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We took a short trip [about 130 miles] today and the van drives beautifully. This was the first opportunity I've had to spend a long time behind the wheel. We drove through a driving rainstorm for much of the trip and I was very impressed with the Toyota. We struggled on deciding between a couple of manufactures before settling on the Sienna and I am certain we made the right choice. This is everything I was looking for in a new car.
ssrieder - check out kjs5's deal. You can do it!
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You are right - it does not show the dirt as much as a darker color. We just traded in a Honda Accord that was a dark red color. It looked nice when it was clean, but when dirty you could see it a mile away and every scratch stood out. I'm looking forward to the white.
Congrats on the new ride, KJS5!
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I just got my Sienna yesterday and been playing around with the radio station selector on the steering wheel.
I can't believe when you press up and down on the buttons that it scans through the radio stations instead of going to the next preset.
That's the way it works on my Honda Accord. Any way to do this or am I stuck having the scan?
The point of having the feature on the steering wheel is so that you don't have to look down at the radio display. This way, I have to keep looking down to figure out where it's scanning to.
fvp - Your bargaining position seems to be that you were going after every penny the dealer could make on the car. That's great that you made it work for you! One question, did you trade a car?
The good thing about buying away from home was my wife got to spend a couple hours getting comfortable driving the new van without me in it telling her to watch out for every other car, pothole, stone, etc.
BTW, thanks Sean - we love it!
Enjoy your Sienna !!!
Steve
By the way, I didn't beat the guy up to the last penny - that was not my intention at all. I wanted to develop good long-term relations with the dealership, and that was accomplished. I think there was a few more dollars he could have come down, but I was satisfied overall.
The reason I approached the dealer the way I did was to eliminate the BS of going back and forth with endless negotiations. That, to me, leads to animosity and bad feelings. That didn't happen with me and, it seems, to you.
Enjoy and keep us updated!
No trade involved.
Did I overpaid?
This dealership also forced me to pay $1K for 3 years of Extended Warranty (Actual costs $ 550).
So beware of Bayside Toyota (NYC).
And you probably got more for your Windstar that you could have sold it for yourself.
Enjoy the new ride!
Steve, Host
This was from a dealer in Tysons Corner, VA. Seems that the dealers have some wiggle room to discount below the cashback AND advertised dealer discounts - no matter what the sales guy initially protests.
Basically, the MSRP was $28,283 and the initial offer was $5000 below this (incl $1500 cashback).
The figures get rubbery - since the Cashback amount applies AFTER sales taxes and fees/charges are applied. Also cashback is not offered with financing - not for this dealer anyway.
Anyway, reality is that there are dead keen to clear this model out before the new 2004 model arrives in 2 weeks time.
I had a trade - so that weakened my power somewhat - but still all up considered I got a fair trade (eventually). Mind you, it took 3 hours to get the trade price upped by $3000.
And beware - the MSRP is BEFORE Dealer Delivery and Processing Fees. These add over $800 to the price. So take care there. Not false advertising - they are just being "forgetful" shall we say.
And the guy who paid over $23,000 for a CE model - yes you got ripped it seems, unfortunately.
Congratulations and I'll tell you that after a week of driving the van, we love it.
Glad we chose Toyota.
Does anyone know if the LE (with EV package) is much cheaper?
Beginning to have 2004 envy (especially since the 04's are going to be about $1000 average cheaper) but the 04 just won't fit into our small garage (a absolute requirement by my wife)
The garage issue is very real though; my smallish Quest barely fits in our "standard" two car garage, but it's getting so there's very few "compact" van options left anymore.
Congrats on the new Sienna!
Steve, Host
After test driving the Sienna and Odyssey back to back the previous night we went with the Sienna. The Sienna was simply quieter (considerably less wind and road noise), seats were more comfortable, dash looked better, and stereo system was much better. The back seat on the Ody is a plus, but we can live without it for several thousand dollars less. Sienna is smaller, which is a plus when considering driving and manuevering the vehicle. Considered the '04 Sienna as well, but could not justify paying $5000 more for the upgrades (back seat, motor, etc.)
We went with a LE Sienna with Symphony package, tow, power pass door, side air bags, and running boards. Dealer also agreed to split cost of rear bumper guard (about $37). Paid $23,000 ($2250 below invoice or $5797 below MSRP). Also got the dealer to buy down an interest financing rate with Toyota Motor Corp to 2.9% for 48 months.
After 3 hours of test drive and haggling we came to an agreement, did the paper work and were out the door in another 2 hours or so(I live in Chesapeake, VA). They did charge us $465 in advertising fees which was a regional charge??? We did call another dealer in Richmond and Va Beach (Va Beach dealer also had similar advertising fees) and they could only offer $1000 off invoice plus financing (or additional $1500 off). Bottom line, they couldn't match it or beat it.
x10guy, your friend that got one for $21,888 got a killer deal!...but I did get the financing I wanted too.
Bottom line, I got it for about $23,500 before taxes, title/registration, and processing fees with 2.9% for 48 months.
Very happy customer! Oh, by the way, we love our Sienna!
There are still deals to be had on 03 Siennas... if you can still find the one you want. The 2004 is bigger and has some really nice features but the 2003 is a very good minivan in it's own right. (reliability, crash worthiness, functionality are all known qualities of the 03).
Good Luck,
Steve
Just passed 1000 miles and still love it.
p.s. I left you a message on the Future Models board.
Jimmy
I was hoping some of you could give me some suggestions.... I have never bought a new car before, and I am interested in getting a new sienna ce. I had wanted the side air bags and the traction control, but they told me I could not get it on a 2003 Ce. I am on a limited budget, I am hoping to get the car for under 20,000 with the options and my 1993 honda accord trade.... How much should I be paying, and is there much more room for bargaining for the 2003, as opposed to the 2004, and what is the best value? I live in PA, and it does not seem like most of the dealers here I spoke to were willing to make a huge deal, even for the 2003... Thanks!!!!
No one knows for sure what the pricing going to be on the 04s yet. But generally expect to pay about $3-4K more.
I am in the process of trading in the 1998 Sienna for a 2004, and am probably over paying. I am taking those few thousand dollars I saved on the Camry and putting it in the Sienna.
My friend went to test drive a new 04 Sienna LE with the basic option package (power sliding door, upgraded sound system, other minor stuff). The MSPP was around $25,500. He could have bought it right then, but he passed since he is looking for an XLE. The CE will be even less (probably around $23K)
Now that the 04's are out, I would definitely not pay anything over $20K for a basic 2003 CE or anything over $23K for a well equiped 2003 LE. These are just ball park figures. If you can't find a 2003 with all the features you want at the price you want, I suggest you get an 2004 CE.
Thank you for responding to me the other day... is this the same dealer that originally offered you 4% over invoice? Did you originally buy your other car there, so you got a repeat discount?
I spoke to the salesman yesterday who appreciates me sending business his way, but he did tell me that he agreed at that price only because I am a repeat customer. He also told me that he was willing to give a discount of $500-$700 to people who came to see him. This is actually a different salesperson than the name I gave you - they guy I dealt with originally is only in Used Cars. When I get home, I will send you an e-mail with the new salesman's name. If you called there, you already probably have it.
We picked the Silver Shadow, by the way.
Info on Fleet Dealerships or dealers in the Philly/KOP area that will negotiate under MSRP is welcomed! Thanks!
I love the new power - there is some hesitation at first, but supposedly, this goes away - I also have no idea of what type of fuel the dealer put in - I know they recommend Super.
The comfort level is amazing - I sat in the third row and was very comfortable, even sitting in between my girls in their car seats (albeit I am only 5'6"). There was no "bounce" like in the 1998 Sienna. There is also more room to walk around than in the older Sienna.
The biggest surprise about the Sienna?
1) The size of the "trunk" area - deep and wide - very spacious - a huge difference from the older Siennas. Here in New Jersey, you could fit two or three "former associates" in that area, Tony.
2) Even the XLE and Limited does not come "standard" with floor mats, or cargo net. How can you spend $31000 and not have them throw in a floor mat? Nor are mudflaps standard.
3) None of the models come with an ashtray - or lighter - this is a $50.00 "accessory". I don't smoke, so I don't care, but this was a first for me.
4) How easy it is to turn - I find it being almost too easy to turn, and I'm not used to the shortened turn radius - this will, of course, change in time. So far, I have not parked close to anyone yet.... Also, it makes me wonder how rollable it is - the turning radius is so sharp, won't it be easier to roll? Just wondering - I'm not about to try...
5) The sunshades are a little cheap. The sunshades that are built it will go before the car is a few years old. They don't seem sturdy at all - they will probably be expensive to replace. The girls like them a lot, though, as they do the windows that open (and we like that we can lock them closed)
We are in Boston area. The dealer quoted $26690 for this LE (8 seater) with P/W, P/L, CD, A/C and power sliding doors. There is no window sticker and it was the only one in the dealer. Is this the MSRP? We first hated it because we have enough problem with the power sliding doors on Odyssey. We found out the power sliding doors can be operated manual. I mean, you can have the car in "D" and still open the doors. We like the operation of the 3rd seat.
The dealer also showed us some production info. We first interested in CE (the website shows from $23K). But they told 47% of the Sienna production will be LEs. Only 5 to 10% for CE with some packages. Is this mean long wait and paying MSRP? We are in Boston, MA area.
The funniest thing is that Route 22 Toyota, who on Friday told me that they would not sell at less than MSRP, called me and offered a deal at less than MSRP, but I told them that they lost a sale when Daniella told me that they wouldn't even consider going under MSRP....
Remember - show interest and they will come down. If not now, then in a week or two or three ...., but pay what YOU want to pay.
You will not find an ODY for much under sticker. I have not talked to any of the Metro dealers since March 11 (the 04 Sienna release), however, until Toyota starts getting "volume" to their dealerships, you can expect to play the MSRP game... I have found a dealership in the Chicago that will sell an Ody for 2K under MSRP. I think, however, I will hold out for the Sienna - was at the auto show last night. Comfort for comfort, the Sienna is the hands down winner. Ody has maturity going for it (bugs out of the engine/transaxle) and Sienna might have to prove to me (for a few months anyway) that their new 3.3L V6 and 5 Speed Tranny will hold up. This, to me, simply means I have to buy an extended warranty...
Good Luck!
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One dealer also quoted $25926.00 which is $804 over MSRP. They said the price is included floor mats and AM Package. And what is AM Package? Any idea some dealers will sell this below MSRP?
I really appreaciate these discussion groups. Thanks!
Current TMV projections are pretty squirrely though since few sales numbers will have trickled in. The big question is whether the TMV will stay at MSRP or go down.
Steve, Host