra on my 97 E-420. I just bought it used with 52000 mi and there are just a couple of stone chips on the paint and grille. One other site selling precut kits of 3Ms Scotchcal film is at They warrant against damage to paint or headlights up to, I think, $1,000. They offer fairly detailed installation instructions on the website especially for hard to apply cars such as the E-class with its valleys between the fender and the hood. One drawback of the Expel kit for the W210 E-class body is that it does not cover the grille under the front fender. I checked into having one custom made and installed and found that the cost would be about $400. My preference for now is to just do the front headlamps. BTW, I also just found that sells the film in 1ft wide swathes (you order the length) for $9/sq ft. I may try to custom make my own lower grill cover.
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    I don't think I would want to try to put the film on myself. I would prefer to have a professional do it and warrant the installation. That way if it doen't fit right or look right I can have them redo it.

    BTW...Stongard in Seattle quotes about $529. for the full package installed.
  • mbe2003mbe2003 Posts: 12
    Well, I made it beyond the break in period and have finally got to take my E 320 out and open it up on the highway. Like so many others have said, I LOVE THIS CAR! It has a great ride, handles well and is extremely quite. Last night I was driving down the highway at 85 mph and could still here my 3 month old daughter breathing in her sleep in the back seat (of course, I had to mute the awesome HK stereo)!

    The biggest adjustment for me was getting used to the brakes. Since the system handles brake pressure for you as you slow down, you don't need to lift your foot off the pedal as you stop. Once you get used to it, they system is very nice. I have also had a couple occasions to stand on the brakes, and boy does the car respond.

    I really appreciate all the wonderful information you folks post here. If you know of other good boards, please add a post with some links. Also, I am interested in the invisible bra discussion for my black E 320. It seems like a good thing to do but I too am worried about how it looks and what happens to the paint underneath vs. the exposed paint. Any experiences would be appreciated. I plan on keeping this car for a long time, so I want it looking good!

    Happy Motoring!
  • rayscarrayscar Posts: 70
    I spend a lot of time on Look for the W211 forum. It has a lot more posts per day and is very informative. Enjoy the car! My E500 should be here early in November. Can't wait!
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    Thanks for the referral to the mbworld site. Very interesting and a nice combination with this one.

    Good link is :


  • I've broken down and finally purchased a Mercedes. After (happily) owning Audi's for several years, I decided that the redesigned E would be the car. Well, my wife decided. I chose the 8-cylnder and color combo black/with tan interior.

    I love the ineterior and the way it goes (like a bat out of hell!), but what is up with the paint??? We were excited when we picked it up as we were the 1st on the block to have the new "E" so I didn't really notice how bad the paint looks. I've had it detailed twice and finally took it into the dealership complaining that something was wrong. "Orange peal paint is a Mercedes trait" is what they told me! Uncecceptable.

    Does anyone else feel this way??? I'm bummed every time I see the car because it doesn't have a beautiful mirror finish like my black Audi did.
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,403 have a brand spankin' new E500 and it has "orange peel" paint? in a $50-60K car? Bummer! If so, I'd tell the dealer you want to talk to the district or regional rep. for Mercedes. I'm surprised at this because the three Mercedes I owned all had excellent paint jobs. My (3) Audis, come to think of it, had more mirror-like finishes, though. At any rate, I'd tell the dealer that their attitude is unacceptable for such a high status, high priced car. Tell them, that as an auto enthusiast, you have made your situation known to other enthusiasts and they are waiting to see your dealer's response.

    Good luck. Hope you otherwise are enjoying this car.
  • et610et610 Posts: 40
    I also would like to hear the dealer response.
    Hopefully, you just got a service advisor who was trying to blow you off. The MBz area rep is the one to talk to.

    Any dealers/service techs out there care to respond. We would like to hear if this is something that a dealer would be justified in advising.
  • The car is running extremely well. The noise I have been hearing is coming from the master cylinder pump. I can repeat the noise by pushing in the break with the car off. It's annoying as hell. It's a over active master cylinder.

    Other then that, the car is awesome. Fast, accurate and smooth. I am enjoying it more as time goes on.
  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    Defective paint on a new MB is unacceptable. Check other cars on the dealer's lot and if there is a noticeable difference, demand a repair or new paint. If, on the other hand, all the others cars appear to have the same style of painting (orange peal or otherwise) then you'll have to live with it along with the many other MB owners.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    I believe the new E and SL do share a similar electronic braking system, the funny 'quarking' brake noise in the SL can be eliminated through a simple procedue at your dealership, probably a similar procedue for the E, worth looking into.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 2,006
    I think that it must be rare event to have bad paint on a Mercedes. I have a 2000 E430 in Brilliant Silver/ash and a 2002 ML500 in Desert Silver/java. My paint is perfect and shiny on both. I do have a few rock chips on the E. Even my '91 560SEL, Black/palomino, had a perfect paint job.

    I looked at the new E's the other day (Black with Stone leather, a white/stone and a Silver/ash). All of the paint jobs appeared to be perfect to me.

    Paladin6, hope they take care of you on this issue.

    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • Its a shame that MB is virtually forced to stay out of the diesel passenger car market in the US. Both my parents drive MB diesels, including a 1995 S350 and 1998 E300 TurboDiesel. The vehicles are tru workhorses and continue to perform perfectly from front to back. Although diesel cars have been sterotyped by many as pollution pockets and "dirty" running cars, well let truth be known-- 25-30mpg in the city isn't too shabby.
    Oh yeah how 'bout 400-600 miles on one tank of fuel(not gasoline)? Its bullitproof. The SUV's and commercial gasoline and diesel vehicles are the problem children in and for the environment, not the diesel passengers car of today.

    Currently Volkswagen is the only manufacturer in the US selling diesel cars.

    I wish MB would and could bring the 2003 CLK AMG CDI to the US. Talk about a high performance economical sports car!
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    So if VW can sell diesels here, why can't MB?
  • Most newer European diesel designs (incl. MB) are based on common-rail high pressure fuel injection, which only works with low-sulphur diesel. This form of diesel is not available in the US, with the exception of California.
    These engines are even more efficient than their predecessors, and about 30% - 40% of new vehicles in Europe are diesels.

    However, there is another twist: The European emissions standards are geared towards reducing CO2, which is something diesels excel in. In the US, the focus is on reducing smog. And while diesels have made quite some advances, they cannot touch gas engines when it comes to particulate emissions.

    In summary, fuel quality and emissions standards make it problematic to sell diesel passenger cars in the US, so many manufacturers just don't bother.
  • haspelbein, the figure is close to 50% in the UK and Germany, and close to 60% in France, concerning diesel purchases.

    I read several articles confirming that the E270CDI will be making it over here in a few years. The 2.7 five-cylinder is apparently a modified version of an engine that has been in use for a long time, so my guess is that it is easily modifiable to take high-sulfur diesel.

    It's about 175hp and gets the car 0-60 in about 9.0 seconds. Sounds slow but in the mid-gears, probably as fast as a E320 or faster. Gas mileage is probably about 35-40mpg.

    While it is true particulates are higher, I've stood behind an S-class diesel (latest generation) and couldn't see or smell anything. Same with a Focus diesel I rented while in Europe. So I think that this country needs to give it another chance!
  • Also: considering how it took the 300D almost 15 seconds to get to 60mph back in the 80's, 9 seconds sounds positively fast!
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