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I would still buy the TL over the Accord. I could have, now I have some regret.
I am still very happy with my Accord
I thought the 07 TL will be the refresh and the redesign will come out in 2008 with the 09 TL (about 1 year after the 8th-gen Accord's intro). I also read on another forum that the 07 TL may be introduced at the NY Auto Show in April. Of course, I'll believe it when I see it at the show.
I will be sharing this car w/ my wife a couple times a week and if there is no memory function in the Accord, is this going to drive us completely insane or take up valuable time and frustration in trying to get the seat set properly each time? The seats have 8 way adjustment and I can't imagine having to adjust this all the time.
When driving an MT, the seat adjustment for proper clutch takeup is really important, and on our other car, there was only two adjustments (Seat travel and seat back angle). Is it really not that big a deal for those of you that have the V6 EX Accords or it a pain in the neck?
I can't believe it has all come down to this in choosing between the cars, but this is a real issue right now.....PLEASE HELP!
Either car with a 6-speed is a great choice!
Double sixes,
MidCow
This feature alone is a tie breaker when the car is shared.
My wife and I share three cars Camry, Accord and a TL.
Guess which one is a breeze to adjust back the seat positions? THE ACURA-those memory seats are a plus when cars are been shared.
The worst is the Camry, its seats are manual-what a pain.
We share four cars:
Avalon with memory (her car).- easy to adjust wait for motors to whirl, no miror memeory.
IS300(son's car) adjust seat back-forth mirrors - Minor pain
Accord ( my road car)- wife drives occassionally - seat back forth minor
S2000 - (my sport car) -manual lever slide back easy adjust most fun to drive
Cheer,
MidCow
The ideal solution is to get your own car and not share
True True- but when you have a one car garage, you tend to drive the car that is easliy accessible.
Let's see you do that in a TL :P
Double sixes :shades: ,
MidCow
The scenario is- one is parked in the garage, the other angled in the driveway and the third is facing the street in the driveway.
PS- I am working on that two to three garage house.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I appreciate all the thoughtful and insightful comments from all of you on the seat issue and it mirrors my sentiments.
Regarding regularly scheduled maintenance, has anyone racked up enough miles yet to comment on major service prices for 30K and timing belt for the 03-06 Accord vs 04-06 TL? I drive about 33K miles/year and this will also play into the equation in making a decision.
I heard scare stories of $400 for the timing belt/waterpump replacement for the Accord vs about $800 for the TL....are you all finding out that prices for Acura service to be about twice that of owning an Accord?
Why is it angled? So you can fit the 3rd one in the driveway?
An Accord with Nav can be bought for $27k, while a TL with Nav can be bought for $33k. That's $6k difference.
Take Nav away from both and the price drops about $2k on both. Still $6k difference.
I'm not criticizing your decision. I think either car is a great choice. Just pointing out what I believe is an error.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I must say that as much as I prefer the TL over the Accord, I just don't know if the TL is worth the extra $6K. Don't get me wrong, the TL looks better and has features you just can't get on the Accord (memory seats, bluetooth phone connectivity, manual sportshift on automatic transmission, a better stereo, sports suspension & tires, etc. But IMO all of that for a whopping $6K seems a bit much since without all of those extras, the cars are almost identical.
For me, the difference is price is further widened by the fact that I'm looking to lease and Honda Financial uses a lower interest rate (i.e. money factor) on the Accord than it does on the TL (.00079 vs. .00235) And the Accord has a slightly higher residual value over the TL. This means that with everything being realtively the same, a loaded out Accord EX-V6 with nav, can be leased out for $100-$200 less per month than a TL without nav. I can buy a bluetooth kit to put into the Accord for the saving on one month's payment.
Now if Honda only offered those memory seats on the Accord EX-V6 as an ad-on option.....
The Accord is begging for a new look. New tailights don't cut it. C'mon Honda. You aced the Civic.
That's reason enough to go w/ the TL and the memory seats!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
....and speaking of sixes (coupe 6M in my garage).....
...that 6 grand Accord - Acura differential will easily:
- - - get me a whole house fan + a new water heater..
- - - a 400 square foot redwood deck,
plus all the Crown Royal I need for a long, long time!!
best, ez..
My present 91 Accord gets about 80K on a set of tires. The MXV4's run about $500 a set installed. I know it's a stretch, but I will assume the 06 6MT Accord's 50 series tires would last similarly to the 60 series on the 91.
The new TL gets about 20K on a set of tires (from what I have read here), and at about $125/tire, that's about $600 a set.
Looking back at my previous post of my 33K annual mileage, it would cost me over $900/year just in tire expenses going w/ the TL, vs about $200 going w/ the new Accord's 50 series tires.
Add to that the other services that Acura charges more for to own the TL over time, and you get an idea that it is quite a bit more than the original $6K difference in price to make this step-up to the TL.
...however, that TL does look good.....!
Any comments on the assumptions here?
I've also heard that $125 is on the low end of the price scale for TL tires.
Have you heard anything on the tire mileage that people are getting on their V6 Accords w/ the 50 series tires?
Sorry, I wasn't thinking too clearly on my last post. I realize that there are extra costs above the tire. Here's what went through my mind's eye: $500 for tires on my Accord...$125 a tire for my TL. My mind (i always liked math) did the math quickly in my head, and automatically I assumed "same price".
"Duh" on my part.
But you gotta pay to play.
You need to specifcy what model and what year of Accord you are talking about. I am running 50s, but then that is what came standard with my car (215/50-17). I have a 2005 6-speed Accord Coupe.
The Tirerack is very good about showing different wheel/tire size combinations. You typically go to a lower profile tire when you increase the wheel diameter.
Good Luck Double Sixes :shades: ,
MidCow
Midcow - I'm talking the same tire size as on your coupe, as my proposed new car would either be the 06 TL 6MT or the Accord Sedan 6MT. I'll check replacements on the Tire Rack in the respective sizes....how are your tires for wear, how many miles are on them now, and what brand & model came as OEM's?
I have a 2005 Black Accord EX V6 6-speed with NAV that has about 20K miles. I also have whell locks, spoiler, (remounted the roof rack to carry a Kayak), splash guards, Borla exhaust, Syvania Super Whites ( still toying with the idea of installing HID), and K&N air filter. Absolutely no problems, great power and great mileage on regular. On long trips ( without roof rack) going 75 mph I get around 30 mpg.
The OEM tires are Michelin (not sure which model I think Pilot will check later)and show very littel signs of wear if any. I would guess they would be good for at least 50K if not more. I am running about 36 PSI. THe OEM tires squeal and spin easily if you get on it in first or second. And front drive really accentuates the spin. Under normal driving they are great; maybe a little bit excessive tires noise. I din't realize the squaleing and traction problem until I got a S2000 a couple of months ago; outstanding traction even in the rain, but with softer ,stickier Bridgestone S02 tires and RWD.
If you really want good traction on a TL or 6sp Accord, you will probably need to replace the OEM tires.
Good Luck,
MidCow
P.S.- Both are great cars you can't go wrong with either, but you can fold down the seats in the Accord and carry pecan trees :P and as TheGraduate said there is a $6-8K differential initially plus lower gas and maintenace costs in the Accord. My total maintenace cost on the Accord for owning a little over a year is $24.95
The Accord EXV6 Navi is listed true cost to own at $40,815, or $0.54 per mile for 75,000 miles and 5 years (Assuming the True Market Value price of $27,786).
Here are a few of the big differences:
Initial Price Difference: The Non-Navi TL costs $5,265 more than the NAVI-equipped Accord
Maintenance costs: Accord--$3,271 ..... TL--$4,441
Fuel costs: Accord--$6,700 ..... TL--$7,516
Depreciation losses: $15,414 ..... TL--$17,658
Just a thought to those who are cross-shopping the two of these right now.
**NOTE: Make sure you notice that the Accord I listed HAS the NAVI, the TL listed here DOESN'T.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Your choice of the TL is great. Just for the heck of it go by a Honda dealer and drive a S2000. It will put a whole new perspective on your opinion of the TL's "smooth as butter with very short throws." Believe it or not the S2000 is even smoother and has even shorter shifts. Then when you install Rick's Voodoo Chrome shift knob it lowers the shifter almost another inch and the shifts are so so short in fluid liquid buttery smooth.
Enjoy your TL, let us know when you get it.
And TheGraduate is right the .2 additional liters increases the TL's torque over the Accord's.
I like 6-speed Hondas X two,
MidCow
How is the shifter in your EX compared to your S2000?
Also, any comments on the clutch take-up between the EX, S2000, and the TL?
These 6MT's are also my two choices....I wonder if the mechanical notchiness of the Accord's shifter is an aberration to that particular car or maybe out of adjustment, as I would assume the transmissions are identical between the two cars. The shift linkage may be different, but I haven't heard of any complaints on the coupe EX's. BTW, did you try driving another sedan 6MT as a comparison?
Hmmm....sounds like I need to get out there and test the darn thing, (too much research, not enough hands-on at this stage).
I liked the TL's 6MT, which I drove a couple of times last year, but the 04-05's didn't have the new torque suppression software to limit torque steer.
What did you think of that on the 06 TL that you drove? Could you tell any difference?