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Glad to hear you are still enjoying your Intrigue as much as I am. Truly a great car. My hope is that the next generation Saturn LS is more like the Intrigue. Buick would do well by also picking up some Oldsmobile cues.
Did he ever explain what the differences were in the two?
Still driving my '00 Blue GLS.
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What I don't get is why they made a filter kit for the Aurora that has a much lower production than the Intrigue and hasn't been out nearly as long. They've been blowing smoke for months. So don't expect one to be made.
Anyone know if there is an Intrigue Hot Wheels car out there?
Let us not forget that this is a very global economy, and many American workers are happy to be employed at non-union non-big-3 shops. Plus many of the big-3 stuff are manufacture in our northern & southern neighbors. Yes, a lot of GM products today are better than before, but still about 10-years sub-standard with the rest of the competitors.
The Intrigue was supposed to be GM/Olds import fighter, asked yourself why did it fail. [And it can't all be due to marketing]. Heck Saturn is advertised all over the place, but yet it is struggling as well as many other GM lines.
I like Toyota just as much or more than Honda. GM should be very concerned about Toyota, as they are quickly catching a lot of GM's fallen customers. I know a lot of ex-Cadillac owners that are very happy with Lexus. When was the last time any GM sedans were on the top 3-4 sellers list??
At the time I bought my '98 Intrigue, there was a lot more in the Intrigue package than the de-content Camry. But hind-sight being 20-20, I would have preferred the more dull-bullet-proof smooth Camry, even though they are a dime-a-dozen. It is going to be very interesting to see how the public likes the all new 2001 Camry.
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In the other hand you can get plenty of Y2K Impalas and Montecarlos in 1/67, 1/43 and 1/18 scales.
re-dindak on getting decals: just go to www.firebatscave.com and check out what he has.
He will do custom orders, but check out my picts when i get them here (soon), as he
has already created those templates. Nevertheless, he can do almost anything, and they always look OEM!
Are you implying that the Intrigue and other GM cars, can be bought at fire-sale prices, and therefore represent a good value?? Everyone knows about GM huge discounts, and next to nothing financing etc. etc. Heck I saved 5k off the MSRP of my 98 Intrigue, but it was not worth all the headaches of multi shop visits. Nowadays I go in about for routine oil-change and maintenance every 6-months or 7500 miles [that is worth something to me, thank you very much].
I know a guy who did almost the same thing you did, except it was a Malibu. He wait until the second year of its release, paid $100 over invoice, minus his MC rebates. Plus he purchased an extended warranty [which has more than paid for itself]. Point is the car is not worth much today, and it is always requires something semi-major [brakes, struts, AC, CD eats discs.]. He now wishes he would have paid a little more for something else.
IF I could get a brand new fully loaded "trouble-free" 2002 Intrigue for around $16k, I do it in a heartbeat. Seeing that the average price of new cars is around $25k. But if it comes with too many headaches, then I just as soon pay a little more for something that has a better track record.
Toyota rules!!
Nothing from GM is a good value because of "resale" and "subpar" quality issues
My Intrigue was gone more than a year ago but I can't stop discussing it
My experience is the same as everyone elses
Honda rules!
Granted I would grow tired of it long before that, but it will still be in my garage as my lovely wife has already spoken for it, once I'm ready for my next dream machine. And it is just getting down right too expensive to keep swapping cars out every 4-6 years.
Yes only time will tell, the real question/test is how well will a car hold-up over the long haul and at what cost. Cause we all know that most new cars are easy for the first 5-years. Mercedes will virtually last forever, except it cost a small fortune to maintain them [I know I had a '76 240D]. I have seen many 10-15 year old Camry & Accords on the road, but NOT a lot of Olds Cutlass Surpremes/Ciera and a couple of 88 Royales. Who really know for sure, maybe they all get shipped to S. America to become taxi cabs.
I know a guy with an '88 Camry, with 325k miles on it. Other than needing some minor bumper trim work, it just keeps going and going.
There is a very nice black 442 convertible around my area not sure what year it is, but it is very nice.
1. Sister's ex-boyfriend 1982 Cavalier finally died with 372K a few years ago.
2. Neighbors 1988 LeSabre had 280K on it and is still running fine
3. Dad's 1985 Ford LTD with 277K was sold 3 years ago, still running last time I checked.
That's just off the top of my head. I could probably come up with more. No reason that an Intrigue would not last 14+ years if it was taken care of. Of course, no one will ever make you believe anything could be as good as Honda.
I've seen no evidence to suggest Japanese cars will last any longer than American cars, but there is plenty of evidence that the parts required to keep Japanese cars going will cost you a lot more.
A study I saw a few years ago, I think it was done by the AA, found that Japanese car parts were about %50 more expensive than average, and Totota was the worst at nearly 100%. The comments that I have read in Japanese car forums tend to back that up, as one of the main complaints of older car owners is the "outrageous" cost of parts.
And don't expect your Toyota alternator, starter, radiator core, head gasket, etc to last any longer that a G.M. equivalent.
That said, let me point out that this discussion is not a comparison topic. If anyone wants to start one, please hop over to the Comparisons - Sedans vs. Sedans folder and fire one up.
And there are many opinion-oriented discussions occurring on our News and Views Board where folks are talking about the Big 3, quality and these other kinds of issues.
Let's let this discussion get back to focusing on the Intrigue and take these recent subjects of debate to a more appropriate venue.
Thanks.
Pat
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Having worked for a Tier 1 supplier for almost 30 years, I can tell you that the superior quality the Japanese have enjoyed for so long (although the gap is narrow compared to 10 years ago) is due primarily to design and attention to detail. In general, car companies run by "car guys" will produce better products than car companies run by bean counters. The Roger Smith era at GM proves that pretty well.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it:-)
2002 Maxima with 260hp, revised tail and a 6-speed manual without significant weight gain (although Altima now has a bigger interior) - I'm waiting to read reviews of that. By 2003, if it is still around, it appears Intrigue power will be average in its class at best. I passed 5 Intrigues on the way home today - too many!!
With the 3.05 gear 30 mpg should be easily obtainable.
Furthermore, I saw one today that was a silver GX (no foglights) with a moonroof, and the creepy part, it had a scratch almost exacly where I have one on my car. I would have been worried had I not been sitting in my car at the time.
As for foreign vs domestic, it's a silly argument as it's really very model specific. I just don't like it when people tell me foreign or one brand is clearly superior because it's simply not true. Every company/ car has it's problems and downside.
above the left front headlite area on the hood.
The "TwinCam 24V" and "LX5/3.5L" decals are avail. from www.firebatscave.com, for around 7-10 dollars a piece if I remember.
They were custom made when I got them, and can be made to any color.
The site owner will also make new custom decals to order. And they
look OEM. They go on easy too. The LX5/3.5 decal is split across (look close) and placed just behind the headlites, on the sides, these cuts are carried over into the headlite's lense stripes.
Oh, and no, type R doesn't stand for Rice wagon, but here its for Rocket (and If you don't know what has to do with Olds, well...)
More Hp, less weight. Move on or eat dust.
www.picturetrail.com and type in ketch for the
album to see as a guest, then click 'my album"
Looks just like mine!!
Would you not agree that it is pretty hefty bite in just 2 years ownership?? He needs to keep it for about 14 years, right?
I do agree foreign parts may tend to be more expensive, however I do believe that their failure rates rates, to be better over the long haul. Meaning you can drive them hard and put a lot of miles on them before that start breaking. But, I tend to get gun-shy when a car starts costing me too much money, and dump it.
Your mileage may vary.
Since you are a big Saturn fan, are you willing to go full pop on a fully loaded Saturn L [that is around $24k (US)]?? And what about the upcoming Vue, that you think might fit your growing family needs??
Seems a lot of companies are trying to get off the discount incentive merry-go-round, as it cuts too deeply into the bottom line. In other words, Produce & Price it Right and it will sell itself.
Too many people will walk/run right off the lot or showroom, if they get sticker shock. Do you think that maybe that was one of the problems with selling the Intrigue?? A GLS, MSRP is over 30k, or GL at 26-27. People over on the 2002 Camry board are steaming about a newly designed fully loaded Camry XLE being priced over 30k. How can/could Olds justify pricing/selling an un-proven Intrigue for that amount in past years??
Just trying to inject some view points, from the other side of the fence.
If you re-read my post you will see that I was implying that Hondas do sell close to list. GM cars do not. Hence the point... Apples and Oranges.
Never said I was a Saturn fan either. I only hope they become a real import fighting division now that Olds is gone. LS 3.0L and 2.2L engines are very good though.
Only thing you are "injecting" is a lot of hot air.
See pat Aug 27, 2001 3:28pm for links to places for some of the off-topic conversation that's been occurring here.
Thank you.
Pat
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The dealer tells me I need to replace or have rebuilt. For those who don't know thats a lot of of money - and I just rolled out of my Warranty based on having 40.000 miles on it.
Has anyone else seen this problem? Or am I just extremely unlucky?
Also, is there any way to not bend over and take it from the dealer just because i'm 4,00 over the Warranty?
What is the EXACT code you had returned?
What does the dealer say you need to have replace? Cost?
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