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Chicago weather and a little over 50K miles, which sounds about average from what I've read in this forum. I had also read the Consumer Reports
article about the Advanced Auto Silver 24-5, but was told that the GT uses a Battery Group Size 47, a size not reviewed in the CR article.
I ended up buying a Sears Diehard International for 99 bucks because I'd run out of
research time and had to get the car running. Has anyone been able to use a standard Group 24 replacement battery (without mods) ?
1) Sears Diehard International $99.99
2) Interstate Mega-tron $89.99
For $10 more I'm going for the Diehard as you did. Thanks for the info.
It makes perfect sense if you think about it: Hyundai is trying to improve their quality reputation, right? When is quality the worst? When a new model is introduced and all the bugs are being worked out. And if they are purposely spending an extra year on the new design to work out the kinks, maybe the new Elantra won't have the quality hit usually associated with new models. Heck, if it is really just a variant of the new Kia Spectra, they can let Kia take the quality hit while they protect the main Hyundai brand. (That would explain why the Spectra was all new as a 2004.5 model while the Elantra gets the redesign 2+ years later.)
I don't see a six year design cycle as a bad thing, necessarily. If they plan for mid-cycle updates (like the new grill the Elantra got in... 04, was it?), you can keep the design fresh a bit longer.
My car was made in July 2001, and it's a 2002 model, so your car is probably covered. A recall like this should have nothing to do with the number of miles on the car.
Thanks in advance.
Now, 2 months later, I wish I had the Elantra GT because it is the good looking, sporty car I had been looking for.
Does anyone have experience with both cars and can give me a pro vs. con between the models? I am actually thinking of trading in or selling independently to get something different. Thanks for the help.
I'm not trying to be critical, I just want to point this out because it will certainly cost you a few thousand dollars if you decide to trade in after a few months and you should be sure that switching to the Elantra is going to be worth a few thousand dollars to you compared to sticking with the Sonata. Furthermore if you do switch to the Elantra and it isn't what you think it's going to be, you'll be a few thousand dollars poorer and feeling the same way.
Even though I own an Elantra, I have my eye on a Sonata and wonder what it's like to own that car, which is just the opposite of you. So this could be a "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" situation.
I think that you are the same nice person who responded to my MPG question over on the Sonata site.
I am not sure if I would love the Elantra GT- that is why I asked for feedback from owners.
BTW- I think the Sonata is a great car- truly an acceptional value. It is very well equipped, super quiet, and extremely roomy on the inside. My only issue is that the steering wheel is too far away for my arms to be comfortable, no matter how I adjust the seat, unless I want my knees crammed into the dash.
This is a relatively small issue.
The sportiness is what I miss.
Before you decide, ask your dealer if you could take a GT on an extended test drive. Many dealers use Elantras as loaners--I got a GT 4-door this fall for a loaner. So maybe you could even rent one for a weekend. That will help you decide if you really like the GT enough to trade in the Sonata.
You might want to wait a few weeks to trade the Sonata for the Elantra, if you decide to go that route. Rebates on the Elantra are at their lowest point in years. They are bound to go up--not guaranteed, but with year-end coming and also the all-new Elantra out next year, I think rebates on the Elantra are bound to increase. So you might at least wait until the year-end. The other good news is that if there is an owner's loyalty rebate on the Elantra, you would qualify for it! And of course the extra good news is that since the Sonata costs more than the Elantra, you shouldn't have much cash out of pocket in a trade and maybe can walk out with a little cash, depending on the rebate situation.
Niels
One thing you might want to consider is that the Elantra is in its final year of the current generation and will be completely redesigned for the 2007 model year. Perhaps if you could wait a year you might be able to get more of the car you desire with more advanced features and technology as is found in your Sonata. Just a thought of another option you might want to consider.
But as for my experience with my Elantra GT . . . I enjoy it very much . . . so much that it has motivated me to stick around on the Edmunds message boards long after we purchased the car so that I can tell other people about what a good car the Elantra is and what a good company Hyundai is.
Finance-wise, though, you are bound to take a bath if you get rid of the Sonata now. The one knock against Hyundais is resale value. You are in the worst part of that dip right now. I think you need to learn to like your Sonata for a couple years at least.
I have decided to do exactly that- learn to love the Sonata. It is a very nice car- it has more standard features at the base model than the Accord or the Camry- beat both out in the consumer reports for the 06 models- and it drives beautifully. It really shines on the freeway- where it is the smoothest and quietest car I have ever driven. I will have to be careful not to get a ticket-it rides at 80MPH as if it were at 65...
I bought my base model Sonata for 15k. That is well under what I could have gotten one of the competitors for. Having said that- I have decided I don't want to give up any of that great value by trading in or selling the car.
For anyone else who is worried about the arm/steering wheel comfort issue- if you upgrade beyond the base model, it has a telescoping wheel and more adjustable seats. Maybe that would solve the problem!
Thanks for all the great feedback.
BTW, only the top-line LX has the telescopic wheel and power seat standard. The GLS has the power seat available as an option, but no telescopic wheel.
One thing bugged me though... when I bought the car 20 months ago, I noticed that there was no illumination in the shift console. I thought that was odd, even though the gear status is shown on the dash, so I asked in this discussion if anyone could verify whether there was supposed to be a lamp there. No one replied, and I kind of forgot about it until last summer, when I drove an Elantra GT loaner and noticed the shift console was illuminated! So I told the service writer about it and asked them to fix it under warranty. He said, "No, can't do that--it's over one year, and light bulbs are only covered for one year." I explained that it was this way since I bought the car, but no dice. Oh well. If I have some time on my hands, I might write a letter to Hyundai Customer Support with the sob story ("I own two Elantras, might buy another Hyundai in a few months, have this light bulb that never worked, do you think you could fix it for me" etc.).
multi-box? Are you referring to the center console?
Also, with respect to the center console lights: First of all, check to see if there is a separate fuse for that. (I bet not, but it's worth a look since it would be easy to fix.) Then, if you're adventurous, you may want to remove some of the trim around the shifter and check the bulb. Once in there, should be an easy fix. Who knows? It could turn out that the harness isn't there cuz they put the manual harness in that area, and then it WOULD be covered under warranty (missing component).
A whold other direction would be to do what I've heard other people have done: get a leather shift boot and put in over your auto shifter; after all, the gear indicator is in the dash anyway, right?
Good luck.
I suspect if the bulb in the shifter were controlled by a separate fuse, the service writer would have said "no problem, we'll look at it". I think he envisioned tearing apart the shifter housing. Which I don't want to get into--I am not that adventurous, especially now that high temperatures are in the teens. But the fuse thing is worth a look. As for a shifter boot, no thanks. If I buy any new parts my first priority is a short-throw shifter for my '01 GLS.
As for warranty, it should be covered under warranty, PERIOD. The thing has never worked. When I told them about the fact that there was no warning light or beep when the driver's seatbelt is unfastened on my '01 GLS, more than four years after buying the car, they didn't say, "Sorry, it's out of warranty." They checked it and fixed it. That too had been a problem since the car was new--it was just an unlatched connector, which I suspect happened when they did a pre-delivery recall on the side airbag wiring.
Last November ('04), my wife goes to the dealer for her state inspection. License plate bulb, and a side marker light are out. They replaced them there for her (she did pay), so the car would pass inspection. I made a note as to which ones were replaced.
3 weeks later, the same 2 bulbs go out again. I told her to run it by the dealer to have them check to see if something was fishy. She tells me they just replaced the bulbs (for free) and sent her on her way.
A month later, the same 2 bulbs, and a headlight go out. I had her take it back to the dealer, and this time asked her to put me on the phone with the service advisor once she got there. I asked him to check the electrical system, and the alternator (in case it was spikeing or something). He goes into a dissertation with me about how the bulbs they use are bottom of the barrel bulbs, but he had some "higher quality" ones that he would use (for free - including the headlight) and that there should be no problems with the electrical system. I told him that if he was sure that would solve the problem, than I would take his word, but it was becoming an annoyance to stop by there every couple of weeks for bulbs. My wife said she went to the waiting area, and sat there for a while this time. They then told her the car was ready, and the paperwork she was given only mentioned bulbs being replaced...no diagnostic work. Well it has been over a year now, and no other bulbs have gone out (knock on wood). Don't know if the bulb story was correct, or if they actually corrected something with the electrical system???
Back when I worked parts I found that most auto bulbs other than headlamps were actually rated for 13-15 volts. Especially dash bulbs which are a pain to change.
"Back a ways someone asked if the console gear selection indicator was illuminated. On an '05 GT, yes it is."
Thought that conversation seemed familiar!
i've had it a week so far. 23 MPG, but i hope this will improve as the engine breaks in. it doesn't handle as sharply as the mazda, but the ride quality is better. it feels more like a luxury car whereas the mazda felt more sporty. the one thing is matches the mazda in is that the steering is firm; i feel very weird in toyotas or american cars with their loose steering feel. my wife says that the hyundai feels more adult. the seats really are my favorite feature of the car; they feel a lot like a volvo or SAAB's seats. the cargo area is very spacious as is the car generally. i am a pretty small guy in both height and weight and it took me longer to find a good driving position than it did with the mazda. the auto trans shifts very smoothly and it does go into a higher gear more quickly than the mazda and so the RPMs are lower and it feels a little more sluggish though not enough to put me off (and not like the overpriced honda civic i test drove). the fit & finish is excellent and the material quality looks very good to me.
the elantra looks like a little SAAB and i like that. i've always admired SAABs (yes, i wear black turtlenecks and smoke a pipe), but don't have the $$$ for upkeep or the time for hanging out in repair shops.
everyone i've told about the car initially was skeptical and once they drove it they were extremely surprised at how far hyundai has come.
my wife is totally sold on hyundais and says when her honda civic is ready for replacement and we've got our master's degrees in hand, she's going for a hyundai.
in the interim, i had a kia optima rental, which i HATED despite it's excellent acceleration. i called it the kia lesabre.
in summary, i mourn for my lithe little mazda, but i celebrate my stealthly refined hyundai.
Read back through the Elantra discussions and you will find that with the addition of the 19mm rear stabilizer bar from a 2003 Tiburon in place of the 14.2mm stock bar your little Elantra will handle even better than the Protoge with the same good ride.
I did mine about three weeks ago and consider it one of the best mods I have ever done to a car. Major difference in handling.
Jim
It won't make it handle like a Mazda, but it will have a noticeably better road feel while still retaining the smooth ride.
If you decide to go for the upgraded sway bar, you need to tell the parts department at the dealer the following:
Quantity required- 1: 55511-2C000 BAR-RR STA (rear stabilizer bar for 03 Tiburon GT- must have a GREEN MARK)
Quantity required- 2: 55513-2C110 BUSH-STABI (rear stabilizer bar bushings for 03 Tiburon GT)
Note that Hyundai denotes the sway bar diameter with either a green (19 mm) or yellow (18 mm) splotch of paint about halfway down the bar. I ordered the part number for the 19 mm bar above, but it had the yellow mark and was only 18 mm. Once I realized the mistake I took it back to the dealer and they ordered the new part. Just to be safe, they ordered both part numbers (for the 18 and 19 mm bars), and the second time, BOTH had green marks. The warehouse is not very careful about this.
If you want to buy the end links, you can get them at the dealer if you want, but you can get them for less at auto parts stores; ask for TRW part number 18343 and/or Moog part number K90360 (quantity required- 2). In both cases, the parts are actually made by Moog. I paid less than $25 for a pair.
Changing out the bar takes about an hour and only requires common tools (socket & crescent wrenches, jack stands, and, to do it up right, a torque wrench). If you don't bother with the end links, it only takes about 15 minutes to put the new bar on, provided you can slide under the car without jacking it up.
If you have any questions, email me about it.
P.S. My DW often refers to Pintos as "Ford Firebirds". Now I know there is another Ford that warrants that moniker. Glad you and your grandson were not hurt. This same thing happened to me when I was 4 and my Dad's Ford, a pretty new one, caught fire with my entire family in it. That was the only Ford he ever bought. I don't wonder why.
Congrats on the new wheels!
jim
If so, you got a pretty rare (and imho sweet) interior- it's kind of the non-GT sport interior. I got that with my red GLS.
I think "somebody" is going to be given a very strong talk at that dealer when they return from the Holiday break. The passenger side front window was about 3/4 of the way down - and we've had quite a bit of rain. It's amazing what you see at some car dealers - windows down, cars unlocked, etc. I guess they don't do much double-checking before they close the doors and go home.