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I don't like the badging of the final 500 Intrigue. The center of the wheels make it look like a Chevy from a distance and it's trying to hearken back to a heritage that they left in the dust long ago. That cursiveish Oldsmobile font doesn't match Intrigue even more so than the font from the 70s. I wouldn't mine INTRIGUE on the seats but not that big Oldsmobile font on em.
Drove the car home last night and then the Intrigue right after. Comparing the cars only on a quality and performance basis, the Intrigue still gets the nod for performance in terms of handling and acceleration. The Alero has slightly better brakes but then again, they are new. Quality wise, the Alero seems a slight bit tighter and knobs feel a bit better in terms of quality. I still like the Intrigue better over all, but I think people with the Olds credit would do very well with an Alero as a second car. The Ecotec has many of the same characteristics the 3.5L in the Intrigue does.
As an aside, I really like the new RDS stereo. Sound from the 6-speaker system is excellent.
lmacmil : Have you had the shaft and tranny replaced?
Talked to my dealer about the Final 500 and he said they have a provisional order for one, but he does not know if they will be getting it.
Intrepid had alot of nagging problems after 65k and had alot of road noise and the Honda has been in the shop a bunch with brake and interior problems and also has alot of road noise and rides a bit harsh.
Drove an Intrigue GL and a Concord but not the Sable yet. Put about 45k per year on my car and spend 6-7 hrs at a time on the road. I am 6'2" and need some leg room. Would like a slightly softer quiter ride but don't want to give up to much of sporty ride.
I really like the features the GL has to offer and I found one in Houston for $22,300 with sun & sound. A little concerned about he reports on Edmunds about poor build quality and the fact that it fell from 2nd to 8th in the recent sedan comparison.
Any former Intrepid/Concord, Sable owners that can shed some light on this decision.
Thanks,
Larry
Quality. You'll get a lot of responses about that. Refer to legero8's posts. Keep in mind, his car was used. From the problems he's having, it sounds like the previous owner was a weekend mechanic who didn't buy a manual. Speaking only for myself, I have not had any major problems (very few problems at all, in fact) and I am on my second Intrigue. The frist was a 1998 and went 80,000 miles and purred like a kitten. Only required oil changes and I did that according to the oil life monitor. You may have to get the steering shaft lubed. So far I have not needed that done on my 2001 Intrigue GL and it has been flawless at 20,000+ miles.
As far as Edmund's review is concerned, I'll leave that to your own judgement. Edmunds says it sucks (1998 & early 1999 models did have some issues), Motor Trend and Car and Driver say it's a good machine. Take it for what you will.
Oh, and the ride is comfortable. GREAT road car as many here will attest. Watch out for Five-0. It's nothing to do 90mph and not realize it. The car is extremely stable at high speed. To me, it actually feels better at 75 than at 50.
Blasphemy!!!
every other color has painted side mirrors but the black got black plastic.
has this been remedied for anyone else.
also is the full dealer 30,000 mile service needed? my dealer says it needs the engine serviced, brakes checked, trans fluid, changed, and coolant flushed. isn't that supposed to be good for 100,000 miles.
any comments would be appreciated
Bulletin No.: 00-08-51-001
Date: September, 2000
Subject:
Outside Rear View Mirror Housing Turns Chalky/Dull
(Color/Clear Coat Mirror)
Your dealer should be able to look it up and help you from there.
I know a a guy who works at the Concord/ Intrepid plant and he thinks the Intrigue is a better car. Granted he works on the line, but he drives a GM which I always make fun of him about.
The passenger side of the cowling comes off by itself so you don't have to remove the wipers. The fastners are a little tricky. It helps to have a trim pad removal tool. A Craftsman tack puller also works great.
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The trick with the fastners is to hold the bottom still while you unscrew the plastic screw inside.
Then use the tack puller to take out the bottom part.
I have a 99 and page 6-22 of the owners manual does a good job of outlining the steps.
Good Luck.
When I have my foot on the brake and the right turn signal on, both front turn signals flash.
When I have my foot on the brake and the turn signals off, my right rear amber turn signal illuminates, but does not flash.
When I have my foot on the brake my left rear brake light doesn't illuminate. I changed the brake light bulbs, but it didn't help.
Any ideas?
I can't resist saying: And thus we see the true colors of the one who has caused so much grief on this board. One can only hope the Intrigue does right by him... and leaves him stranded somewhere in the desert.
Someone was asking about the different interior colors. I always thought mine was neutral until I saw a new one on the lot. It turns out my interior is mocha. I like the neutral look much better. That's another reason why I was possibly wanting to get into a different Intrigue.
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It will not get the 4.2L six - it gets a 5.3L V8!
The name isn't great though, Rainier?
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My post was simply to say that legero8's problems are not indigenous to all Intrigues. He has had only 1 Intrigue that has been really bad. If he swears off GM for eternity, I can't say I blame him. However, one car does not indict every vehicle of that make.
If legero8's reasoning about the quality of the Intrigue is sustained, then my experience proves he just got a lemon or the car was in an accident before he purchased it, despite what his sources say. I have had 2 -- count 'em TWO -- Intrigues. One from "problem" year 1998 and a 2001. I have never had anywhere near the problems he's had on the 98 and the '01 has been outstanding.
I don't know what happened to create his problems. But Intrigue overall quality should not be called into question becuase of this guy's problems with his first and only (and might I add used) Intrigue. My first was a demo with 20K miles. I cranked it to 80K. The 2001 was brand new, 11 miles on the odometer. Over 20k now and has been flawless.
Read his posts. Read mine. I try to look at all vehicles objectively and point out the positives and negetives. I don't engage in wholesale bashing of any manufacturer although I will disassemble myths about them. I'm just telling our new owners/interested owners to use discernment when reading (justifiably) angry posts like legero8's.
What I did was leave the winshield wipers upright then take the spray tube out of the way. I don't believe the Intrigues that came with the air filter are any different than those that did not. There is one ancillary plastic fastener on the side of the plastic covering and I just popped it off and left it off because it's not necessary to hold the cover in place. There is a main plastic screw that you'll undo and then you'll be able to tip the plastic covering upwards toward the windshield to access the filter. The filter sits 1/4 the way in from the fender and in a horizontal position. Someone here had posted pictures of where the filter was (and how dirty his old one was) and it really helped me do it the first time. All this talk about it really makes me want to replace mine. The FRAM filter is part# CF8392 - COMPARTMENT AIR FILTER. I think I'll check at an auto parts place today for it. (I hope it'll be cheaper than the dealer which was $23).
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Oldsmobile customer service and also my dealer couldn't pull it up or find it. does anyone know what the TSB says needs to be done to remedy the problem?
thanks again.
Another note - I had them check out the grinding on the front right wheel. They had checked it out in January when the car was under warranty, and had supposedly fixed it. This time they told me my left front strut and strut bearing were bad, and they would fix it at no charge since it was under warranty when I originally brought it in. I got a free strut, but the grinding is still there. Oh well, at least it didn't cost me anything. I'm wondering if the grinding could be the steel belts on the tire, since they are bald. I ordered a set of Dunlop SP Sport A2's, which should be in next week.