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Compact Pickup Comparison: Frontier, Ranger, Tacoma, S10, Dakota, B-Series, & Hombre
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But it's not just Toyota who've raised prices and lowered equipment offerings. The average price of a new vehicle was something like $14,000 earlier this decade, and now that figure is hovering around $20,000. The manufacturers are not to blame for this as they're just taking advantage of our insatiable hunger for more and more automobiles.
-The windshield wipers were caused by a defective turn signal stalk (I had mine replaced under warranty with an updated design produced by a different supplier).
-The dome light/door chime is caused by a sticking switch that is inside of the door latch mechanism. In most cases, a judicious application of WD-40 will cure it. In a few instances, the switch must be replaced. (I went the WD-40 route).
I'd recommend a '96 or newer Ranger with the 3L and the 5-speed. They mate well together.
Other than that, there's not really much to report. Just follow the general stuff when buying a used vehicle.
Good luck
-Colin
And second, with the ongoing resale debate...it seems to me that you almost never see a toyo truck for sale but tons of fords, chevy's etc... Wouldn't this push up the resale, this supply and demand? The toyo dealer here said used toyos are on the lot 3 days or less usu. Also, vince8 see my post under trucking magazines/truthfullness from 1/8. I too noticed bias, but not your kind.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Toyota stick something like 4.30s or 4.56s on their 4cyl Prerunners?
Acf2001, do you have a regular or ext. cab? Not that it matters any, but I was just wondering. My '98 5-speed was a regular cab and it was fun to drive, being light-weight and peppy.
The first gear is kinda short, and you shouldn't let it rev above 4000 for the first 1000 miles. You may have already done this a few times, but for engine break-in, try to refrain for the next couple hundred miles or so. Your engine's sweet spot is from 4000 RPM's and up in third gear. Next time you want to really go, drop into third gear at about 50-55 MPH and you'll really feel the power. Of course, wait until your engine is properly broken in first (1000 miles).
I have the extended cab. I have been good trying to keep the mph to 55 or less until broken in so truck is happy.
About the sweet spot, unless they've changed the gearing, which they probably haven't, you can stay in 2nd almost up to 60, so I would normally shift somewhere around 50-55, and I'd then be right in the powerband of the engine in third gear. If you race, you may be beat off the line, but once you get into 2nd and eventually 3rd, this is where you make up ground. Your truck's 0-60 time should be somewhere around 9.0 - 9.1 seconds, considering the extra weight. My truck, at 2560 lbs had a published time of 8.4 seconds. If I see a published figure for your truck, I'll let you know.
I know that Toyotas are great trucks - one of my brothers owns a '92 4X4 and my little brother works at the Tundra plant in Princeton, IN and is always touting the quality awards that the Tundras have received (however, he himself owns a '98 F-150 and is totally satisfied with it). My neighbor owns a 2000 Tundra and I have ridden in it a few times - it's a nice truck. But I still see no reason to pay so much more for a Toyota when my first Ranger was as good as it was. Unless my 2000 turns out to be a total piece of crap (which I honestly don't expect to be the case), I will stick with Ford.
Web! I made virtualy the same points bart did and you now say they are valid!!
Why don't you tell the Toyota person why his truck really is lacking in power?? The 4cyl Toyota just doesn't cut it, thats why. It has 150HP and 177ft/lbs of torque, now add this up to the weight of the truck, people, gear.... Doesn't take a rocket scientist.
Ford no longer puts 4cyl engines in 4whl drive trucks.. Neither does Chevy. You can knock GM now but by this time next year the new 2002 S-10 will be available. It will have a straight 6 that will give both Toyota and Ford a run back to the drawing board. There was a great article on this motor in a Truck Trend about 2 months ago. This engine puts out more torque then some V8 engines!
Resale, please, go to KBB and punch in numbers of LIKE Tacoma/Rangers, you can see for yourself the resale is not the huge wide gap that some Toyota owners want you to believe. I am getting tired of posting this over and over again.
anyway, vince i don't care about power, only how to drive correctly. Seriously, if i wanted an s2000, I could probably afford it somehow. I don't pretend (unlike you) that i have more than i actually have under the hood. It would be nice to have a V6, but after a Civic hatchback - this truck feels fast to me so leave me alone. Resale is regional. i am not a he either.
Maybe Ford's new 2.3L I4 will be an improvement. I'm skeptical, tho. I know that GM is introducing a whole new engine line-up soon. Dodge, well... They have trouble even making a decent 6cyl for their trucks (the 3.9 is a terrible engine by today's standards).
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If the 2.7L were a V-6 but produced the same power, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's all about status and what we feel adequate driving around with under our hoods.
Steve234, the Dodge 4.7L V-8 is a good engine, especially considering that Dodge designed it, with good low-speed torque, but how is 230 HP at 4800 RPM's and 295 lbs of torque at 3200 RPM's superior to the velvety-smooth 245 HP at 4800 RPM's and 315 lbs of torque at 3400 RPM's of the 4.7L Toyota engine?
Your engine is the 2.7L 4 cyl. which produces 150 HP and 177 lbs of torque. Your vehicle weight is 3470 lbs, your payload is 1634 lbs, and your towing limit is 3500 lbs. This is more than enough ability to handle the tasks which you mentioned.
I've never seen a published 0-60 time for your 4x4 with the 2.7L engine, but I'll look around and see if I can locate one. It should be somewhere around 10 seconds, considering it's power-to-weight ratio and the times of comparable vehicles like the Nissan Frontier.
anyway, the 'mystery tires' are 265/70R16 Bridgestone Firestone - went and checked just now. maybe the truck was ordered with 16" wheels as an option for someone and the deal fell through. OR, SOMEONE HAS BEEN TAMPERING WITH MY TRUCK! better not void my warranty. i'm calling toyota tomorrow.
Today went to lunch in a co-workers new F150 supercab. It has the offroad pkg, and tow pkg. We happened to park right next to a Tundra TRD supercab. With these trucks side by side there is a very noticible size difference. All three of us stopped and took a quick look around both trucks. Toyota should have never compared these to the REAL full size group... Big mistake...
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And you're always lamenting the fact that we don't include HP/Torque curve charts with our statistics. Since this is your argument, why don't you go do some work, locate the charts, and post your results here? How ridiculous and asinine (love that word) that you want us to help you prove your point (and no the former statement is not an admission that your point is correct or even valid).
Another pointer regarding tire pressure, make sure you check the tires when they are cold, meaning in the morning or anytime after your truck has been sitting for at least three hours. A "hot" tire, or one that has been driven on for more than one mile, will read 4-6 PSI higher, and if you set the tire pressure when they're hot, you'll end up with an underinflated tire, which will wear your tires extremely fast. If you do carry any heavy loads (800-1000 lbs or more), you'll need to add some air pressure in order to compensate for the extra load. Something like 30-32 lbs should do. But as long as it's just yourself and maybe some passengers, keep the tires at Toyota's recommended pressure.
Can somebody tell me why the Tacoma has such a worse side impact crash rating than any other compact truck??
Next, does anyone have any thoughts on the 2001 Mazada B4000?
very gutless with the 2.2L I4. S10 better looking too.
The new SOHC 4.0 puts the Ranger ontop over Chevy/Toyota/Nissan as far as the HP/Torque war goes.
Get a limited slip (something Toyota doesn't offer). Don't get pulled into the TRD garbage and pay the extra dollars to have a TRD sticker on the side of your truck. This comes with a locker that can only be used in 4low, a set of Bilstien shocks/springs, that Toyota calls a "tuned suspension". Granted, the locker is better for serious offroad use, but I highly doubt your going to take a 24K truck into those places a locker will get its full use. Tacoma is a good truck don't get me wrong, the Ranger/Mazda can do everything you want for less $$$..
I have been kind of lurking lately, but thought I would shout out to you guys, as I haven't talked to you in awhile, everything has been great, I had the best year ever in the car business, and it looks like this year will be even better, predictions are Nissan wil sell over a million units this year, new plant in Mississippi for the full size truck and the full size SUV and a new Nissan van.
Nissan is starting to pay salesmen bonuses again yippee! YOu guys really out to look at the new vehicles coming out soon, freshalloy.com has the details on the new Z car, new altima, new Alpha T full size truck concept, (looks terrible, I think this is just an exercise though, hopefully the real thing won't look like that) and get this, this fall a new sentra SE-R type V,
with a 180hp 4 cylinder, 4 wheel independant suspension, and a six speed manual!!! I am so glad to see nissan get back to the performance image that made them great, Vinny, I see you have been letting people get to you in the other topics, take it easy now, we don't want you to return to the dark side! Getting the new ranger anytime soon? CT, hope you had a good new year too, BTW, I really don't like this new format, topics seem to change position on the list all the time, and they aren't highlighted as a visited link when I come back like the old forum was, it was alot easier to find wher I had left off, other than that it is OK, also, no #'s by the topic list.
THat's all for now, keep it real and play nice,
Nissan is going to get agressive as all he.. in the next 5 years. They want Blood and can smell it from Toyota/Honda. I remember reading an article many years back when the Hardbody came out and an executive from Nissan basically said their objective was to rival Toyota.
No new Ranger here. Actually, the wife wants to dump the Ranger this summer. She made a very valid point, just not family friendly. I'm seriously looking at Mini-SUV's. On my list are the Escape, Xterra, Highlander and Suzuki Z7.. See I'm not as narrow minded as some may think. My cash goes to the best value..
Glad to hear the job's going well. I can't complain except that it's busy season which really cuts into my snowmobiling time.
That SE-R sounds really interesting. Any projections on price?
I hope Nissan goes a little more conservative with their styling in the full-sized stuff. It'd probably do better.