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Just my thoughts.
is toast, and is replacing it, with a new engine
after only 15 months and 16,100 miles!
I have been reading posts here for over a year,
and don't remember any other failed engines.
They don't know what caused the failure, but the
dealer removed the engine, started tearing it
down, and found so much damage, they quit tearing
it down, and started installing a new engine.
I find this strange, my Trailblazer has had an easy
life: it lives in a heated garage, never towed
anything, or been off-road, I bought it for use in
the snow. And it has enjoyed regular maintenance.
They could have toyed with the testing methods some. It's not an exact science to begin with.
I figure my powercoated ones are less likely to rust than the body panels, so I'm not too concerned.
See my website http://www.trailblazer.homestead.com/
Good luck
Frank
I would wonder what was the produxtion date of your vehicle?
I believe that this was corrected before mine was made in 2/2002.
Came across the following CANADIAN GM site at:
http://media.gm.com/division/canada/english/products/VehiclesEng/e3Envoy.htm
I notice they didn't mention the missing glovebox light or under hood light though...
NEW FOR 2003:
-New optional Vortec 5300 V8 engine producing 290-hp and 330 lb.-ft. of torque on Envoy XL (available this fall)
-Engine's horsepower rating increased from 270 to 275
-New "Luxury Convenience Package" available on SLT models - includes RainSense wipers, travel note digital recorder, and headlamp washers
-Side air bags are now optional
-Child seat safety restraint system: Lower Anchors and top Tethers for Children (LATCH)
-Larger fuel tank capacity on Envoy (increased from 70.8L to 83.3L)
-Roof rack cross bars are optional
-Roof rack side rails are standard equipment
-Polished aluminum wheels, load leveling suspension and Bose sound system are now optional
-On-Off road blackwall tires are now available with load leveling suspension
-The following features are now optional on the base SLE model: cargo shade, overhead console, convenience net, rear view electrochromatic mirror with compass and outside temperature display, OnStar, front high-back reclining bucket seats and adjusters, and deluxe leather-wrapped steering wheel.
-CD/cassette is now available on all models
-New accessories available - includes grille guards, side steps, cargo organizers, and a hood protector/vent visors
-New exterior colours - includes Silver Green, Carbon and Indigo Blue (available on XL)
Ironically, the US Media site doesn't get as detailed and use euphemisms rather than details:
http://media.gm.com/division/2003_prodinfo/03_gmc/03_envoy_envoyxl/new.html
New For 2003
"Increased value" on base SLE models for Envoy and Envoy XL
"Flexible equipment selection" for Envoy and Envoy XL SLE and SLT models
Optional Vortec 5300 5.3L V8, providing Envoy XL with the segment's most powerful V8*
"Flexible lighting control" with new, four-position headlamp switch for daytime running lamps and automatic headlamps
25-gallon fuel tank for Envoy XL; larger, 22-gallon fuel tank for Envoy*
New exterior colors: Carbon Metallic and Silver Green Metallic
*Not available at start of production
I guess removing some of the goodies us early buyers benefit from now falls under "flexible equipment selection" for those who will now have to pay extra for them...
Joel
Frank
Second time while waiting for tow truck, Roadside service said to turn ingition off, wait 20 minutes and try again, it could be trouble with the security system. Sure enough it did. Tow cancelled. Went by Olds the next day and they knew nothing. Supposed to have called factory and they knew nothing.
Today, it stopped again. Roadside called tow truck. Twenty minutes later, as tow drives up, I tried and it started. Had it taken to service department. Tomorrow they will say, "we can find nothing wrong."
Has anyone had similar problems, with Roadside Service saying, "it may be in the security system" there must be others. Would be hell,if we were on a trip and it happened at remote resturant or service station.
I picked my Trailblazer up last night from the dealer,(it was there 8 days). The mechanic said a cylinder sleeve came loose and damaged many parts
in the process, so they put in a new "crate" engine. They looked up the numbers on this engine
and it is a 2002 model, but I don't know when it
was built, hopefully it was a "late" model.
Anyone else have this problem?
Or, I've heard talk that they might actually make the Trailblazer SS, complete with the 6.0 V-8.
I predict that 6.0 will likely never happen with all the racket being stirred up about SUV fuel mileage (or Passenger Trucks as I now prefer to call them).
-mike
Push GM into giving you a component letter on the engine, this will be a no deductable warranty on the engine. It superceeds all other warranties. Call 1-800 222-1020. This is the Chevy customer assistance center. Keep the pressure on them until they give you something to go along with the new engine. You might ask them for a deal on the extended warranty. If you do get the warranty, make sure it is transferrable if you sell the car.
By the way, is there any way to tell if your "crate" engine is a new engine or a repaired engine that was re"crated"? I'll look up my old engine number and post it to see if it ever shows up again. If I'm not mistaken, the engine number should be matched to the vin number. This keeps chop shops on their toes.
Make sure you keep your records in order, you might some day have to show why the engine number doesn't match the vin number.
Frank
I had my Envoy in the shop last Friday, left it overnight, with detailed instructions, Thursday night for them to recreate the problem. They could not recreate it, but did do the reprogram for cold hesitation, etc. I don't have the number in front of me, but I can get it tonight if you would like.
BTW, I have not had it stall/shudder since, but it has only been 4 days.
JAW
U.S. regulators investigate GM SUVs, Ford sedans
Tuesday January 14, 4:48 pm ET
DETROIT, Jan 14 (Reuters) - U.S. auto safety regulators have opened an investigation into 150,000 General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - News) sport utility vehicles after 36 reports of engines stalling without warning.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said the complaints involve 2002 GMC Envoys and 2002 Oldsmobile Bravadas; the Chevrolet TrailBlazer, which shares the same mechanical parts is not under investigation.
NHTSA says the complaints allege the SUVs stalled at speeds up to 75 miles per hour, causing steering and braking to fail. In some cases the engines could not be restarted and the vehicles had to be towed.
The agency also opened an investigation into 480,000 Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable sedans from the 2000 model year after one report of an air bag failing to deploy in a fatal crash. The driver was wearing a seat belt, but suffered fatal head injuries when he lost control of his Taurus and rammed a concrete bridge rail, NHTSA said.
Frank
Let me know when you guys get this fixed. I'll be back then. I can't handle this.
later, tblazed Ed
Surges and electrical noise on the data bus seem to be the likely glitch that would cause the computers to hiccup and cause the engine to stall or create a near-stall condition. But who knows??? GM??? Hello, are you out there???
I really want to keep my Envoy (assuming I get it back in working condition after their 4th attempt to fix this problem). But my confidence level in my truck has fallen considerably and I'll probably trade it in (or initiate a buyback) real soon.
Macman, I am not sure that the recalibration fixed the issue. This morning, right as I was stepping on the gas, the engine RPM's seemed to drop and there was a hesitation, so I am still in the same boat as you trying to get this fixed. Looks like it will take at least three tries on mine.
BTW, does your vehicle on seem to do this when cold (engine temp below the first major tick on the temp gauge)?
JAW.
The stalling/near-stalling seems to occur within the first mile driven when cold. That is pretty consistent. However I have had it stall/near-stall when fully warmed up too. It does not seem to matter if I have the climate control and/or heated seats on or off either. The only reason why I keep mentioning the air suspension is because when I have near-stalls the rear is being inflated just after the idle recovers.
On occasion I have noticed a major hesitation/drop in RPM's when stomping on the gas. If I take it easy on the gas it seems to accelerate fine.
I went ahead and filed a complaint this morning with the NHTSA to put my $.02 in. I've also contacted a lemon law attorney who will evaluate all of my repair orders this week. I didn't want to go down this path, but it looks like that's where I have to go to alleviate my safety and financial concerns.
I've noticed the same thing with my TB. I've had several RPM drops, but only 1 stall in 40k miles.
I wonder if the new engine calibration for the MY2003 triplets cured the problem that some of us with MY2002s are having.
tidester, host
Why not set it at 100% and make the font size look good at 100%, like every other site out there?
This is a lot like Spinal Tap...
"Why not just make 10 louder and have it go to 10?"
"{pause} These go to 11"