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Use the neat little trick my wife and I use, duct tape. The little buggers will never get their wrists loose after they have them wrapped in that. Duct tape also works great at keeping them quiet over a DVD any day of the week. Then give them ice cream after the 3000th mile has been passed on your vacation to make up for it.
Hope this helps
Thanks,
Elevatorguy
Actually, there is virtually no free hydrogen in the atmosphere! :-)
tidester, host
I haven't gotten (average) more than 22 mpg on my PT Cruiser GT yet, and I don't drive like Mario Andretti.
Your TB gets better mileage than my small DCC car-based, 2.4 turbo engined, 3000 lb PT Cruiser. Disgusting.
So much for the theory about all SUVs being wasteful and if we buy a smaller vehicle, we'll get better mileage, huh?
You HAVE to do better in city stop-and-go traffic.
Your Welcome Mark, GM has no date they can give as to when they will be available. If you can't wait go to your dealers parts Dept. and ask them to do a dealer search, there are a few dealers that have them in stock. At this point you can ask them for the list of dealers and call them yourself and see if they will ship to you or you can see if your dealer can open whats called a SPAC case in which GM contacts those dealers with stock to see if they'll sell them back to GM and ship them to your dealer.
Hope that helps
"my 2 cents on the extended warranty debate... by cparise1 Jun 02, 2003 (8:17 pm)
For my '02 Envoy I bought the GM Major Guard for 100K miles just for the peace of mind. A huge deciding factor was the trust I have established with my dealer. They aren't perfect but they are willing to listen to reason when I've complained about repairs. For instance, when my wife's '98 Pontiac Transport needed a new wiring harness just after the warranty ran out, I complained and I only paid for a new battery, the old battery croaked on the wiring harness short.
I figure if the dealer or GM has that much good faith in the relationship after the warranty is out, then the GM Protection Plan must be decent. So far, I haven't had to use the protection plan. If I never do it will be worth the cost just in peace of mind.
'02 Envoy XL SLT now has over 20K miles on it and I still love it.
Happy Motoring,
Chris "
I have an Envoy XL with the I6 engine. It's got ample power to get the vehicle moving. If you aren't going to be towing I would opt for the I6 over the V8, especially since you'll get better gas mileage. In mixed driving I average about 17 mpg, and on road trips I get about 22 mpg. I also have the 3.73 rear end, which will get you off the line a little quicker than the standard 3.42. So go for the XL with the I6 and the 3.73 gears and you will be happy. (And you'll save about $1500 too)
Just wanted to add that to get GM employee pricing on Major Guard you have until 11 months or 11K miles, I believe.
My A/C quit cooling on me near the beginning of a 12 hour road trip a few months ago. Talk about an uncomfortable trip. The dealer replaced a low pressure regulator valve I think, and I haven't had an A/C problem since.
MSRP w/dest = 36,875
Paid 33,644
- 3,000 rebate
- 750 military rebate
- 500 Memorial Day rebate
- 500 Conquest rebate (for Honda)
- 1000 in lieu of 5/60
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= 27,894
Jay
1SC Preferred group 3 Package (all the important goodies)
WOL Tires
CD-Cassette (not necessarily my choice)
Locking Differential, 3.42 gears
27,645 List
-2,645 Dealer discount
-3,245 GM MasterCard rebate
-2,002 "2002 in 2002" rebate
19,753 TOTAL+TTL
HECK of a deal! I ain't complainin' !
Do you have any specific info as to when the bonus cashrebate began or ended? I may be entitled to another $500 here and will try to get it if I am. All info will eb greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Todd
Onyx Black
Running Boards
Head lamp Washers
Sunroof
3.73 Axle
Polished Aluminum Wheels
6 Disc Bose
Sticker including Destination charge $40,305.00
Invoice including Destination and advertising $36,828.00
Paid $37,549.00 which includes:
Danali Grill @ $260.00
Dealer markup @ $272.00
Doc fee @ $189.00
Sorry.. I was absent for about a week on this board.
1) As far as what the GMPP did not cover on my aunt's Trailblazer, I will be happy to post the list of items that I requested service on, however, I cannot do it until tomorrow (I am currently out of town without access to my home pc).
2) Extended Warranty vs. Aftermarket: Well.. after careful consideration, I finally did ended up purchasing another GMPP. I was two seconds shy of purchasing a 1Source Auto Warranty or Warranty Gold contract last week then I "accidentally" stumbled across an article someone had written that changed my mind dramatically!
In a nut shell, this article discussed a guy who was suing one of the above because they wanted to replace the transmission in his newer Honda Oddessey van with a third party remanufactured transmission because the OEM transmission had cost much more than they were willing to pay. THAT was a breaking point for me... at least I do know that if GMPP does cover a failing part, they will use OEM GM parts (whether new or remanufactured) and that makes a big difference to me!
I really did not want my vehicle to have non-gm parts installed should something fail. So.. with that being said, I ended up going over to a local dealer (since my original contract on my 2003 Envoy SLT XL had already been processed and could not be changed.. dealerships move fast! I've only had the vehicle for a week!!) and purchasing the GMPP cash at the General Motors employee Price. I was quite surprised because I had the exact same coverage on my 2002 GMC Envoy SLT and it was for the 5yr/75,000K with $0 deductible and road hazard.. all for $1,290! The new 2003 Envoy SLT XL-V8 with the exact same coverage cost $1,510!! What a price increase! Oh well.. that's that.. Now I am just dealing with the pestery e-mails from the two third party warranty companies stating, "The offer has been extended.. call now for our new promotions!"
3) Bonus Cash: Here's a funny story! My sales rep called me late last week and had mentioned that they made a mistake on the additional $1750 dealer cash discount that I had received on my Envoy off of the GMS pricing? Apparently, the $1750 incentive applied only to their county (in Ohio) and a few select Michigan counties.
Since I was not a resident of their county, I should not have received the $1750 extra? If transacted correctly, I should have only received GMS discount and the extra $250 bonus cash! She kindly suggested that I consider titling the vehicle in Michigan (since I have family there) but I told her NO. However, I did tell her that since she's a resident of that county in Ohio, she could title it at her address and after everything was processed, we could switch back over to Columbus.. Ha,ha. Needless to say, the dealership ate the $1750 and I did not have to change any paperwork. Oh well.. they should have done their math ahead of time!
4) 6 or 8 Cylinder: Honestly, I have the pleasure of driving them all right now; I have my aunts 2002 Trailblazer LTZ that I am attempting to sell (3.42 rear axle), my roomate has the exact/identical 2002 Envoy that I got rid of except for color.. it has the 4.10 axle, then there's mine.. 2003 SLT XL V-8 with the 3.73 axle. YES.. our neighbors have been scratching their heads trying to figure out WHY there are so many SUV's in our yard that are all pretty much the same? Either that or wondering if we are involved in a drug cartel or something.. Ha, ha.. Just kidding
There is a BIG difference between the two. Whenever I drive the shorties (reg models), they appear to be much more "buzzier" than the V-8. The performance is good but the higher RPM revving can drive you nuts at times.. especially since I am accustomed to the V-8 now. The V-8 model in the XL moves along with very LITTLE gas pedal effort at all. I am constantly surprised at how well it moves and works in conjunction with the transmission. It's a much more "relaxed" engine so to speak? Merging on to the freeways do not require much effort or downshifting (if any) at all. I'm not a tech person either, but that's the best way to describe it.
Now that I have over 500 miles on the odometer, I had the chance to PUNCH the accelerator and I was QUITE surprised. You can very easily BURN rubber from a stop that's for sure. Even given the extra weight of the XL's and having the AC running, the vehicle performs quite well, plus the V-8 rumble sounds so good! Kinda makes the vehicle feel more SUV'ish, but maybe that's because my past SUV's have been V-8's??
If I had a choice to do it all over again, I would definitely choose the V-8 over the V-6.. I like having the abundance of power sitting on tap just waiting to be released! Also, the mpg is not bad either! Now I don't know about you all, but I can imagine that the Buick Ranier will kick some major BOOTY with the V-8 engine and less weight!!
5) MPG: I've been averaging about 17 mpg on the DIC with a good mix of city/highway driving thus far. When I first picked up the XL last week, I drove it approximately 170 miles home and I average 19.9 and 20 mpg the entire trip. The 25.5 gallon fuel tank is VERY handy. I don't have to fill up with fuel until approximately 400 miles!
The DIC's on the shorties are constantly showing between 15 - 17 mpg in the city, and about 19-20 on the freeway? I was quite surprised myself, since I had initially thought that the V-8 would consume more gasoline.
6) Steering Question?? For those who have XL's or 2003 models, I quickly noticed that my 2003 has a shorter ratio steering setup than the 2002's did? Initially, I hated my 2002 Envoy's "Auto Bus" type steering... you had to turn it quite a bit before reaching the lock position. Turning the steering wheel from side to side took about 3 revolutions of the steering wheel to complete. On my 2003 XL, the revolutions have been shortened to only 2.5? Is that a feature only used on the XL models or was it something new GM changed for 2003 across the board? Just curious..
Sorry for the long post guys/gals!
Thanks!
IExplore2000
0-60 a good half second quicker than a V-8 extended. Just because it feels quicker, doesn't mean it is. No doubt the V-8 has more low end torque, but my Envoy really pulls once it's moving. I would think hard about the V-8 in an extended model, but the I-6 is plenty good for the shorties (not that we have a choice until the Buick arrives). I can also say that my 2003 is light years ahead of my old 2002 in terms of throttle response and transmission operation.
GAM
Every vehicle I've ever driven does that.
If you feel the dipping is excessive, by all means, make a service appointment and have them check the shocks and springs, as well as the brakes.
We can talk about generalities here on line, but you're feeling and seeing the real world thing and it's your own gut you need to satisfy. I don't mess around when it comes to safety issues - get it checked out.
If cars used salt water for fuel, groups would be throwing themselfs in the OCEAN! to prevent grid lock, no one will ever win!
Hydrogen fuel cells are about 45% efficient, compared to 30-35% for an I/C engine. Getting the hydrogen is a different story. It will be very expensive until new technology is found. You will see stationary and portable fuel cell generators
(using reformed natural gas) on the market long before mainsteam vehicle applications. Check back in 10 years though........
GAM
Hmmm, I had a Mercedes...didn't get a "conquest" rebate...just 2 weeks ago...is this a mfg deal? and is it too late for me to inquire about it??
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re: 11563 of 11575 Bonus cash???? by elevatorguy Jun 05, 2003 (5:12 am)
Eric N or anyone that knows,
Do you have any specific info as to when the bonus cashrebate began or ended? I may be entitled to another $500 here and will try to get it if I am. All info will eb greatly appreciated.
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I live in Illinois down near St Lous and the $500 conquest cash was for driver's of other model cars. I just had to show my current registration of my Honda (which I sold after purchasing the Bravada). Guys -- I think you get this conquest OR $500 for taking the 24 hour test drive as my rebate was listed as conquest/test drive. The $500 Memorial day rebate came up the week before Memorial day and was good for deliveries through 2 June. Applied to Bravada and I am not sure what all other GM models.
My extra $750 military discount is self explanatory. Just want to say thanks to all the businesses out there giving military specials. Going to Disneyworld this fall, they are giving me free 5 day pass and I get $99 5 day passes for each of my family members. Also able to get significantly discounted resort stay.
thanks,
Jay
Frank
Now you get it! Hydrogen gas is so light that its buoyancy and molecular speed take it very far over your head and, in fact, right out into space!
Nevertheless, there is a LOT of hydrogen all around us locked up in water and rock above, on and below the Earth's surface. This makes hydrogen a natural resource. Separating it from its molecular bonds is the part most people overlook in discussing hydrogen fuel technology - there is an upfront energy cost to accomplish that and it isn't cheap.
tidester, host
In my paperwork, there is a sheet that lists the incentives and the GM Incentive Code:
consumer cash $3,000 cne
bonus cash $ 500 bfa
gm card rebate $ 502.09 udc
Well.. honestly, I think that mine would whip the crap outta the 6 cylinder in the XL model line (SMILE), but you could be correct.. maybe it just "feels" faster. The I6 in the shorties is adequate though, but I thought that it was a little "over worked" in the extended models, at least the one that I test drove? Especially for the lead footers!
I lifted this bit from an aritcle in Motor Trend's Road Test Archive (online) of the 2003 Envoy SLT XL V8 and V6:
"Available in 2WD and 4WD, the Envoy XL tips the scale at about 300 lb heavier than the Envoy, so the V-8 doesn't feel much quicker than the six. Put a load on the hitch, though, and the V-8's low-end grunt is appreciated--so is the Corvette-like exhaust note."
Check out the full report at MT's website under Road Tests -- SUV's, 2003 Envoy SLT XL. It doesn't give much, but I appreciate what they had to say. SAME APPLIES TO Edmunds too.. Excellent sources for information! :-)
Thanks!
IExplore2000
Frank
First Drive: 2004 Buick Rainier
Steve, Host
Thanks,
Todd
Thanks!
That's the "XUV" another variation on the long wheelbase platform - just in case you need to haul a refidgerator.
There is a supercharger available for the 5.3, but you'd have to do some suspension modifications or else you'd be making a deathtrap.
I'd rather just have a normal SUV and a fast car to deal with those times when I need to regress. Whoops, already got that.
Cadillac: Escalade EXT $1000
Chevrolet: Malibu, Trailblazer, Trailblazer EXT
$500.
Olsmobile: Grand Am, Grand Prix $500
GMC: Envoy, Envoy XL $500
Memorial Day Bonus Cash expired on 6/2/03.