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In '99 I paid $579 over invoice for my intrigue. This include the "advertising charge".
Last month i went and talked to the same dealer about ordering a '01 intrigue with PCS. My offer to them was invoice, and i would keep the rebate money and loyalty money. They looked at me like i was crazy.
There is a $500 spiff to the dealer and salesman. So my offer was $79 less than the deal in '99.
It makes you wonder how they stay in business.
I did buy an '01 Aurora 4.0 from another dealer in Ohio and had a great experience. No trade, no loyalty rebate, got the good financing 3.9/60 s. banks 9-10% and got the car for right around invoice. However, (if this is a "however") it was an "early" '01 model, mfg'd in June '00, before the On Star and rear center shoulder belt. It had 150 miles on it, so it was probably only driven on test drives. BronzeMist....still looks pretty good even when dirty. Smooth ride, quiet and comfortable cockpit-like cabin.
I've noticed, however, the acceleration / deceleration sometimes is a bit choppy.... doesn't seem to respond smoothly to changes in acceleration. Anyone else with '01 4.0 notice that?
Rich
I have yet to find a dealer that I've been able to establish a long term relationship with because of the lousy service most of them offer and their ( get your money today - forget you tomorrow ) attitudes to say nothing of the outrageous pricing for anything that is not covered under warranty. It's the one part of owning a nice new car that puts a damper on the experience.
I do, however, mourn the loss of the Olds brand. Great memories of cars owned and unrealizable dreams of cars I'll never have a chance to own now. Maybe a used Aurora will even be in my future after I tire of my present Bonneville. There will certainly be some great used car values in this product line over the next few years.
Ken
Since I now realize you are located somewhere around Toronto I understand why the stance..i live in the Detroit area 70% of the year and in Florida the balance of the time. I represent a Canadian manufacturer in the states and spent considerable time in the Pt Robinson/Thorold area.
I do the round trip in a day about 6 times a year and the other 6 trips spending a night in the St Catherine area.
Ken
Anyhow...I have a legit Aurora question to post to the group:
What causes the digital temp display to flash?
When I get back in my car (usually after a good rain), the inside/outside temperature flashes. After about 5 minutes, it stops. Never saw it do that before. I didn't see anything in the manual about it. Anyone know? It did it again this morning on my drive in to work. It just started to flash with no reason.
It is raining in So. Cal. A little humid, but thats about it...
Any ideas?
Henry
What's the best place to get a good feel for price. I think I only want standard equipment plus a moon roof. Looks like MSRP is at $30,469 and I'll have to find out what the Moon roof goes for.
An associate of mine had one of these a few years ago and had nothing but problems. Hopefully the bugs are out as it looks like a great car. Anything I should watch out for or add to the car?
I never went for red cars but am leaning toward the cherry. After that the ebony. Good California colors.
Thanks.
I do want to post a follow up to some of the responses though, so here goes.
etharmon- I think demand may really be exceeding supply in my area (NY suburbs) because these dealers don't seem to be ordering many vehicles! The dealer I had my unfortunate experience with is strictly an Olds dealer, too, so you wonder if they are just packing it in, but I heard a rumor that they might become a Buick dealer when all is said and done. The second dealer I mentioned is a Chevy/Olds dealer and they go heavy on the chevy! I checked them out about a week before and there was a 4.0 in the showroom, an Alero in the showroom, an Intrigue in the showroom and one in the lot, three '02 Bravadas in the lot and one Silhouette in the lot. The rest were Impalas and Malibus and Trailblazers and the dealer I spoke to seemed to be a little annoyed that I took him from his crossword puzzle. It was dead in there, and it was a Saturday! There is a third dealer relatively close by in the borough of Queens which is a Cadillac/Olds dealer, but I had given up and the Nissan dealer was literally down the street from Olds.
carbuyer66 - the three aforementioned dealers are IT around here as far as I know, unless I wanted to go to Jersey, and I prefer to do business closer to home, just in case (learned this from experience!)
dindak - I would have preferred the Aurora, too! Believe me, I drove home same day in a beautiful loaded Icelandic Pearl Maxima SE, which for many (including my wife) would be cause for celebration, but I was still fuming! I've grown to love the Max since then, but I still was mildly disappointed for awhile until I read that column in C&D. He called the two Auroras he drove "embarrassing". His word, not mine. Since then, I wonder if maybe the dealer did me a favor.
polapink - not trying to influence you but I'm 6'2
and the first time I got in the Max my right knee hit the corner where the dash meets the console when I stepped on the gas with the seat all the way back. I fit fine now by adjusting the tilt of the seat. Quite comfortable now.
Anyway, thanks again for the supportive responses, and even if I don't have much to say from here on out, I enjoy the group and I'll still be lurking!
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So to re-cap- moonroof, memory seats and maybe Bose if you really need fanastic sounds.~ A.R.
"BOSE". I had to copy the spelling from your posting. {:^)
(((Not a Swipe at you. A Swip at Boose))
Total sytem cost about $2,500.00.
Personally, unless there was substanial improvement ovr the Classic model, I would save the money and do as I suggested. Just investing in the Focal speakers will make a big difference.
There is suppose to be a module out that lets you keep using the steering wheel controls on an aftermarket radio. I was going to put the Pioneer head unit in my Classic. However, the silver brushed metal faceplate looked ackward against a black dash. Maybe when I invest in the wood dash kit I will look at it again.
Zinc ---- If you have the time to email me the jpeg of your car's dash that you posted on your page I would appreciate it. I can play around with how the Pioneer would look against a wood dash.
That being said, upon suggestion I had a Pioneer 4100H installed in my Intrigue GX. My friends are amazed that all I did was change the head unit. The clarity at high AND low volumes is unbelieveable especially since the speakers are low-end. I would imagine that the Aurora's speakers are a notch better. Of course, it's up to you what you do depending on how you like your music. But I would change the head unit/receiver first and see if you need to go further.
I have the standard radio, and I think it does a great job. The bass gets a little muddy if it is too low, or too loud, but the mid speakers and tweeters especially, are great. You can't go wrong with standard stereos on luxury cars these days. The other great feature, that edmunds really liked, is you can set bass/mid range/treble. Something that not alot of systems, even in higher end cars have. And the faceplate is great. Logical, large buttons. Olds did a really nice job with the whole centre stack~ A.R.
The dimensional sound system in my intrigue is one of the best if not the best stock sound system i have heard in any car.
The dash layout is very user friendly. The only thing I haven't gotten used to yet is the location of the wiper controls.
Have been thinking that with my loyalty cert and the national cash incentives, now might be the time to step up on the new Aurora and get the 5 year warranty to boot.
Bad idea. I am a lease customer. The only people who will give you a realistic lease deal on an Olds anymore is GMAC. The banks will not touch any Olds with less than a 25% or so residual. Too much uncertainty on the resale with the Olds retirement.
Anyway, the cash incentives do not apply to "Special GMAC financing"
Olds leases are now considered "Special Financing" at GMAC.
However, I drive 2 different cars. A 91 Mercury Capri convertible for around town and when I want open air (no roof on the Classic). My biggest problem is remembering where the horn and the wipers are when I swith cars.
I really want a dealer made convertible Eldorado (1993 to present) or the 1980's Toronado convertible. The Capri is a small 4 @ 100 hp. I can't even keep-up with a Toyota Echo in the Capri.
One day I had a mini-van dust me off in the Capri. I switched back to the Classic the next day.
Think new speakers (( I like the FOCAL)). However any new HIGH EFFICENCY speaker should help. Make sure the speakers are efficent, the factory head unit is not that powerfull.
Personally, I don't think there is a reason to change from the factory head unit. Although the Pioneer is nice.
Once again GM got over.
by Christopher Cross
delrick, I was under the assumption that the $1500 loyalty coupon was good with any other incentives. Sounds like your salesman doesn't want his $400 from GM too bad.
Henry, I've never seen an 80s Toronado convertible. The Riviera was availabe in convertible from 1982-1985 and the Eldorado 84&85. Both were rather limited in production and are fairly rare.
I bought a warranty direct service contract to extend my warranty
on my Aurora to 100k. I KNOW I will get my $$'s worth when the
transmission drops. (Eventually!)
The recently sent me an email stating that I can save $100 on a new warranty. They must have forgot that I already HAVE one! Anyhow...
If you are considering an xtended warranty, please use the $100.00 "coupon" shown below:
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$100 OFF - Purchase any qualifying Warranty Direct automobile plan between
3/12/01-4/6/01 and we'll take $100 off the quoted price. You can still
protect your vehicle at year 2000 prices. When you call, mention this email
and coupon code JUN4601.
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Just visit http://www.warrantydirect.com and get the service! You won't be sorry!
Van Man
(With the Still Blinking Temperature Indicator!)
Just a thought.
Henry
BMW 3.0L- 225 hp
Lexus- 215 hp
Infiniti- 227 hp
Cadillac better increase the displacement or learn how to extract more power. In the Catera, that engine takes 8.7 seconds to get to 60 mph. Granted, the Catera is heavy, tipping the scales at about 3800 lb., but still. I say dump the Catera engine, stick in a Shortstar, but increase the compression ratio and get some more power, and you'll have a great German inspired sedan~ A.R.