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WichitaGreg
Unger928 (post 3111). I have also had computer failure in my Bravada...in fact it is currently on its 3rd computer! My car, three times, has gone completely dead. The first time it wouldn't start or turnover. The second time it stopped while I was sitting at a traffic light and the third time it stopped when I was driving down the street at 40 mph!
Each time the car would finally start to turn over (after 5 min or so), then after about 10-15 it would start. I wouldn't delay about taking it in if you are experiencing this problem! One more time and I will be invoking my state's Lemon Law. I have lost all confidence in taking this vehicle on a trip too far from home!
cwhawk (post 3112) regarding your inability to keep your odometer readings from showing up. I too had this problem and finally realized that if one scroll's through the DIC readings that include odometer, trip odometer and timer to a blank screen, when you re-start the car the readings will appear again. I have found that if you then scroll into the fuel economy readings-then to a blank screen, they stay off completely when the vehicle is re-started. Try it and see what you think.
Has anyone found a solution to the locking front passenger seat belts? It is going to drive my husband crazy!
First of all a car IS NOT AN INVESTMENT!!!! Would you seriously "Invest" in something that you knew would drop in value?????
Second, NONE of us who purchased the '02 should have any concern about "value". We all know that ANY first year model of ANY GM car is going to be, essentially, worthless over time.
Third, I've had my Indigo Bravada since May 9, 2002 and, although I've had other problems, I don't have the paint problem.
Fourth, Why would you sue over such an item? Do you have information that GM knew about this problem prior to production?
All in all, I'm sickened by the whining. Yes, I'm sure those of you who have the problem hate it but give me a break! Go out and get a gasket and put it on!!!!!
Surprise! A non-Paint Problem post from me.
(LOUD SQUEAL), can move mirror casing and noise goes away, put back to normal position and noise returns. ANY HELP would be appreciated!!!!!
Has anyone tried this?
http://www.uhltronics.com/
Thanks for the heads up, Vplaza... might rethink my plans now!
They should look into fixing their site if that's true...
FROM UHLTRONICS WEBSITE FAQ:
Q: I have OnStar, but it’s not in a Saab. Can I use the Triad?
A: Contact your Saab dealer immediately and work on a trade! But seriously, yes you can use the Triad to add a Nokia hands-free phone to your audio system. You will have the same volume control features for your hands-free phone as you have with your OnStar system.
Presently the Triad1 does not work with your the GMC Envoy. We have been working towards a solution for the operation of the Nokia and Motorola cellphones with the digital control communication that is functioning in your GMC product. The target date for beta testing of the Triad2 is in April or sooner.
You are correct, that the hands free carkit for your cellphone would need to be purchased. This is also true for the Saab vehicles (GMC product), in which the Triad1 Interface works successfully.
Thanks for your interest in our product
The paint problem on the liftgate should be addressed by GM. Does it look bad? That's in the eye of the beholder...on dark colors it's very pronounced. As time goes on we'll find that the primer will be scratched away and then the metal on the liftgate will corrode. Then what? Perhaps mfullmer won't own his SUV 2-3 years down the road, but I'll still have mine and then I'll have to deal with the corrosion or explain to a prospective buyer why there is rust on the tailgate.
We shouldn't have to jury rig our vehicles that are less than 1 year old with a gasket. Also, I can predict this one....if you put a gasket on the tailgate, then GM will say you modified the car and caused the problem with the paint, thus voiding any warranty or rights you had. I've been there, done that.
It seems GM is still on path of focusing on today's profits, rather than customer satisfaction/loyalty.
When and if mfullmer gets the paint problem I'd be curious to see if his tune changes.
Okay, here's the latest and greatest, to those who care. Those who don't, please skip...
Just for kicks, I filled out a BBBOnline Auto complaint form yesterday, pretty much saying what I've been saying on this board.
Amazingly enough, I get a call from the GM Business Resource Group today! Man, that travels quick. I guess this is the group in GM that handles Better Business Bureau complaints. The person on the other end had the emails that I had been trading with the GM Customer Relations group.
He told me this. He had called the dealer to ask them to fax him the invoices for the work done to my car so far. He called the GM Rep (not sure what for). And he wanted me to fax him my vehicle's registration, purchase contract, and a copy of a coupon from my payment book for my credit union (which financed the car).
He is out of the office until Monday, so hopefully, by Monday next week, we'll have a resolution. Though I'm not really holding my breath.
I suggest others with a similar view about this paint problem browse over to the BBB website and file a complaint. You might just get some action. Maybe they take BBB complaints more seriously than Customer Service complaints?
http://www.bbb.org/bbbcomplaints/Welcome.asp
And those who don't care....who cares if you don't care. I don't.
Oh, the Envoy isn't listed. But I think if you put the VIN and make sure you describe it properly in the problem, it should work.
I finally figured and actually found the Envoy, I wanted. Here comes the hard part, the price. My deal is as follows, SLT, 1SF Pkg, 6CD chgr w/- Bose sys, Running Boards and Sunroof.
Now I've done my homework on Edmund's and other sites. The dealer is selling me the car for $32750 [including rebates] plus NYC tax.
I haven't even begun to "negotiate" price, I just showed him my order from CarsDirect.com, and he beat it by $300..
Is the price I'm paying okay? ..
TIA
Confused,
Dheeraj
I drove it slowly to the dealer (about 18 miles). At the end of that trip, there was a peculiar smell, presumably hot transmission fluid.
Apparently, all that needed to be done was a software upgrade. There was a service bulletin, and the work performed was: "Updated system with calibration #1257338 for transmission incorrect downshift." I was reassured that this is not likely to recur.
I wonder if others have experienced the same problem and if so, did it come back after a visit to the service department? Also, does anyone have a guess if I could have caused any damage to the transmission when running it in low gear and hot for about 18 miles?
Thanks
I bought the car in Manhattan. I can hook you up with my salesman -- he was very straightforward and easy to deal with.
Also, keep in mind that you pay tax on the price BEFORE rebates, not after. In NYC, that adds about $170 in taxes.
It's a great place to go, as they recently expanded their offerings to include GMC in addition to Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac. I don't think there are many other places where you can buy an Envoy or a TB.
His number is 212-708-3156. Tell him David Lichtman referred you. He won't give me anything for the referral, but I'll feel better about getting such a good price from him (OK, I don't really feel bad about that at all!).
Good luck.
Part Number - 12568078
Description - Valve 0.296
My Trail Blazer got so bad that I went from my house to the Chevy Dealer which is 42 miles away on a half of tank of gas.
Hambone - it is people like you that make consumer issues so important. Speaking as an accountant - Automobiles ARE NOT investments, they are expenses. There is a difference. An "investment is a product or service an entity acquires for the purpose of a positive return" (Taken from the "The Tax Accountants Dictionary"). It's not that I am not concerned about the paint problem - it is a problem that needs to be addresssed by GM. I was just pointing out some serious flaws in your thinking. There is more to life than "filing lawsuits". If one expects to WIN a lawsuit, they have to prove their case. The fact is, while it may not be what you want, GM is offering to paint the tailgates. What that is showing is that they are acting in "good-faith" to remedy a problem that they did not forsee.
Also see more about the GMC Envoy Max:
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/editorial/article.jsp?id=47332&%20viewtype=text
and Envoy PetPro
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/editorial/article.jsp?id=47338
I mentioned that even though the GMC dealership's service department had repainted my tailgate TWICE, they are currently arguing with GM to get reimbursed for the work. Why? Because GM told them that they SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THE WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT SEE IT AS A PROBLEM. Sorry, but I don't see the "good faith" in that. The dealership is out the money they spent to repaint the tailgate because THEY wanted to make me happy, NOT GM. The official GM position that I was given was that the paint scrape was "allowable" and "if" a solution were to be put out, it would not be available for at least a year.
Maybe you know something that we don't about how GM is dealing with this, but I've already spoken to the Service Director at the dealership, emailed the GM Customer Relationship Manager many times, and have been told what the GM Representative feels about the issue and none of this has led me to believe that they are even working on a solution.
A. Notify your dealer about the problem (have a work ticket entered for it). Do this first.
B. Call the the GM Advisor line at 800-222-1020.
Tell them you are not happy etc
C. Keep bugging them for a fix.
This needs a real fix and only GM can do this. Please note that this is a cosmetic issue and I am note sure how long it would be covered under warranty, but things like that used to be only covered for 1 year. I don't know if this is still valid.
I do agree that this can lower the value of the vehicle, but by the time I get rid of it that will be the least of my concerns. I get more damage in parking lots. I also agree that a most vehicles are not investments, but they shouldn't make one that has defects, know or otherwise. This does affect the depreciation and ultimately the value. I have a blue TB and I get a fine powder that is very noticeable. I'd like to get it fixed, but don't want the tailgate repainted. If they reissued the part just a fraction smaller the problem would go away. I also think this board is to provide info and not attack one another. Keep your bitches, thoughts and suggestions coming for whatever the reason. It makes great reading :-)
I use a Webster's dictionary for defining words that I use not an Accountant's dictionary. Anyway, it's just semantics.
It would be nice if we had a concerted effort to resolve the paint issue...
Personally, I worked hard for the money I spent on my TB. Chipping paint is not acceptable...to me.
A part # would be appreciated. Thanks!
I just purchased a new Indigo Blue Bravada about two weeks ago. It now has about 800 miles on it. I am very pleased with the overall value, and how quiet and refined it seems.
Anyway, does GM have an accessories book for consumers that would list the bike rack, running boards, mud flaps, floor mats, etc.? I've followed some of the earlier links, and they all seem to refer to 2001 models.
If anybody has installed factory accessories, please let me know how much you like them and what it cost. I'd be especially interested in hearing from other Bravada owners.
Just curious, do people pay more for oil changes since it holds 7 quarts?
Some other comments, If anyone is having excess wind noise, please follow the instructions in the owners manual supplement pages. It tells you to move the luggage rack brackets. The rear one all the way to the back. The second one over top of the rear door opening when not in use. It works great.
GM does have a 2002 accessories book for Bravada consumers. It just came out I think, so it will be hard to find. For GM accessories the best prices seem to be at www.gmpartsdirect.com versus the dealers. Here's a short list of items for the Bravada. There is a lot more than this list though. Side note, most of the accessories I'm listing are tailored towards a Pewter Bravada with Pewter interior. Let me know what color interior you got and I'll post specific items for your color.
12497747 Pewter Front vinyl floor mats $32.90
12497716 Pewter rear vinyl floor mats $25.20
12497762 All 4 Doors VENTVISOR $50.40
12497616 Front End Cover/Bug Deflector$35.00
12497680 clear anodized Side Steps$300.30
12497681 black anodized Side Steps$300.30
12497610 Front Splash Guards Bravada Logo $20.30
12497611 Rear Splash Guards Bravada Logo $15.40
Additionally http://www.ventshade.com has some bug deflectors for the Bravada that come in matching paint colors.
Part No: 25257-11 Description: Bugflector II; Stone & Bug Deflector; Light Pewter
Also, http://www.macneil.com/main.asp have some ventvisors called WeatherFlectors that fit into the window channel instead of sticking to your paint job with 3M tape.
TrailBlazer/Envoy/Bravada WeatherFlectors
Set: Front & Rear Set
Part No: 72278 Price $79.95 Shipping $9.00
For Brush Guards and Tail light guards see Manik Motors Inc. at http://www.manik.com the SP at the end of the item numbers designates Stainless Steel, for black omit the SP.
168250SP 2002 Oldsmobile Bravada 2/4 TBA Front Bar 1-Piece
168259SP 2002 Oldsmobile Bravada 2/4 RT2 Taillight Guards 3/4" Tube Style
This is what I've found so far, and it took me a little while to find it all. If you've got any questions let me know.
Thanks for the accessory listing. I also would like to hear if anyone has installed any of these accessories and how they like them.
For the Black Envoy owner---> Helicoil is a thread maker tool. I learned about this a few years ago when I stripped a spark plug hole.
It sounds like the shop stripped the drain plug. Then, fixed it using a Helicoil plug. When you do this some metal shavings can occur, that's why they flushed it. If they did it right it should be as good as new. At least they didn't try to hide the mistake. Aluminum can be real easy to strip.
I think a quick lube place would have tried to hide it.
I masked the indention (seam) with tape and filled in the indention with clear silicon caulk. After curing and removing the tape, the appearance is the same because it looks like there is an indention, but it is filled in and smooth. The whistle disappeared. Try this and let other know if it works.
Has anyone found a part number for the front seat inner support bracket covers? My dealer tell me there is no such part, but I saw them in another TB.
Aluminum can either be tapped or have a helicoil installed. A helicoil is nothing more than a steel spring-like insert that is installed into a larger drilled and tapped hole. Helicoils are typically stronger than simply tapped aluminum. Also, helicoils are an industry standard repair procedure for stripped aluminum threads. To give you a little reassurance, typically helicoils give a much stronger thread than straight aluminum threads but this assumes the aluminum does not have a lot of porosity. Helicoils don't just back out though, unless the service tech cross-threaded the drain plug.
Let me know if you have further questions.
Tim
02 TB LTZ
I used to tow with a 98 Astro 4.3, 3:42 axle and this is like night and day in comparison. Not enough power for this trailer and the column shifter was clumsy to use.
Hope this helps
Measuring the distance between the rim and the wheel well on each wheel shows a 1 - 2 inch difference in height and a noticable difference in the angle it sits at while driving.
I DO have the air shocks package and the compressor still fires up like it has since I got the truck.
This problem seems to be intermittant, but increasing in frequency. Has anyone else seen this or talked to a dealer about it?
I love my truck, but I gotta say I am a little tired of taking it in. so far the engine died at 400 miles while going 75 mph on the expressway (took 2 weeks to fix), the rear-end had to be replaced at 2000 miles, the air conditioning died at 3000 miles, and now this.
-DG
Has any one had the same problem and if so any solutions?
Thanks
Thanks,
Boz
Has anyone else had a similar problem.