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"Inaccurate ambient temperature on display.
Some late-model Ford SUVs and luxury cars (full list below) may produce inaccurate ambient temperature displays under certain weather conditions and low-to-medium driving speeds. For instance, the display may read too low or update slowly when the vehicle is parked in a cool garage, then driven out on a warm day in stop-and-go traffic. The error may also occur when the vehicle is restarted while the engine coolant is still warm and the outside temperature has increased, again while driving in stop-and-go traffic.
The fix is to reprogram the EATC module. This corrects the outside temperature display by increasing the frequency of the sampling taken by the front ambient sensor. Here's how to go about it:
Connect a New Generation Star Tester or its equivalent to the vehicle. Using FSF card Version 6.3, select SERVICE BAY FUNCT1ONS. Next, select EATC ELECT AUTO TEMP CNTRL MODULE. Now, select MODULE CONFIGURATION. Next, select one of the following: 99 Continental, 99 Expedition, 00 Lincoln LS, 99-00 Navigator, 99 Town Car, 00 Town Car. At this point, the NGS Tester automatically finishes the software change. You'll receive a positive or negative response. If the EATC module matches the criteria on the FSF card, the NGS Tester will change the necessary data and display a positive response.
If the EATC module has already been updated or does not meet the criteria on the FSF card, the NGS Tester will state that the change is not needed and will not reprogram the module.
The problem occurs in some 1999-2000 Expeditions, Navigators and Town Cars built through 8/31/99 and some 1999-2000 Continentals and 2000 LS models built through 10/15/99."
It's not something you can do yourself (unless you have the NGS scanner)...I posted it because I seem to remember folks complaining about erroneous readings to their dealer and getting the typical "duhhh...that's the way it is" response...now you have something to give them so they can do the fix.
We all have V8s; Ray has an '00, mine's an '01 Sport, and Andy just took delivery of his '02 Sport. We wondered if it's the first time for an owner gathering representing all three model years (outside the confines of Wixom, of course.) Ray had his digital camera, so the photographic evidence will be online when Ray gets home. If you get a chance to touch base with other owners, I highly recommend it; only the best people buy LSs! Hehheh...
(Note: We noticed that the '02 doesn't have the "LS" logo on the front fender rub strip; that's the visual clue to spotting an '02 Sport. The non-Sport '02s are easy because they have the new wheels.)
Brian
We've got to do this again and spend more time comparing notes and the 0-60 match race.
Ray
Gadzooks, that gets the weekend off to a bad start!
Thanks for taking the photos--Andy'll forward them to me. Next time you're in town, I'll be ready for the "exhibition of acceleration" test--purely for scientific purposes, of course.
(Note: My Email addy is in my Edmunds' profile; just click on "johnnylinc" when logged in.)
Swauger Re: Blinded. I've never seen a top-enhanced LS in the flesh, but I've seen Mark 7s AND Mark 8s with carriage tops; talk about stomach-churners. Why do people do that to LSs? It's like adding a nose ring and lip studs to the Mona Lisa...
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10179
One is at Magic Lincoln-Mercury in Valencia, the other is at Alvarez Lincoln-Mercury in Riverside. Tell them the Lincoln LS Owners Club (LLSOC) sent you.
Brian
My heartiest congrats on the new addition to your family. May you derive as much parental pleasure and pride as I have from my daughter (turned 21 on 9/08-the build date of my LS. Both of them make me smile).
$1.50?! Yikes! Colorado has some of the highest gas prices in the country, but 91 octane just dropped below $1.40 here.
A year later with 25.5.K miles on ,I returned form Austin late last night. ( just a couple of chips in the bumper cover John) I drove down (200 miles in 2:10) and averaged 19.2 mpg. In 31 years of travel with my wife, this is the first car we've ever argued over as to who drives. She drove back in 3:15 with bumper to bumper for the first 25 miles and averaged 26.5 mpg. I'll gladly give up the 6 mpg difference for my "spirited driving" but it shows this car has many personalities and can be economical and aggressive all in the same package.
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With the info found here and a responsive dealer(Heiser LM,Milwaukee,WI)all was made livable save the whine coming from the cam chains. It was bad. I saw posts from and about Jim Rodgers. After a polite but no help trip through Lincoln CRC, I Emailed Jim Rodgers in late summer. Jim teamed with Jenna Young and Anne Belec and we worked with the dealer and FoMoCo engineers. Within weeks, Jim offered up a replacement vehicle, the timing of which got extended because of MY end lack of inventory and the production slowdown in August at Wixom (I wanted an identical vehicle, dealer ordered MY02 and got the Audiophile upgrade N/C to boot).
Jim Rodgers is a stand up guy for the customer. I hope he continues to have a strong say in the development of PAG vehicles and customer relations, because frankly the success of FoMoCo in the next 10-15 years IMHO depends largely on the success of PAG.
The MYO2 build quality is several notches above the MY01. C Pillars are near perfect, for example, no doubt in part because of folks on this board. I am a great believer in the LS as a driver's car and it is a content/price leader in the RWD sports sedan segment.
A question for you: The '02 has the improved airbox but, unlike the V6, the V8 horsepower rating has remained the same as '00-'01. I'm very curious if there's a noticeable difference in engine performance, so once the new engine is broken in, would you post back and give us your thoughts on that?
And, yeah, every magazine article I've read about the LS since it's introduction has praised the availability of the manual trans, but nobody has driven one yet!?
Tom
Compared to MY01, transmission does seem to shift in/out of gear (D-N-R) more quickly/positively. And while driving and still in its "adaptive" mode, sure snaps off the shifts. Haven't gone WOT, but with a fair amount of throttle tip in, holds the lower gears longer and really shifts with authority. I'm trying to "teach" it that this is not a Town Car.
I like the way this car looks & the 1st 100 comments I read has helped to want to purchase the vehicle. I'm going to print the 5721 messages here & study them a little more. Any advice would be greatly appreciated & may "GOD BLESS AMERICA".
As we've all been told ad nauseum, the California economy is bigger than all but X% of the world's countries. . .and they have 2 (count 'em, two) manuals on the lots. This from Brian, who has more and better data than any of us mere mortals.
With Stan and a few others, I mourn the devaluation of the "hot rod Lincoln" with the stick shift. When I bought into the LS concept two years ago, it was because they had the manual with RWD and seemed committed to it. Well, they still have it, but. . .
During Mania2 the Lincoln people, especially Jonathan, used the term "Lincoln DNA", meaning the brand identity or personality, those styling and engineering characteristics that identify the marque and make it unique. The LS is at the forefront of this effort to establish the Lincoln DNA, but it's a work in progress. They're well aware that public perception of the Lincoln brand is a major obstacle to overcome.
Maybe some serious promotion of the manual LS would help to open people's eyes.
1) none in dealer-ships for test driving.
2) somewhat poor low-end grunt providing a less than thrilling test drive.
This produces a chicken and egg syndrome. People test drive a manual and find it lacking (several present/former SHO owners have made such complaints here on this forum) so the manual does not sell quickly and therefore the dealers don't carry it. A manual needs an engine tuned for a manual not an automatic, and there in lies the problem.
It seems the only people who know about the V6 manual are the folks that will ONLY buy a manual anyway, regardless of brand. If you're shopping for a manual transmission, 4-door sedan, there simply aren't that many. The people that do shop for a manual, first scour the automotive press to find the vehicle(s) that suit their needs.
Folks versed in manual transmission operation are definitely in the minority of the overall driving population in the US. An even smaller sub-set make up the enthusiast market that ONLY drive manual transmission vehicles. If Lincoln wants to make in-roads with this community, they simply must chase these people through more effective marketing. Funny, you hardly ever see a BMW TV commercial showing off the manual transmissions, yet any enthusiast knows they have 'em. Why not so with Lincoln? Scott hits the nail on the head when he points out that Lincoln has some serious image concerns to overcome.
Lincoln, if they are to be successful in redefining themselves, must do a far better job of promoting the LS as an enthusiast vehicle, complete with a Manual and/or Select Shift Transmission. In the Lincoln line-up, the LS is a VERY different car from the rest, although the average person is completely unaware of this fact. To most, Lincoln is still known for the Town Car and Continental. Lots of folks are confounded by the presence of the Navigator in the line-up . . . it's big like a Lincoln, but it's a truck (one that I, however, personally like). I think most people are just plain confused with what Lincoln is trying to do in the market, and the LS just isn't promoted in a way that distinguishes itself in any particular way. I'll bet lot's of people just think of it as a "small Town Car". You can't necessarily fault them for it, I suppose it's a natural assumption. If Lincoln wants a younger audience, and particularly attract the enthusiast, they need to do a better job at educating the masses.
I'm only repeating what I've learned here, confident someone will jump in & correct me if I've missed something or left it unclear.
You're exactly correct.
The transmission software "learns" the differences from your transmission to the programmed "ideal" transmission. It then adjust pressures to get each individual transmission to shift at the ideal pressure to create what the engineers wanted for the ideal shift.
Different drivers will not affect the adaptive. All that will happen is a conservative driver will adapt one area of function while an aggressive driver will adapt another portion of the tables. They work together, not against each other.
Mark
Just curious - have you seen the new Mercedes 6-speed automatic? Wondering how that technology differs from the current 5-speeds (LS and other makes)? Generally speaking, of course (if you're allowed to comment at all - if not we understand). Between this and the Audi CVT it appears we're leaping into new technological territory.
George
I know that when I looked under my car, all that I could think of was Winston Cup and the technology that is developed at the track and merged into production of cars and trucks.
When I drive it, I think the same thing, from Watkins Glen to Napa Valley, and the occasional Daytona, depending on where I am driving -- either the twisties or the long straights.
Now that Dodge has come back to Winston Cup and the winner's circle, maybe Lincoln should get on the board. Heck, it would be the only rear-wheel drive stock car that works the same as the factory version of drive axle (at the top level of Nascar racing, that is).
As brand-loyal as race fans are, sales would definitely tip in the right direction, especially when folks find out just how affordable these fine cars are.
I want to try and get the local LS gang together and drive a few laps at Texas Motor Speedway which is the next best thing to being in a Winston Cup car. Place an Edelbrock or MOOG decal on your front fender and pretend.
Just wanted to let you know I was thinking about doing Solo 2 next year. Its over for this year. Maybe we can try it out next year! Have an LS Contingency in Dallas! By the way how much is lap time at the speedway?
Regards,
Airwolf
Brian
Ray
Nosho, thanks for the 411 on the v-6 manual. I'm currently driving a '93 SHO manual with 170k and is still like a rocket out of the gate. I'll sell this car when I either buy the LS or 300M Special.
Also, How do you open up the airbox? I took the assembly appart and couldn't figure heads or tails on opening it up any more than it is, do you have a trick???
What performance stuff does the best? I have already installed a K&N drop-in filter I'm thinking of getting a Mass AF Sensor but, don't know if its worth it. Would like to here any comments from you that have purchased it already.
On a wheel/tire point that I read up on earlier messages; I installed 18" rims w/245-40ZR tires on it and love'em; now my car will out handle practicully any car on the road except Corvettes and Porsches. That truely is my best bang-4-buck upgrade.
By the way, in age demographics; I'm only 21 yrs old and love this car as much as everyone on this site. Thank you Lincoln for this Euro challengeing
Vehical. Kudos!!
P.S. Change out those wimpy 5x7 speakers for 6x8's
you'll enjoy the quality time in your LS alot more. Just my 2 cents worth LOL!
Mike
I honestly don't know if a MAFS change out helps or not. Until you do the exhaust and airbox mods, it definitely won't be worth it. You may get more bang for your buck by putting a couple of 2-3 inch holes in the front of your airbox and replacing the stock zip tube with 3 inch PVC pipe to flow more air into the engine.
I'd love to see Lincoln provide some support for the LS in a sedan series, or Trans Am, or IMSA. (Yep, they're bringing the "IMSA" name back next year in place of PCS.) Jaguar, Qvalle (now sold; the new Mangusta's dead), and Panoz were all represented in Trans Am this year; it would be neat to see Lincoln in that mix.
A few years back, then-team owner Michael Kranefuss actually built a Mark 8 Winston Cup car, but Ford told him to stop development. A request for NASCAR approval of a particular car has to come from the manufacturer, and Ford refused to pursue it.
In case anyone's interested, here's a link to a photo of & article about the Mark 8 stocker; wouldn't that have been a hoot? Kranefuss even kept the hump on the trunk.
http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/nascar.htm
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that Ford / PAG has yet realized that to have Lincoln appeal to younger buyers and compete more directly with BMW, Audi and the likes it too needs a racing & performance image. Lincoln decals have appeared on the Rob Dyson Racing, Ford powered sports prototype race cars in 2001 but so far no one from Lincoln has publicly acknowledged the Lincoln decals on the cars. This makes me think that the Lincoln decals on the Dyson Cars are 1. There to give heartburn to the Cadillac sports racing teams. 2. An unofficial back door Lincoln support effort. 3. That Lincoln marketing is confused and has no idea what it is doing.
Being a life long sports car / road racing fan it is my hope that since Jaguar gets F1, and the beer belly customers (NASCAR, Drag, off-road) get the Ford label, that Lincon will get to use sports car racing to build a youth & performance image. Then again with Ford's current financial crisis and Lincoln's 3 way split personality (Is a Lincoln a truck, is a Lincoln still a rolling living room or is a Lincon a fun to drive performance sports sedan?) I'm not counting on anything.
You can hear all that come together at between 3500 and 4000 rpm. I think the Magnaflow was louder inside the car than outside the car. Definitely not polite. I think Alex Borla did a great job on tuning this application because it is almost transparent at cruise rpm. As a result, you are just one downshift on the freeway from being noticed and nasty. The Borla has a nice "burble" at idle as well, more in character with the performance of the car. Just my opinion as a 53 year old gearhead having his 2nd teenagehood.
go to the last two paragraphs of this linked article:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4380&sid=175&n=156