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If you don't mind my asking, what was the temperature there? How warm does it get in summer where you are? We're thinking of doing the Inner Passage cruise sometime in the next couple summers, unless there's a better way of doing that same trip...
and yes, to keep on topic, wonderful how that huge cooler fit in the back of the MPV
best, and edging slowly toward being able to live with midnight blue,
Carolyn
Plus you'll have a van at the northern terminus and you can hop over the 800 miles to Anchorage to have a cuppa with Java.
Steve, Host
Rich, fish stories always grow. By next week, I'm sure there will be an additional 20lbs added <w>
I'm definitely bookmarking that site. Thanks so much.
This is my first post. My local dealer has a 2000 MPV ES with 27,396 miles, with a sale price of $10,900. The price is good, ext./int. condition is very clean and miles are low. Althoguh, I have not driven it yet.
We want to make it a sibling of Honda Odyssey in our garage and replace the current car/Geo Prizm (Not big enough for day care trips and hassle to keep kids toys in the trunk).
My one concern is the 2.5 liter, V6 and 4 speed combo. How slow or underpowered this is? and what are other issues with 2000 MPV like smell etc. posted earlier on this board.
Thanks a lot.
The only problem I've had with my 00 MPV is I've gotten my past two speeding tickets in the darn thing. One of them climbing and then cresting Mont Eagle (IIRC) north of Chatanooga, TN. Of course I was going over 100MPH with a car full of family, luggage and a car top carrier. Fortunately for me, once I proved once again to myself that the 2000 MPV was not underpowered by my uphill triple digit sprint, I slowed to 80.
Sadly for me, the limit was like 55, so I had to pay the man.
The tranny does seem to get confused from time to time, but usually that is when I am accellerating hard and then suddenly have to brake. There is a harsh upshift on those rare occassions.
I've recently posted my used oil analysis for both my 00 MPV and my 94 Geo Prizm and both seem normal, neither vehicle gets babied either. They do get good quality fluids, however.
http://tlcc2000.dyndns.org/Oil_Analysis/2000-MPV-Oil-Analysis-200- 3-07-28.jpg
http://tlcc2000.dyndns.org/Oil_Analysis/1994-Prizm-Oil-Analysis-2- 003-07-28.jpg
TB
I read that MPV 2000's 2.5L is made by Ford. Is this a reliable engine? How is your experience with your MPV as far as reliablility ? Any recalls? The high repair $s for 5 MPH hits are a concern.
Thanks a lot agian.
Designed by Porsche for Ford using the Cosworth casting process, it's a pretty decent engine.
The waterpump is the weak link, and probably shoudl be changed pro-actively at 50K miles. It has a plastic impeller, and it may come apart or simply seperate from the metal shaft.
Napa makes a pump with a metal impeller and I've replaced the pump on my SVT Contour with the NAPA pump.
I believe a few vehicles were affected by some fuel rail and/or fuel pressure regulator problems. But at the dealer you can check to see that all recalls for the vehicle have been addressed.
TB
Thanks in advance,
-brianV
Supposedly Ford respec'ed the plastic for the impeller, but it is still plastic.
TB
Mark.
One of my projects this weekend was to change the oil for the first time (1000 miles - I'm old school). I took that opportunity to examine the engine compartment and find all the major components.
Obviously, I wasn't able to see if the water pump has a plastic impeller though...!
-brianV
It's on the back side of the oilpan, 15mm wrench. You probably can't fit a socket and ratchet back there.
TB
And, lol... right were you left it...
here are the all new items.....hood design, headlights,front renders, front and rear bumpers, grill, side sill extensions, alloy wheel designs, side markers, fog lights(ES), seat upholstery/trim, steering wheel, spring assist 3rd row, front pass side central locking door lock switch, illuminated front door switches, front and second row head rests, driver seat lumbar, pwr sliding doors(ES) 6 disc changer std on ES, dual passenger weight sensor airbags, front door storage pockets wth bottle holders, sirius radio ready head unit, chrome door handles(ES), rear disc brakes.
items dropped....privacy glass(LX), side moldings(LX),floor mats(LX)
LX Plus package.....priv glass, mats,moldings,windshiels sun shade, fog lights.
All sport pkg.....no longer includes fog lights or GFX
deleted colors... pure white, emerald mica, midnight blue, coastal blue, sand mica, sage.
new colors.....rally white, whitewater pearl, tsunami blue, nordic gree, cosmic sand, razor blue and titanium gray.
This should keep everyone talking for a while.
Still with those changes, it's not worth me waiting for a 2004 if I'm shopping a 2003 right now.
Looks like they've addressed a few of the 'wants' list for many.
-Brian
hth,
-brianV
-Brian
Mark.
hmmmm...
-brianV
Seriously though, awd needs to be on the plate for the MPV. Now that the Sienna has it, Honda is planning it, Dodge (ack!) has had it for eons. Well, maybe (small criticism...) since Mazda is always trailing a certain company... it'll come out a couple of years after *that* company makes the move to awd. BE A LEADER, MAZDA!!!
I would *so* love it around here in OR--we were going for the Forester XT before we saw the back seat (or lack thereof)...maybe we can start a write-in campaign...
And I'm thinking--if we were to get an MPV this year so we'd have a van and not have to wait another year, would it be entirely stupid to get it and then trade it for the hybrid Sienna in a year or so? (opinions of the sienna excluded, please) -- I mean, if we get it for around 25 we won't lose *that* much on it, right? The hybrid aspect is so appealing to me that I might put up with toyota dealerships (I was gonna write you this javadoc--I'm so with you on that one--although avoid Beaverton Toyota, I've heard) to get one for the mpg. I don't like the cruise-ship aspect of it atlall, though.
The rear disc brakes are a WELCOME addition--anyone have a WAG on how much *would* it be to retrofit them? Would it be worth, then, waiting for the 2004s? I personally would like them very much. The Quest has them, I believe.
btw, I think rear disks may be overkill, esp. on a FWD minivan. The fronts are doing what, 90% of the work?
Steve, Host
Now if Mazda offered awd for a couple/three grand...
I agree w/Steve (omg, did I just type that? lol). IMHO, rear disks are really just gravy, but when I have to change brake pads/shoes... I hate changing rear drum shoes.
Personally, Ajacat, the I haven't heard much of anything about the hybrid, but I'm not too interested in that option, although the mpg statements are mighty nice. I think you'd be taking on a huge pile of depreciation if you bought this year and then sold next year to get a hybrid... or any other vehicle for that matter.
You know the deal on your MPV is killer though. I found one that still fits my specs... I wont' say where so that it doesn't get snatched from under my nose. I'll have to decide after testing the cruise-ship, ahem, Toyota. I already sent one Toyota/Lexus salesperson running for the hills...
Steve, I uh, will probably be in your neighborhood in the next week or so...
If you load the van full of passengers (a reasonable scenario for a mini-van), you're going to see something near 50/50, since all of the passengers sit behind the front wheels, and 2 rows sit behind the mid-point of the wheelbase. Or, in our case, if you hang a 200# tongue weight on the rear, you're going to move the weight distribution back too.
EBFD helps, and the stock drums seem up to the task (good test results, anyway), but I'd rather see disks in the back for the improved cooling and easier maintenance. Besides, it fits better with the "Soul of a sport car, body of a mini-van" bit. How many sport cars are built today with rear drums?
Rear disks are one of the few things we really miss on our '03.
-brianV
So for me, it's a matter of economics. Rear drums work fine on my minivan, and have saved me money.
Java, did you edit your message? I missed the part about you escaping to the sunny climes yesterday. The walls are going up on the Krispy Kreme, but I'm afraid it still won't be open in time :-)
Steve, Host
I suppose it'd be nice if you were towing. I'm a guy that likes peformance, but really, I don't think you'll even notice any difference w/rear disks on an '04 MPV.
No Steve, I didn't edit it (out). I'll be down there on some family matters... the short-notice type of trip. Take a whip to those construction workers at the KK site for me! Taking Kaladi orders...
And I have to keep my lady customers happy 8^)
Content: should I take the MPV, turbocharged SVT, or go for fuel economy and take the Geo?
TB
<this is me not making the comment I want to make about your last post...>
How was the HMS Sienna?
Depreciation? Well, after 4yrs, I figure my MPV is worth about $9k less than when I bought it, but $13k less than original MSRP.
thanks
mazda guy
I don't believe there is a fixed pattern for when they start discounting them, it really depends on the market demand. IIRC, the '03's got discounted early on, and there's been a rebate for quite some time now.
-Brian
On the other hand, a bunch of 2002s have suddenly cropped up, some with low mileage...we just may go with that, if we can find an ES w/power door.
Subtle reflection of "I'm up to my butt in muddy water decisions..."?
)
BTW - what did you think of the dashboard shifter? If they made it long enough they could compete with the MPV possibly.
(But they still look a heck of a lot better, ha!)
-brianV
It's got 13K miles on it...but it would only have 1 year of the warranty left. A new one would have 4 years (because the 2002s only had 3 years).
What would you do? Money isn't so guaranteed right now, so the 2300 would be nice, but is that being penny-wise and pound foolish? Or is a program car a *must*-avoid?
any thoughts would be appreciated...
elsie the Libra who can't make up her freakin' mind!
-Brian
Brian, thanks for your reply. I had your very thought re the extended warranty--he said to get the equivalent warranty would be over 1K...the thing is that it's about 3 hrs. drive from us, and haggling isn't what I want to do, but I am so tempted by the price...
Re buying used: we've *always* bought used before, usually 3 y.o., but single owner trades or leases, not programs. Programs I see as one step above rentals, which would be out of the question for us because I know how we --ahem--drive rentals...
best
elsie
probably going to lose sleep over this tonight
I'm really Carolyn, just so no one gets confused
MPV
New headlights and combination light design
New hood and front fender design
New front and rear bumper design
New front grille design
New side sill extensions
New 16" allow wheel design
New 17" alloy wheel design
Add side marker lights
[non-permissible content removed] standard fog lights
You can always delete your own posts at any time too (and sometimes a host will do a bit of housekeeping <g>).
Steve, Host