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- Thats right, I forgot that the Explorer and Durango message boards have NO problems listed at all... please leave troll.
Because I just love to watch that Ford emblem get smaller and smaller in my rear view mirror.
Thanks for the putco url. I hadn't heard of them before. Their prices are indeed lower probably by not going through the middle man. I had seen the non-logo cut out version on an Envoy last summer and I thought it looked good at that time. But as you said, its a matter of personal preference. I am still a long way from a firm grille purchase. I'll probably concentrate on the front and rear protection first.
I knew about the Waag accessories. I have my eye on the rear bumper guard and black rear tail light brush-guards. For front grille and bumper protection, my personal taste says to go with a solution that is visually low-impact, smallish, and black. My Envoy is Polo Green and appears almost black under low-light conditions so I think it'll end up looking pretty cool. I would have bought Black but was afraid it would be hard to keep clean but Polo Green shows all the dirt anyway.
Chris
What will a different axle ratio do the the vehicle? I know it allows a higher towing capability, but will it make a difference in gaz mileage, engine noise, ride, etc? Anyone with a Trailblazer with 4.10 axle ratio?
My daughter went out to clean the snow off my envoy and warm it up. She was outside for 15 minutes. She walked in the back door and I asked her if the key were still in it. She said yes so I went out the door, in less than 30 second. As I was walking down the steps, I saw someone in it and thought it was my son moving it so he could snowplow my spot. I opened the passenger door and was getting in to tell him I was leaving, not to worry about moving it. I have a very large and long driveway. I was half way in the car when the rear tires started spinning on the ice. I then realized it wasn't my son. With the tires smoking on the concrete I was drug half in half out of the suv to the end of our driveway over 80 feet, when the car hit the street the back end spun around and I rolled out the suv. I pulled myself up screaming to my daughter to call 911.
I called Onstar, and they told me that they couldn't tell me or the police where the car was because I hadn't paid the bill, but I have the cancelled check. They made me give them my credit card to tell the police where it was. They will be getting a call tomorrow for the way they treated me. I didn't have the time to argue it today.
The police were able to chase the envoy down, but it did a 360 and hit several cars in the process. The carjacker must not have known about the four wheel drive. The police took me to it to identify the carjacker and the envoy. They wouldn't let me near it, the closest I could get was about 150 feet away. The back bumper it ripped off and and the front end was up against another car. I didn't get to see the other side.
They then took me to the station where I identified the kid in a lineup. Because I identified him, he confessed and is locked up for robbery and assault and other things, I lost count.
Then I let them take me to the hospital. I have a bad back sprain, alot of pulled mussles. They gave me alot of drugs, so if there is spelling mistakes, I sorry, but I feel a little like I'm drunk right now. I'm still to hyper to go to sleep.
The kid was hiding behind the neighbor's pine trees. This all happened in a matter of seconds.
The police were impressed with the way onstar helped them locate the suv. But Onstar wasted atleast 20 minutes fighting over the bill.
Sorry this was so long, but I really needed to vent.
Debbie
I'm glad you weren't too seriously injured and that got the guy!
tidester, host
I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in there.
Sorry, I have to disagree. I've owned an Oldsmobile for 3 1/2 years that has given me peace of mind. My wife had a Saturn for 6 1/2 years that never broke down. How is that for peace of mind?
Chris good choice in color my Envoy is Polo Green as well. I plan on getting the WAAG Frontrunner and Manik tail light and rear bumber guards in black.
The Polo Green is tough to keep clean especially with all the salt on the ground this winter here in NY. I am still amazed at how many compliments I get from strangers about how good the truck looks when its all clean.
P.S. My brother has a saturn with 40000 miles on it, well he has to fork over 400$ right now to fix some crap. I told him not to buy a domestic.
Frank
I did not proof read my message but oviously you haven't either. 5 grade, what is that.
If you look at consumer reports, you realize what I have said hold true to facts. If you look at the first page of this forum, you'll see recalls upon recalls based messages. How sad.
Yep, and their problems will most likely cost more to fix.
Yes, part # 12497618 is listed as the Envoy/Envoy XL part but I have not checked with the dealer to confirm, yet. I don't know if it would fit a TB that's probably a dealer question if the gm accessory site isn't helpful.
Chris
Interesting that we both have green. I have to say that most of the '02 Triplet colors are easy on the eyes. I probably spent more time narrowing down my choice of colors than any other vehicle I've purchased.
I like the accessory combination you're talking about. Maybe I'll reconsider the low front bumper guards like you are getting. They will certainly provide protection in parking situations and still allow that good looking grille and front assembly to be shown off.
Keep us all posted. I will do the same.
I am from Wisconsin. We have lots of salt here too. But we have had hardly any snow here in extreme southeast WI this winter. As a result, I've been keeping the truck nice and clean throughout most of the winter.
Chris
Lots of us haven't had any problems with our vehicles and if you stay connected with this discussion group long enough you'll see people come and go with good and bad stories to tell. Mine is good and I am not alone. But, I would recommend buying the extended warranty, I did it for peace of mind and many folks here have done the same. I have friends with Chryslers and Fords who have had to have their transmissions replaced just after the standard warranty ran out and oh boy were they ticked. I should be covered for this or any other thing that comes along for a long time.
I have an '02 Envoy XL SLT with the 3.42 axle. Supposedly it's better on gas but has less torque--I probably won't ever tow a thing but I could if I wanted to.
My Envoy is the most satisfying vehicle that I've ever owned. Good luck and happy motoring whatever you decide to purchase. Lots of good vehicles to chose from but I like the triplets the best.
Chris
I would think that being more "police friendly" even if the current bill is in question would only benifit OnStar.
But I am not very good at corporate politics and policys.
oh yeah, and it's still snowing!
We haven't had 2 feet of snow *total* here in Kansas City, the last three years combined!!! I'm about ready to take a drive north or even south, just to find some powder to go playing in. :-(
I did the cruise control test for the vibration noise that 'ficuss' suggested. On the hwy I was going about 60 mph and I turned cruise control on. The humming-vibration noise continued even though my foot was no longer on the accelerator. So what does that mean?
-Engine RPM's
-Springs
-Wheel alignment
-Driveshaft
It seems to only occur at certain speeds and tends to vary with temperature. There's not much left to point the finger at except aerodynamic related vibration.
The last two days the back roads have been empty except for 4 wheelers. Fun,Fun,Fun!
We have 28 inches and I have been exclusively searching for and driving on unplowed roads. Me and the new TB haven't been stuck yet! Knock on wood.
Mind you, I learned to drive in the snow and I'm very cautious with any type of wet/icy driving.
I actually only went about 2 miles down the road and then came back home and drove my '01 STS (Stabilitrak) to the office. It handled just fine.
Again, there was just one snow the whole time I had the vehicle so it wasn't a major deal but I was thinking "What is with this vehicle, It can't even drive well in 2 inches of snow?"
Frank
I live in NJ as well (26 inches here) and can happily report that I've had no trouble getting around!
I was also slightly disappointed by the initial fishtailing. That's because the Bravada uses AWD and it uses the rear wheels only until they start to slip. Because of the delay, the rear may kick out before the front tires take hold.
Overall, the Bravada's system works very well. It has standard locking rear differential for added RWD traction, and when the front wheels kick in it goes very well.
It's a compromise, some systems use all four wheels all the time, but they also wear additional components. The Bravada saves fuel and components by working in RWD until the rear tires spin.
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Doug
One of my main show stopper was getting rid of my Grand Am early. This dealer tells me two new things: (1) GM would pay the last two payments if you buy or lease a new vehicle and (2) GM lets the vehicle go at a "dealer price" to the dealer if you return the vehicle early and the dealer is willing to buy it. This supposedly all happen only if you have 6 payments left. Anyone asare of this? What I don't get is why the other 2 dealers never mentionned it!!!
In any case, this is an almost done deal. My last decision is now the color. My familly is split between the Light Pewter Metallic, Sandalwood, dark Grey, or Black. At least, this is a fun decision to make. If anyone had pictures of the TB in these colours, I would appreciate it.
I have to wait until end of May to get it. Just on time for camping season in Canada.
I am now praying that I don't get the vibrating TB... Hope the find a fix for this problem.
Richard
By the way we have had snow up to my eyeballs here in upstate New York and my Envoy handles like a dream. My only complaint is that it did not come equipped with a limited slip differential. It is a 300 dollar option that all the other manufacturers throw in for free like Jeep for example. Let me tell you this, I had an old Blazer with limited slip and it was awesome. It could climb the sides of trees. My next SUV will have it because I be ordering it. The AWD drive is nice, I use it under certain conditions. I love the feeling where im ready to fish tale and, poof, the front wheels kick in smoothly and stops it. Using awd isn't that bad on gas by Envoy standards either.
I will keep the board posted regarding my vibrating gas pedal saga and my stormy relationship with my dealer if this isn't fixed. Anyone else who gets it resolved please be kind and post.
Does $600 Canadian dollars equal $6000 American? I hope so. Don't they have rebates up there, eh?
I will see an other dealer this weekend and see if he can bring this down any.
The salesman was awesome though. He give me answers in minutes over the internet. I like good service and fast response. So I will check around and see if I can get better. But for close to the same price, I will buy from this guy.
I don't think pricing works the same in Canada as in the US. Generally speaking, prices here are much better to compensate for a very high tax rate. I don't think the dealers have as much to play with.
Eliot, please explain the point system??? I never heard of it before. Pls translate into $.
Rich
Jeff
Stoughton, WI
After checking out the vehicle when the lot was closed (I'd already test driven a new Bravada months before), I phoned an offer to the dealer. I offered invoice less the GM rebate. They provisionally accepted pending our resolving some differences on the invoice price. They produced the right paper to substantiate their version of the invoice price (less than $200 different than my calculations) and I bought the truck for $3,400 under MSRP plus taxes and minus the $1,500 rebate.
I didn't qualify for any loyalty discounts or GM employee/server discounts, so I didn't have those chips to play. They gave in so easily, I think I probably could have made a lower offer and still pulled off the deal.
Note that I was dealing w/ Oldsmobile and I targeted a dealer w/ location problems for selling plus-$30K vehicles. I nixed the dealerships in the upscale areas and those with the biggest name in town. GMC dealers are less inclined to deal, but I think you can work Chevy for a decent deal.
Remember to start at or below invoice and let them try to push that up. Don't start at MSRP and try to work them down. Bottom line, $600 Canadian under MSRP isn't a deal, even w/ mats and nets and other goodies. Shop around. Look when they are closed and deal via phone or internet first. Once you are there, they know you love the vehicle and won't leave w/o it. Good luck!
You're practically in my next door neighbor up there in Stoughton.
Thanks for your experiences with Putco. I am just about to take their price list into my dealer because the grille I requested is in and they want me to come and look at it to see if its what I like. I was planning on negotiating with them using the Putco price list. I'll keep everyone posted about what transpires.
Chris..in Kenosha..
Any advice?