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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
As for Audi. We've had both and I'll stick with BMW when it comes to reliability and maintenance. With our BMWs everything gets fixed. With our Audi they refuse to fix anything under warranty always claiming the problems as normal wear and tear.
If my 2008 335xi is "repurchased" (actually the lease would be terminated early), I am considering a 2010 328xi, which I would have to order. There are no xi s in Los Angeles, although after recent heavy rains, the AWD is very comforting, and more rain is on the way. The comment by Romboggie refers to his 2009 328i, not a 2010. I wonder if BMW has cured the fuel problem R refers to in the newest model. Can't seem to get an answer except that the 328 clearly doesn't have a HPFP and twin turbo, so if the car limps in 2010, the undiagnosed problem hasn't been reported.
My understanding is that the 2010 3s were not introduced until about three months after the normal Sept.-Oct. rollout. I would like to stay with a reliable BMW, as I agree, the driving experience is superior. I will shelve the Audi idea for now. I would like a defintive answer to this series 3 fuel issue, however. Remember, a rep at N.A. told me that ALL of the 3s have a fuel delivery problem--that in response to my thought about getting out of the 2008 335xi, a flawed car, and into a new 2010 328xi lease. It's too early to have any data on the 2010s, I'm certain, so perhaps this question cannor be answered yet.
I'm going to check prices and MF on the 2010 tomorow to see what a scale-down to a 328xi, nicely equipped, would cost, leaaed..
Any input here is appreciated.
That sounds like a lot of crap to me. I have no problems with the battery discharging on any of my low annual miles vehicles. How often do you drive it?
This is a bit OT, but my local dealer has a CPO 128i stick. It's optioned out a bit weird- just Xenons, Comfort Access, and Premium Sound. If it also had SP and CWP it would already be in my garage...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
it could just be bad luck.
speedos are known to be engineered to show a reading higher than the actual speed.
but once in a while, they will crank out defective ones that actually show an accurate reading. and sounds like you got a few in a row.
here is a way to check: get the cruise control engaged, and take a gps with you. compare the speed readings on the gps with that on your speedo and you will know how accurate your speedo really is.
Here is a direct bolt-on replacement for $517.
You could also visit a muffler shop and they could weld in a universal replacement.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
roadburner: How many miles were on the 128i & what were they asking for it?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
17,700 miles
$26,950
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Also how much would it cost to replace the battery, and anything else to replace at the same time as battery?
You could top up the water in the older BMW batteries but they've been sealed for a few years now. About all you can do now is have the battery load tested. It may die slowly or overnight, it's hard to say.
Also how much would it cost to replace the battery, and anything else to replace at the same time as battery?
A BMW battery will cost over $200. I'd go with the Interstate MTP-H6, which costs @$165. Nothing else needs to be replaced.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
N.A. will wait for me to receive an ordered vehicle, taking eight weeks, and refund those lease payments made prior to delivery, as well as the annual registration coming up this week, which is about $ 500. I could then deliver the lemon to the dealer from which I am leasing the new Bimmer. Can’t ask for more reasonable treatment than that. My previous disgust with BMW for not acknowledging the x35 problems has been relieved by the courteous, flexible and expditious treatment. Still not certain about leasing a 328xi due to the high money factor, but if they lower it while it’s in transit from Germany, I get any dealer incentives and/or reduced money factors despite a locked rate at the time of order (terms of lease are not going to be worse, only better). That’s also very fair. Clearly, BMW is trying to recover hundreds of millions somehow, and they are apparently jacking the money factor to what amounts to an A.P.R. of 5.28%; a new Audi A4 money factor comes to 1.08% A.P.R.! Could lease a 3 series coupe for lower M.F. but I prefer a sedan for the convenience and passenger room.
I should post this to the lease forum, I think, but this HPFP problem appears here often, resulting in a repurchase, and customers like me always lease.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.eea1744/4358#MSG4358
God I miss that car! Actually wanted to lease another 335i but they didn't offer me good rates..so I bought a 2010 Mustang GT to hold me down in this shacky economy.
I'd be hard pressed to buy another BMW ever again, but if the next 3 series is as good as the 335i..or better, I'll probably lease that or buy a CPO 06 997 911S.
:shades:
Joseph
San Diego
I really hope your situation works out. For whatever it's worth, the BMW 335 is not a bad choice. My '07 335xi has been nothing but a dream (purchased August '07 new, now ~27,000 miles). With one exception of a worn right-front wheel bearing that was replaced under warranty with no issue, AND a free oil cooler (after I questioned why the 17" wheel version xi didn't arrive stock with the cooler but the 18" version did), I wouldn't hesitate, based on my experiences to either keep mine beyond the 4 years warranty. I would consider trading it in for another newer model, but better the (benevolent) devil you know than the devil you don't, right?
Curious: How high do you rev the engine? Manual or slush-box?
Good luck.
no need to be litigious, I believe you have legitimate concerns about safety as well as from a hassle and even performance point of view, it is your right under the law. :lemon: Lemon Laws to be specific, and your car qualifies for sure if you've had three replaced fuel pumps in such a short period! Check your state's exact qualifications..there are even phone numbers you can get online, where you can talk to a lawyer for free and get advice in seconds!
I'd recommend you to just call bmw and speak politely to customer relations. Tell them the deal, tell them you're not satisfied with the car due to safety concerns and want out of the car since your car is a lemon. You should get all your money back in full (minus usage miles accumulated up to the first reported instance of fuel pump failure). It really sounds like your car is Legally a lemon..and you have a right to return it..no questions asked or else you can sue (I believe). Hopefully, you won't need to go there.
For me, it was surprisingly easy. I had no clue about lemon laws. BMW actually called me. I filled out a questionare survey, after having a fuel pump replaced and I voiced my concerns about the car in writing. A customer relations representative from BMW called me a few days later!! To my shock, she proposed the buy back after offering several other options that I was not satisfied with. I learned why later on, only after some research..I did not realize that my car was technically on verge of being a lemon since I've already replaced 2 fuel pumps and the third was starting to go already after a couple weeks of replacement!!.
So, just call BMW, be polite, follow the rules (don't keep the X3 loaner or anything like that)..
Chances are, they will do right by you as they have to me..but who knows. Last words of advice and wisdom to you is that if they do decide to buy back your lease..enjoy the 335 now as much as you can because, I can tell you after learning the hard way..there is NO other car out there for the money that comes remotely close to what a 335 can offer. Lesser 3's and even the m3 lack low end torque. Unfortunately, I believe, even the 135 suffers from hpfp failures. Other cars lack in handling, steering feel, and precission, throttle response...you name it. The 335 is truely a beautifull machine. If only it did not suffer from this serious issue, I would have kept my beatiful manual 08 e90 335i with sports package. So enjoy your 335i while you still got her and good luck with your situation.
Joseph
San Diego
I actually drove aggressively this weekend, although in Los Angleles traffic. No way I would want to replace this car unless it were failing on me. I'll probably lease a non-twin turbo with no HPFP, like a 328, for which the consensus of reliabiilty is strong. I had two HPFP failures in 12 months and that was sufficient to gain a repurchase. There is a CA law in addition to the lemon law which is basically two strikes and you're out--I did the research. So BMW is obviously trying to avoid the catastrophic publicity which Toyota may not recover from for years. Curious how you avoided an accident when the car limped on the highway. In Los Angeles, this could be fatal. That was one of my strong arguments to get rid of it ASAP. But they have been very easy to deal with. I do not recommend invoking a legal argument or mentioning a lawyer; see how you progress; be objective and they will quickly examine your service record and probably come to the same conclusion. I will receive all of my lease payments back, minus a minor deduction for usage up to the initial HPFP failure. That means I will have driven the car for over two years at almost no cost. Fortunately, my failures were not rural, and the repairs were made in hours or one overnight, with free loaner and I was not marooned. But I love to ski, and have not driven this xi anywhere despite epic snowfalls in the Sierra recently.
Good luck
I have never had a problem with either vehicle refusing to start, even the one with the 7 year old battery in it.
So like I said earlier, sounds like your dealer is feeding you a lot of bull.
I personally, would not buy a 135,335, or 535(09 or earlier)..all of wich have the fuel pump problem and would have reservations of leasing them due to safety concerns you pointed out. It's a shame.
Just wondering, I've wondered why some people get the failure and others don't. Some believe it is fuel grade/quality. I'm not sure about this since I don't take note of which gas station I use, but always put in the required 91 octane or higher. Maybe it's driver style? I personally drive some-what aggressively; meaning I redline often to hear her scream. I also like to pull hard in lower gears while on a slope to feel her torque in action. I wonder if the pump fails for drivers like myself who drive hard and wont fail for less agressive drivers. How do you drive? It might just be random failures due to tolerance variation.
Anyway, good luck and keep the community posted on your progress.
Joseph
San Diego
They replaced the pump AGAIN and I drove her home this morning and put her in the garage NEVER TO BE DRIVEN BY ME AGAIN. My Dealer's SM assured me that he had contacted the BMW rep and I could expect a (most probably affirmative) response within 24 hours. Their plan is to "take me out of the car" (it's leased with 9 months to go). We haven't talked about replacement or $$....but I assume that they will do right by me (it's my 6th Beemer). If not- Pennsylvania law is VERY CLEAR on the subject and they (BMW) have already declared the car a lemon. I don't think they want to deal with this problem openly (as in court).
Stay tuned...I will keep the forum in the loop. P.S. thinking about the 328XI or, more probably an X3 since it has a little more guts than the 328.
I used to have Sears Auto Center change battery when I had an Acura, I don't know if that'll do for 330xi?
Thanks for any help and direction in this regard.
P.S. The decision makers at BMW will not talk directly with you regarding these issues. Apparently, and I quote Customer Relations: "they are not equippped for face time with customers". I kid you not. Customer Relations was akin to talking to a chair. They referred the issue back to my servicing dealer who is dealing with the "unnamed" guy at BMWNA. Two and a half weeks and counting. Tomorrow is supposed to be decision day...if no answer coming from BMW then we're off to the Lemon Lawyers. And, if Toyota thinks they have a public relations nightmare on their hands...wait until they muster the guard against BMW.
If that's the case, yeah, that could screw up your MAF sensor or throttle body.
You'd best check the trouble codes to see if in fact the error points to the MAF (Mass Air Flow) sensor. If it does, you've got nothing to lose by cleaning it with a "sensor safe" cleaner. A new MAF is expensive.
And throw that K&N filter away--it's just going to mess things up, and it does nothing substantial on its own, as a drop-in device, for performance or power.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
However I just cleared the code and it has not come back for more than a week and 1,000 miles. Does that mean it's fine now? I got that code after I refueled when it was pretty low on fuel. I thought it might have been a loose cap but probably wasn't.
I'll consider going back to the OEM filter and have the shop clean Mass Air Flow sensor if the SES light comes back again.
BMW engineers are smart people with sharp pencils and lots of degrees. They are hard to beat with a $29 gadget.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Now.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
3 series 2008 model.
Please advise.
Thank you,
But, it isn't likely that the extended maintenance will be worth it, at that price, no matter how much you drive... If the price was about $1500, then.. maybe...
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I found a 2007 328i with 23K on it for 24K @ 1.9 APR. I am wondering if this a good buy. Secondly I am concerned about maintenance costs on the vehicle (high/ low etc). I am on the fence with regards to making a decision due to the maintenance costs. Any feedback and or experiences you share will help. Thanks.
Worth every penny, in my opinion...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive